Finsbury Park attack:one dead in 'potential terrorist attack' near London mosque

[audaciousbeing]

A van has driven into a crowd of worshippers after they left a mosque in north London, killing one man and injuring eight other people in what police described as a “major incident”.

TheGuardian is updating their site with news every a few minutes: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/live/2017/jun/19/north-london-van-incident-finsbury-park-casualties-collides-pedestrians-live-updates

This is a terrorist attack and not any major incident in other to coin the event and sugar coat what's going on. This issue is really getting to a head and it seems London is just vulnerable where attacks happen on regular basis. The leaders there just needs to do  more in securing the lives and properties of its citizenry and extreme situations like this demands extreme measures that should be taken by the government and of course with the support of the citizens.

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[Sithara007]

Automatic deportation for immigrants found having links with terror groups. For naturalized dual-citizens, revoke citizenship and deport them to their other country. For mono-citizens, look them up without bail or parole.

This may happen in China or Thailand, but definitely not in the Western nations. The spread of political correctness and the proliferation of human rights organizations have made it impossible even to deport the illegal immigrants who have committed violent crimes. If you think that I am over-hyping about the situation, then you can check this link:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3702337/We-t-deport-Somali-rapist-preyed-children-Illegal-immigrant-kicked-three-years-ago-allowed-stay-officials-said-war-torn-country-unsafe.html

[popcorn1]

This world is so insane, Truck of Peace hits even Muslims now. No excuses though, Muslim, Christian or whatever, you drive that truck, you should die too.

People are hitting back. Muslims think they're going to keep attacking people with no response. That could have worked when they were living in their third world countries and coming to Europe just to blow themselves up, but now their families are here and can be targeted. Unfortunately terrorism is not the best way of fighting these fanatics, we should be better than this and fight them openly by deporting them and banning their extremism.

Automatic deportation for immigrants found having links with terror groups. For naturalized dual-citizens, revoke citizenship and deport them to their other country. For mono-citizens, look them up without bail or parole.

Automatic deportation for immigrants found having links with terror groups..

Yes deport him back he was an immigrant he was welsh ..
Well he done it in London..
So yes deport him ..

[bryant.coleman]

Islam is a political ideology and a legal framework on how to run the Islamic Empire/Caliphate.

You can agree with it or disagree with it.  It does not change the fact what Islam is.

Have to agree with you completely. The version of Islam propagated by the Islamic State (ISIS) is the purest form of Islam, as evident from the study of Quranic verses and Hadiths. Their actions and punishments are 100% compatible with the Quranic verses and they impose a strict form of Sharia law. Most of the other Islamic nations impose a modified version of the Sharia.

[GreenBits]

Why is it every time someone would cite statistics on Islam, y'all always choose some bigoted, biased ass site to cite as 'facts', yet will completely ignore  academic studies by universities, or commissioned reports by the fucking government? Fake new my Black ass, you guys refuse to see the truth. It is not for me to judge you. Your reward will come at the end if your days

Hand raised for everyone in this thread that actually knows a Muslim person, not someone you pass on the fucking street, but a friend, a coworker. Go say all this stupid shit to their face get put on Facebook looking like a goddamned fool, so you can lose your job.

Y'all sound like bigoted assholes. Fucking people died. Stop being a fucking racist people, and have some fodsames compassion for your fellow fucking humans.

Christians my motherfucking ass 

[merchantofzeny]

This world is so insane, Truck of Peace hits even Muslims now. No excuses though, Muslim, Christian or whatever, you drive that truck, you should die too.

People are hitting back. Muslims think they're going to keep attacking people with no response. That could have worked when they were living in their third world countries and coming to Europe just to blow themselves up, but now their families are here and can be targeted. Unfortunately terrorism is not the best way of fighting these fanatics, we should be better than this and fight them openly by deporting them and banning their extremism.

Automatic deportation for immigrants found having links with terror groups. For naturalized dual-citizens, revoke citizenship and deport them to their other country. For mono-citizens, look them up without bail or parole.

Automatic deportation for immigrants found having links with terror groups..

Yes deport him back he was an immigrant he was welsh ..
Well he done it in London..
So yes deport him ..

