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June 15, 2017, 08:51:03 PM |
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Hey guys,
I'm staking about 3-4 coins on my main PC right now and they eat up about 4-5GB ram (win7 x64 OS) and every time I restart/crash it's annoying to load unlock all wallets again, or copy old backup blockchain in case of pivx (database corrupts with every crash) also I'm thinking to add new staking coins, so I'd need some kind of a quiet home server. Building it from new parts seems to be quite expensive, small ITX cases, new mobo, cpu, ram, it can go up to 500$ very easily and it doesn't even have storage. I'm not sure if normal HDDs can handle multiple staking wallets, right now I'm on a 500GB SSD (this handles anything easily). Share if you know any good used older model home servers, like dell optiplex models, they are not really servers but I used a few of them and they are quite reliable. I'm not sure if ECC ram and xeon cpu is really needed for 24/7 staking, I don't think it's a must, any i5 cpu should be fine about 8gb of ram. Hit me up with some suggestions. Thanks
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June 15, 2017, 10:09:39 PM |
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Forget servers, buy a used laptop instead. That way you have a built in UPS in the form of the battery for uninterrupted staking. For staking HDD is fine, but with a bunch of wallets you might want an SSD. Just a qucik example: Refurbished HP Laptop EliteBook 2560P Intel Core i7 2nd Gen 2620M (2.70 GHz) 16 GB Memory 256 GB SSD Intel HD Graphics 3000 12.5" Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit - $381 on newegg ( link). At least this is what I would do if I didn't have a UPS already. |
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June 15, 2017, 10:33:05 PM |
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Forget servers, buy a used laptop instead. That way you have a built in UPS in the form of the battery for uninterrupted staking. For staking HDD is fine, but with a bunch of wallets you might want an SSD. Just a qucik example: Refurbished HP Laptop EliteBook 2560P Intel Core i7 2nd Gen 2620M (2.70 GHz) 16 GB Memory 256 GB SSD Intel HD Graphics 3000 12.5" Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit - $381 on newegg ( link). At least this is what I would do if I didn't have a UPS already. Who would buy that trash? Walmarts got Skylake i5 (8gb) and i7 (12gb) laptops on clearance for $200-300. Even lower end ones for $79. |
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June 15, 2017, 10:34:53 PM |
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Forget servers, buy a used laptop instead. That way you have a built in UPS in the form of the battery for uninterrupted staking. For staking HDD is fine, but with a bunch of wallets you might want an SSD. Just a qucik example: Refurbished HP Laptop EliteBook 2560P Intel Core i7 2nd Gen 2620M (2.70 GHz) 16 GB Memory 256 GB SSD Intel HD Graphics 3000 12.5" Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit - $381 on newegg ( link). At least this is what I would do if I didn't have a UPS already. Who would buy that trash? Walmarts got Skylake i5 (8gb) and i7 (12gb) laptops on clearance for $200-300. Even lower end ones for $79. I'm not familiar with laptop prices, it was just a quick search. Regardless, you reinforced my point. |
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pwpwpw (OP)
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June 15, 2017, 11:01:24 PM |
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Forget servers, buy a used laptop instead. That way you have a built in UPS in the form of the battery for uninterrupted staking. For staking HDD is fine, but with a bunch of wallets you might want an SSD. Just a qucik example: Refurbished HP Laptop EliteBook 2560P Intel Core i7 2nd Gen 2620M (2.70 GHz) 16 GB Memory 256 GB SSD Intel HD Graphics 3000 12.5" Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit - $381 on newegg ( link). At least this is what I would do if I didn't have a UPS already. I do have an older Dell laptop, https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834295366&cm_re=dell_e6410-_-34-295-366-_-Product something like this but without SSD. My problem with laptops are, their cooling generally is shit, I don't know how long they can go 24/7 with that cooling, especially when it all gets hot, cpu warms up hdd, and it all gets damaged faster than a normal PC, even the power adapter of a laptop is insanely hot, like an 1A phone charger charging at 1A full power, after an hour tops it's close to melting. Also UPS doesn't really matter because if the power goes out, my router goes off too so net dies anyway, it's ok for very short power outages I give you that. Do you use a laptop 24/7 for this task and you say it can handle it? I was thinking something like a tower server but they all have quadros which is useless to me. If it were a new machine, would build something with small form factor, micro atx, big cpu heatsink and massive 200mm cooler on top so it would be cool and quiet, but buying this from new parts is really expensive, a decent cpu cooler is above 50$, same for case. Btw, I can't buy from USA, I'm in EU. |
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June 15, 2017, 11:19:26 PM |
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Staking isn't demanding at all. Other than using a lot of memory it's just a bit of CPU usage and some HDD read/write here and there - unless a wallet is awfully buggy.
It's light use like browsing facebook so any laptop should handle it 0-24. They shouldn't even get hot. I mean people are using Raspberry Pi's to stake and they can handle it.
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June 15, 2017, 11:25:48 PM |
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I just checked the used/second hand laptops here, they are basically the same as I have E6410 (1st gen i5)with more or less ram/ssd, for about 450$ you can get a 3rd gen i5 with 250ssd and that is quite expensive for such old hardware so if you think a laptop can handle it, will put an SSD in mine and get 4gb more ram. I'm not used to linux but you think it's better than using win7? (not gonna go for win10) if so, what distro you recommend for such simple task ? Currently I'm thinking to use it for about 4-5 normal wallet staking and 2-3 masternode hosting.