I did say mono-citizens, sir. This dude should be serving life sentence without parole. Heck, I would prefer solitary confinement for life for these sort of people but that probably won't happen in a European country. Apparently that's human rights violation...

[Iranus]

Lol the logic:

All Western countries are destroying entire ME countries, killing dozens of thousands of innocents civilians, few terrorists kill maybe 200 Europeans -> They are monsters shame on them kill all Muslims

A guy decides to kill 10 Muslims without any reason -> Yeah but the Muslims saw that coming those bastards


THE LOGIC

You see I doubt that those kids in Manchester or those tourists in London bombed or killed anyone. Also doubt that this guy in the van looked at his actions in a wider perspective. I guess his logic was that muslims who living between us can go rabid any time and kill our loved ones, so we should take preventive measures. Perhaps he kept watching the Walking Dead too long.
BTW sooner or later we'll have to kill them all otherwise they will kill us, while cooking their rice on fires made out of paintings of van Gogh and Rembrandt. The only good thing will be that they will clean out the multikulti leftist-liberal scum from Europe as well .

ISIS didn't exist until various countries decided to use the Middle East for their war games, killing thousands of innocent civilians.  Given no other choice because they're being screwed over by the West, some people turn to extremism.  What happens after that is that the violence starts escalating because each group starts condoning terrorist attacks from their side.

>Muslim person commits terrorist attack

"They're horrible terrorists!"

>Non-muslim person commits terrorist attack

"Serves those bloody [innocent] Muslims right!"

Some people's reasoning is seriously baffling.

Learn your Islamic history before you speak on the subject.

https://www.politicalislam.com/tears-of-jihad/

As someone correctly points out in the comments section of the article:

Hmm, 270 million “killed by jihad” (let’s close our ears and pretend it had nothing to do with the political and ethno-cultural tensions in any of the regions) and still less than the amount killed by the Catholic church, the Soviets and many political leaders, OTHER than Muhammad. Yet, no one mentions those statistics. And what about all the non-Christians killed in the “Christianizing” missions of Europeans? Were those the Crusades redux? By the same logic, then the British and French empires “Crusaders” as felt the “White Man’s Burden” in needing to modernize the ignorant Brown and Black men.

This website is a joke and a thinly-veiled Islamophobic rant (Christians were “martyred”, while other religionists were “killed”?). Good thing intellectuals and academics don’t listen to this kind of hogwash. You all can live in your closed little world thinking that you are important or that anyone really pays attention to your stupidity.

Currently, dramatically Muslims are being killed by terrorism in the Middle East than Christians, because ISIS and other terrorist groups hate anyone which doesn't agree with their mindset.

Your victimisation complex and your support of terrorism from non-Muslims is insane.  You have crazy confirmation biases and no self-awareness.

Are you sure?  "Their mindset?"  

ISIS is an Islamic State.  They are the true Muslims.  Please do not refer to them as a "mindset".  They follow the Quran and the Hadiths.

Just because you developed your own version of Islam by skipping the troublesome Quran verses does not mean others have to.

They kill all non-believers.  That includes those who oppose their Islamic State, it does not matter that the victims profess that they are 'Muslims'.  If you are against a global Caliphate, you are the enemy.  It does not matter what religion you think you follow.

Just because you developed your own version of Islam by skipping the peaceful Qur'an verses does not mean others have to.

As with the Bible (both religions are bullshit if you ask me), there are many direct contradictions in different sections of the Qur'an.  Some argue for peace and some don't - the difference is that you're assuming that Muslims who look at one side of the Qur'an are "true" Muslims, while those who look at the other side of the Qur'an are not.

By cherry picking information in this way, you are supporting terrorists by implying that all other Muslims should join them, and therefore implying that all Christians should become terrorists too in opposition to this.  

There are people on this thread literally calling for genocide ("we need to kill them all"), and that's not troubling for you?

[GreenBits]

Sounds like you are projecting your biases on others.  Slow down on your Black Power BS.
We are talking about ideas, not race.

No matter what you think of others, it does not change the fact that Islam is a mother lode of really bad ideas.

BTW, I studied the Bible, read Talmud and the Quran/Hadiths.  All three are the most vile books ever written.  Anybody who tells you otherwise either did not read them or is simply lying.

Any ideology/religion that says "us vs them" is fundamentally wrong.  It can and will be used to teach hate.

Well, I have studied the texts of the Abrahamics as well, as I have studied the Key of Solomon, the Necromnicon. I have read translated codexs.  I plainly disagree, they are all beautiful texts (the Abrahamics) that provide a framework for peace and compassion. Our father Abraham made sure of this. This is why his name is attributed to those works. Although this may mean little to you, it means a lot to me, and our difference of opinion is fine. It's what makes all this shit so beautiful, the fact that you and I are such different things in the same world.

All ideologies, at their most extreme end of scale, engender an 'us vs them' attitude. It ties to esotericism, but you must reveal this truth to yourself. Hence esoteric

You are a nationalist, yes? Is this school of ideology not the literal definition of 'us vs them'? Do you feel that your views and opinions influences by said ideology are 'fundamentally wrong'?

Provide a text that you believe is 'not vile'. Genuinely curious

You are talking about race, not ideas. Be plain sir. We have had fellow humans perish for things that they had no say in, if that injustice doesn't strike you as a travesty, maybe you should reconsider your definition of vile.

This is not an ad hominem.

[GreenBits]

Sounds like you are projecting your biases on others.  Slow down on your Black Power BS.
We are talking about ideas, not race.

No matter what you think of others, it does not change the fact that Islam is a mother lode of really bad ideas.

BTW, I studied the Bible, read Talmud and the Quran/Hadiths.  All three are the most vile books ever written.  Anybody who tells you otherwise either did not read them or is simply lying.

Any ideology/religion that says "us vs them" is fundamentally wrong.  It can and will be used to teach hate.

Well, I have studied the texts of the Abrahamics as well, as I have studied the Key of Solomon, the Necromnicon. I have read translated codexs.  I plainly disagree, they are all beautiful texts (the Abrahamics) that provide a framework for peace and compassion. Our father Abraham made sure of this. This is why his name is attributed to those works. Although this may mean little to you, it means a lot to me, and our difference of opinion is fine. It's what makes all this shit so beautiful, the fact that you and I are such different things in the same world.

All ideologies, at their most extreme end of scale, engender an 'us vs them' attitude. It ties to esotericism, but you must reveal this truth to yourself. Hence esoteric

You are a nationalist, yes? Is this school of ideology not the literal definition of 'us vs them'? Do you feel that your views and opinions influences by said ideology are 'fundamentally wrong'?

Provide a text that you believe is 'not vile'. Genuinely curious

You are talking about race, not ideas. Be plain sir. We have had fellow humans perish for things that they had no say in, if that injustice doesn't strike you as a travesty, maybe you should reconsider your definition of vile.

This is not an ad hominem.

You want religion.  Try Jainism.  

If you think those books are not vile, your moral compass is screwed up.

Here is a thread on Bible I started a while ago:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1367154

Chopping people's heads, hands, boiling children, slavery is vile IMHO.

Anyway, it best is to stay away from the religious nonsense.  It is nonsense no matter how loud you scream that is not.

Humanism, secular thought, science is the only way forward for humanity.  

It is a historical record and a moral/ethical rubric with ritualistic observations of a higher power. I cannot apologize for the actions of those before me, as I had no input. History is indeed fucked up. And when I wake up every day and read the news, I see we may be due to repeat our mistakes. We apparently don't learn. That why you and I are talking right now

Man is nothing without faith. You may have replaced my God with your Science, but we both need to understand that there is something greater than ourselves, lest our life have little meaning. The life of a bug has little meaning.

Are you a bug, afnewbie? (Can't underscore, on a phone, don't know how at least LOL)

Rational thought and faith are not mutually exclusive man. There is room in my world for you. Invite me to yours.

And I'm not a Luddite, I believe in technology/medicine. But I believe in a higher power. We are obviously created things.

Edit: used to ride the bus with a Jain and a Sikh. The Jain was a cute chick that was a grade above me, the Sikh a side a grade below me. Both cool as shit. I like meat a bit too much for Jainism, and I don't completely believe in overt pacifism. Never talked to Ramen about his faith, can't contribute.