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I just checked the used/second hand laptops here, they are basically the same as I have E6410 (1st gen i5)with more or less ram/ssd, for about 450$ you can get a 3rd gen i5 with 250ssd and that is quite expensive for such old hardware so if you think a laptop can handle it, will put an SSD in mine and get 4gb more ram. I'm not used to linux but you think it's better than using win7? (not gonna go for win10) if so, what distro you recommend for such simple task ? Currently I'm thinking to use it for about 4-5 normal wallet staking and 2-3 masternode hosting.
I use win7x64 on all my machines. If you get an SSD you should increase the pagefile so in case you don't have enough ram it swaps it to the otherwise fast SSD. And of course always have backups that are not on your laptop just in case. |
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Hey new user here and very new to mining. I am however familiar with networking and servers as it is my major. I am not sure if this is the type of solution you are looking for, but you can buy slightly older gen servers off of Amazon between 200-300 depending on the specs. I bought a gen6 HP Proliant for about $250 a few months back. (nothing to do with mining). Anyway for the price It had 2 quad core cpus, 32gb Ram and 4 164gb SAS drives. Nearly everything is hotswapable and the hardware is designed to be in constant use. Another advantage is it also came with 2 Psu that instantly take over if one fails. What I do while I am learning how mining works and testing it out; is I will have it connected to PSW inverter for a few hours then just plug the second Psu in when I hear the low battery warning and switch back to grid power. This lets me switch back and forth with out ever having any downtime. Anyway I thought I would share my experience, because for about half the price you mentioned in your op, you can buy one of these that seems like it meets the RAM and storage specs you want along with some bonus features.
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thedue
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July 03, 2017, 07:39:47 PM |
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Would you mind telling us the coins that you are staking right now / planning to stake?   |
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July 03, 2017, 08:36:02 PM |
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Forget servers, buy a used laptop instead. That way you have a built in UPS in the form of the battery for uninterrupted staking. For staking HDD is fine, but with a bunch of wallets you might want an SSD. Just a qucik example: Refurbished HP Laptop EliteBook 2560P Intel Core i7 2nd Gen 2620M (2.70 GHz) 16 GB Memory 256 GB SSD Intel HD Graphics 3000 12.5" Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit - $381 on newegg ( link). At least this is what I would do if I didn't have a UPS already. Who would buy that trash? Walmarts got Skylake i5 (8gb) and i7 (12gb) laptops on clearance for $200-300. Even lower end ones for $79. I'm not familiar with laptop prices, it was just a quick search. Regardless, you reinforced my point. This exactly what I did and it's worked great. Got a grade B refurb from newegg for ~$150 and added some memory for another $50, even though it didn't seem to really need it. I have staking wallets running 24/7 for about three weeks now with no issues so far. It stays cool just fine while staking, only heats up when I unplug it to check on it or update/download new wallets. |
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July 03, 2017, 10:24:22 PM |
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Would you mind telling us the coins that you are staking right now / planning to stake? Would like to know this too...looks like it must be CPU mining? |
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July 04, 2017, 05:48:16 AM |
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It is CPU mining, (litecoins) runs about 40k hash. Again not what I bought the sever for, I am just using it to experminet with how mining works. I also have it hooked up to a kilowatt meter to see how much power I draw at the end of a months time (again very new to mining), with using the inverter battery bank to supplement the power. This info I will in turn use to help me decide whether or not to buy an ASIC. Like I know the wattage on my inverter can handle most ASICs out there. The thing I need to determine is how much of the time could I run it from a solar charged batteries. Essentially it is an experiment to see how much of my existing equipment I can leverage ( solar batteries, etc )for a real mining setup and if it would be feasible.
Anyway I am going a little off topic, but in reference to the OP's question. I just felt like one of these machines had the hardware specs they were looking for at a much lower price point than $500. Plus server grade hardware such as the ECC memory coupled with the ability to hot swap many components should mitigate the need for reboots, as mentioned also. I don't know exactly what is causing the OP's system to crash so I can't comment on that aspect, not having tried staking yet myself ( though I would like to). Just thought I would try and help out is all.
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thedue
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July 04, 2017, 08:44:40 AM |
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Well.. my question was going to pwpwpw |
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July 05, 2017, 04:40:51 AM |
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This is actually very similar to what I was suggesting, a bit beefier. I would agree though that something like this would have all the horsepower you will probably need for those tasks. |
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July 13, 2017, 03:21:49 PM |
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This is actually very similar to what I was suggesting, a bit beefier. I would agree though that something like this would have all the horsepower you will probably need for those tasks. Yep I got 2 of those, running all the STaking/wallets etc off them. real secure once you install Vmware virtualization (free) on top of windows 10 pro $15 |
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July 13, 2017, 04:10:51 PM |
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Would it be wise/doable to get a few wallets staking on a Qnap Nas?
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July 13, 2017, 04:38:49 PM |
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Way overkill and likely very loud. I have rigs running with up to 8 wallets with only 4GB ram, lots of pagefile and a dualcore Pentium without issues. |
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July 13, 2017, 09:17:23 PM |
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This is actually very similar to what I was suggesting, a bit beefier. I would agree though that something like this would have all the horsepower you will probably need for those tasks. Yep I got 2 of those, running all the STaking/wallets etc off them. real secure once you install Vmware virtualization (free) on top of windows 10 pro $15 How is the noise generated from there? |
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