[Iranus]

Sounds like you are projecting your biases on others.  Slow down on your Black Power BS.
We are talking about ideas, not race.

No matter what you think of others, it does not change the fact that Islam is a mother lode of really bad ideas.

BTW, I studied the Bible, read Talmud and the Quran/Hadiths.  All three are the most vile books ever written.  Anybody who tells you otherwise either did not read them or is simply lying.

Any ideology/religion that says "us vs them" is fundamentally wrong.  It can and will be used to teach hate.

Well, I have studied the texts of the Abrahamics as well, as I have studied the Key of Solomon, the Necromnicon. I have read translated codexs.  I plainly disagree, they are all beautiful texts (the Abrahamics) that provide a framework for peace and compassion. Our father Abraham made sure of this. This is why his name is attributed to those works. Although this may mean little to you, it means a lot to me, and our difference of opinion is fine. It's what makes all this shit so beautiful, the fact that you and I are such different things in the same world.

All ideologies, at their most extreme end of scale, engender an 'us vs them' attitude. It ties to esotericism, but you must reveal this truth to yourself. Hence esoteric

You are a nationalist, yes? Is this school of ideology not the literal definition of 'us vs them'? Do you feel that your views and opinions influences by said ideology are 'fundamentally wrong'?

Provide a text that you believe is 'not vile'. Genuinely curious

You are talking about race, not ideas. Be plain sir. We have had fellow humans perish for things that they had no say in, if that injustice doesn't strike you as a travesty, maybe you should reconsider your definition of vile.

This is not an ad hominem.

You want religion.  Try Jainism.  

If you think those books are not vile, your moral compass is screwed up.

Here is a thread on Bible I started a while ago:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1367154

Chopping people's heads, hands, boiling children, slavery is vile IMHO.

Anyway, it best is to stay away from the religious nonsense.  It is nonsense no matter how loud you scream that is not.

Humanism, secular thought, science is the only way forward for humanity.  

It is a historical record and a moral/ethical rubric with ritualistic observations of a higher power. I cannot apologize for the actions of those before me, as I had no input. History is indeed fucked up. And when I wake up every day and read the news, I see we may be due to repeat our mistakes. We apparently don't learn. That why you and I are talking right now

Man is nothing without faith. You may have replaced my God with your Science, but we both need to understand that there is something greater than ourselves, lest our life have little meaning. The life of a bug has little meaning.

Are you a bug, afnewbie? (Can't underscore, on a phone, don't know how at least LOL)

Rational thought and faith are not mutually exclusive man. There is room in my world for you. Invite me to yours.

And I'm not a Luddite, I believe in technology/medicine. But I believe in a higher power. We are obviously created things.

Edit: used to ride the bus with a Jain and a Sikh. The Jain was a cute chick that was a grade above me, the Sikh a side a grade below me. Both cool as shit. I like meat a bit too much for Jainism, and I don't completely believe in overt pacifism. Never talked to Ramen about his faith, can't contribute.

By inciting hatred against different religions and causing hatred he is causing:

-Tensions between Christians and Muslims;
-Tensions between atheists and Muslins;
-Tensions between Christians and atheists.

What af_newbie (underscore on phone is on the middle left under ?123 if you're using the same keyboard as me) doesn't understand is that their interpretations of the Qur'an and Bible do not matter.  Only the interpretations of Christians and Muslims matter.  

Religion is more of a cultural phenomenon than an ideology.  You'll notice that the majority of people who identify as Christian or Muslim do not abide by the violent side of their holy text - this is because their beliefs are individual and in reality they are not Christians or Muslims, just independent theists.  

The only real problem is the label that they incorrectly put on their beliefs because of their culture.  The rest is affiliations that we have made up.

[Sithara007]

I did say mono-citizens, sir. This dude should be serving life sentence without parole. Heck, I would prefer solitary confinement for life for these sort of people but that probably won't happen in a European country. Apparently that's human rights violation...

First let him check his mental state. From what I have heard, this guy seems to be having mental issues. But if it is found that he is in a sound mental health, then I don't support releasing him in to the public. That said, the western governments which engage in Islamic appeasement all the time should ask themselves whether they want more Breiviks in their nations.

[Iranus]

I did say mono-citizens, sir. This dude should be serving life sentence without parole. Heck, I would prefer solitary confinement for life for these sort of people but that probably won't happen in a European country. Apparently that's human rights violation...

First let him check his mental state. From what I have heard, this guy seems to be having mental issues. But if it is found that he is in a sound mental health, then I don't support releasing him in to the public. That said, the western governments which engage in Islamic appeasement all the time should ask themselves whether they want more Breiviks in their nations.

If you're an advocate of mental health facilities, do you also think that the Muslim attackers should be checked for mental health issues and helped accordingly as well?  Especially considering that most of these attackers were born in the countries they attacked in?

Or does that only apply to white people?

Also, do you support the Conservative Party's gradual systematic destruction of mental health services?

[Okurkabinladin]

Nothing unexpected. Outside London you can feel a silent but still palpable dislike towards muslims since ages almost everywhere in the UK. After the recent islamist terrorist attacks I'm not surprised if someone tried to retaliate. BTW this was a badly organized, amateurish attempt by some not very smart guy. We'll see if this will turn a tendency or just one of a few isolated cases.

Did islamist attacks ended up in just a few isolated incidents?



Who comes to the country with the sword will die by the sword, so was said in the Testament. It is just matter of time before London and Paris become like Lebanon - used to be 84% christian before muslims from all over migrated to it and started replacing natives.

[craked5]

Nothing unexpected. Outside London you can feel a silent but still palpable dislike towards muslims since ages almost everywhere in the UK. After the recent islamist terrorist attacks I'm not surprised if someone tried to retaliate. BTW this was a badly organized, amateurish attempt by some not very smart guy. We'll see if this will turn a tendency or just one of a few isolated cases.

Did islamist attacks ended up in just a few isolated incidents?



Who comes to the country with the sword will die by the sword, so was said in the Testament. It is just matter of time before London and Paris become like Lebanon - used to be 84% christian before muslims from all over migrated to it and started replacing natives.

Omg shut the fuck up
We're bringing bombers, soldiers, tanks, drones and much worse in their countries.
They brought what? 3 bombs and 2 AK-47 in ours?

Stop trying to hide yourself in your nasty little biggoted ass. You attacked them first, you killed thousands of children, women and men perfectly innocent. And now you're crying like a little bitch because they come and kill 50 kids?

Damn if I were them I'd put your country on its knees and fuck you like you really deserve it.

[merchantofzeny]

I did say mono-citizens, sir. This dude should be serving life sentence without parole. Heck, I would prefer solitary confinement for life for these sort of people but that probably won't happen in a European country. Apparently that's human rights violation...

First let him check his mental state. From what I have heard, this guy seems to be having mental issues. But if it is found that he is in a sound mental health, then I don't support releasing him in to the public. That said, the western governments which engage in Islamic appeasement all the time should ask themselves whether they want more Breiviks in their nations.

If I remember correctly, Breivic sued the government for putting him on solitary confinement. Ridiculous. It's not as unfair as what he did to all those kids. If people like him can't be given the death penalty (long abandoned in Europe), they should at least be made to suffer a gloom lifetime in prison. Lock them up and never let them see the light of day or interact with any human ever again.

[valta4065]

I did say mono-citizens, sir. This dude should be serving life sentence without parole. Heck, I would prefer solitary confinement for life for these sort of people but that probably won't happen in a European country. Apparently that's human rights violation...

First let him check his mental state. From what I have heard, this guy seems to be having mental issues. But if it is found that he is in a sound mental health, then I don't support releasing him in to the public. That said, the western governments which engage in Islamic appeasement all the time should ask themselves whether they want more Breiviks in their nations.

If I remember correctly, Breivic sued the government for putting him on solitary confinement. Ridiculous. It's not as unfair as what he did to all those kids. If people like him can't be given the death penalty (long abandoned in Europe), they should at least be made to suffer a gloom lifetime in prison. Lock them up and never let them see the light of day or interact with any human ever again.

You're an idiot.

That's not an accusation, that's a fact.

Having light condemnation, bery human conditions in prisons, a great way of life for prisoners, lots of consideration for their human rights even when they're mass murderers, all that allowed Norway to have a recidive rate of 20%

The recidive rate of USA is 80%

What do you prefer? Death penalty and horrible life condition for prisoners and 80% recidive rate, or decent life for prisoners and 20% recidive rate?

I hate to see people who killed or raped children living rather happily in prisons, with great food, not cells but real houses from which they have the keys. But I'd rather give them all that if that makes them 4 times less likely to kill or rape again when they go out.

[merchantofzeny]

I did say mono-citizens, sir. This dude should be serving life sentence without parole. Heck, I would prefer solitary confinement for life for these sort of people but that probably won't happen in a European country. Apparently that's human rights violation...

First let him check his mental state. From what I have heard, this guy seems to be having mental issues. But if it is found that he is in a sound mental health, then I don't support releasing him in to the public. That said, the western governments which engage in Islamic appeasement all the time should ask themselves whether they want more Breiviks in their nations.

If I remember correctly, Breivic sued the government for putting him on solitary confinement. Ridiculous. It's not as unfair as what he did to all those kids. If people like him can't be given the death penalty (long abandoned in Europe), they should at least be made to suffer a gloom lifetime in prison. Lock them up and never let them see the light of day or interact with any human ever again.

You're an idiot.

That's not an accusation, that's a fact.

Having light condemnation, bery human conditions in prisons, a great way of life for prisoners, lots of consideration for their human rights even when they're mass murderers, all that allowed Norway to have a recidive rate of 20%

The recidive rate of USA is 80%

What do you prefer? Death penalty and horrible life condition for prisoners and 80% recidive rate, or decent life for prisoners and 20% recidive rate?

I hate to see people who killed or raped children living rather happily in prisons, with great food, not cells but real houses from which they have the keys. But I'd rather give them all that if that makes them 4 times less likely to kill or rape again when they go out.

Would you like to see Breivic out on the streets again, somewhere near your kids?

[Sithara007]

Who comes to the country with the sword will die by the sword, so was said in the Testament. It is just matter of time before London and Paris become like Lebanon - used to be 84% christian before muslims from all over migrated to it and started replacing natives.

If I am not mistaken, these cities are already lost. The Muslim population in London is close to 25%, and that city even has a Muslim mayor. The proportion in Paris and Brussels is even higher. The white flight has been going on for many decades in these cities.

[Nagadota]

Who comes to the country with the sword will die by the sword, so was said in the Testament. It is just matter of time before London and Paris become like Lebanon - used to be 84% christian before muslims from all over migrated to it and started replacing natives.

If I am not mistaken, these cities are already lost. The Muslim population in London is close to 25%

According to the 2011 consensus it's half of that.  Don't just make up numbers.  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_London

, and that city even has a Muslim mayor.

He has a name you know.  He's Sadiq Khan, and has been a pretty decent mayor as of yet.

The proportion in Paris and Brussels is even higher. The white flight has been going on for many decades in these cities.

Nice little Freudian slip there.  Plenty of people like you like to claim not to be racist and just against Muslims, but Muslims are sometimes white as well.  You're assuming that Muslims are anyone you see with darker skin.

[stereotype]

Who comes to the country with the sword will die by the sword, so was said in the Testament. It is just matter of time before London and Paris become like Lebanon - used to be 84% christian before muslims from all over migrated to it and started replacing natives.

If I am not mistaken, these cities are already lost. The Muslim population in London is close to 25%

According to the 2011 consensus it's half of that.  Don't just make up numbers.  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_London

, and that city even has a Muslim mayor.

He has a name you know.  He's Sadiq Khan, and has been a pretty decent mayor as of yet.

The proportion in Paris and Brussels is even higher. The white flight has been going on for many decades in these cities.

Nice little Freudian slip there.  Plenty of people like you like to claim not to be racist and just against Muslims, but Muslims are sometimes white as well.  You're assuming that Muslims are anyone you see with darker skin.

Those pathetic Muslim fundo's must be beside themselves with rage......the Great city of London, also has a female gay Police Commissioner.