how will mere mortals get there hands on nvidia P104-100 or P106-100?

[Etherion]

Do you guys think we will see Nvidia P104-100 and P106-100 on ebay or Amazon?

[1715274656]

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[Aquazi]

There is no such card.

If you google it you'll only find rumours and speculations, one of the first links is this very website.

Stop falling for that.

Discuss it when (and if) a real announcement happens.

Also, unless they put much much better memories on those chips they are going to perform the same.

And since Nvidia and AMD are selling well as fuck there's absolutely no reason why neither Nvidia or AMD should make such a risky move.

[boatznhoes]

My Newegg rep told me I can order next week.

[thesavoyard]

Seems pretty fake, only videocardz and techpower up have anything on them. techpowerup just references videocardz. Yet a sleuth on these forums traced the rumor back to a Chinese scam. None of the info I have is rock solid, but I'm leaning towards bullshit.

[Vaccinus]

they seems true because i see them on some unknown shop, but it's strange that nvidia isn't making any real announcement, also it's yet to be seen if the value of these gpu isn't to high to make it worth the purchase, this gpu are not good for gamers, will be hard to resell, better to think before buying

[thesavoyard]

they seems true because i see them on some unknown shop, but it's strange that nvidia isn't makign any real announcement, also it's yet to be seen if the value of these gpu isn't to high to make it worth the purchase, this gpu are not good for gamers, will be hard to resell, better to think before buying

I'd get the 104-100 to fill out a server rack. It would be economic on scale as long as the cards don't die.

[david123]

Awesome, according to https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/2981/p104-100 such a card
is en par with a 1080. Does anyone have prive quotes or TDP numbers?
Seems quite suitable for mining 

[Vaccinus]

Awesome, according to https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/2981/p104-100 such a card
is en par with a 1080. Does anyone have prive quotes or TDP numbers?
Seems quite suitable for mining 

well it's all depend on the value, the 1080 cost $500 maximum or even $450 depend on the model/brand, if this is equal in hashrate should cost less than that to make it worth the purchase, otherwise why bother?

[david123]

well it's all depend on the value, the 1080 cost $500 maximum or even $450 depend on the model/brand, if this is equal in hashrate should cost less than that to make it worth the purchase, otherwise why bother?

Yes, but it's reasonable to hope that the P104-100 has some new features, like much lower power usage.
Or it can be produced (and sold) cheaper.
Otherwise, why would they bring a new model to the market if there is no innovation 

[QuintLeo]

The P104-100 per all of the data I have been able to gather

 (1) probably will have some BIOS tweeks to enhance mining performance - but DON'T expect 60 Mh/s, I'd guess 40 at BEST and more likely 30-35 on ETH
 (2) should be a BEAST on ZEC - though not quite up to the GTX 1080ti.
 (3) should have 20-30% lower power usage at the same clocks vs the GTX 1080 consumer cards, due to no video circuitry and disabling the "video-specific" parts of the GPU.
 (4) might have a MSRP of $350 - it definitely needs to be lower than the consumer cards to generate significant interest, given the short warranty and much lower resale value
 (5) no release date has even been interested.

 No FIRM information has been published to date, so far it's all rumors and leaks.


 I have a strong suspicion, given more info has surfaced about it from more sources, that the P104-100 won't show up for 2 weeks to a month after the P106-100 - and that has had dates anywhere from late-June to mid-July attached to it.


 Then there is the alleged 106-based mining machine - that appears to be using a mobile or modified-mobile version of the GTX 1060 (similar to the PandaMiner using mobile RX series cards).
 That however I've only seen ONE actual source of info on - and a lot of "quotes" of that one source.
 Not calling it vaporware - but so far it's pretty short on hard info.


 wcctech is one of the sources on the P106-100 - but they have a VERY spotty record, given their multiple articles about a "RX 490" that never happened among other "scoops" that didn't exist.
 To be fair though, they HAVE had some successfull scoops.

[JustCauseBIH]

https://www.olx.ba/artikal/25964165/msi-p106-100-gtx-1060-6gb-ddr5-mining-majning/

We have them on our local site liste for 30$ but im not big fan of these cards.

[iaoorin]

My supplier is offering me Palit GeForce GT P106-100 6144M GDDR5 192bit X (M/C:4000/1506) for price around 250e. You say it is not worth that money? Is there any benchmark of this card compered to 1060 or 1070?

[QuintLeo]

My supplier is offering me Palit GeForce GT P106-100 6144M GDDR5 192bit X (M/C:4000/1506) for price around 250e. You say it is not worth that money? Is there any benchmark of this card compered to 1060 or 1070?

 As the cards don't apparently actually exist yet, or are JUST (maybe) starting to show up, benchmarks don't exist for them yet.

 I don't know EU to USD conversion rate, dunno if that would be a reasonable price or not.

[iaoorin]

My supplier is offering me Palit GeForce GT P106-100 6144M GDDR5 192bit X (M/C:4000/1506) for price around 250e. You say it is not worth that money? Is there any benchmark of this card compered to 1060 or 1070?

 As the cards don't apparently actually exist yet, or are JUST (maybe) starting to show up, benchmarks don't exist for them yet.

 I don't know EU to USD conversion rate, dunno if that would be a reasonable price or not.

Lets say I can get them maybe for 270$, and my supplier is a big company, not some shady guy. Because I want to buy 18 1070 cards, but they are 480$. So I would like to know is the risk of not selling them for gaming worth 800+$ per rig.

[coreyb]

My supplier is offering me Palit GeForce GT P106-100 6144M GDDR5 192bit X (M/C:4000/1506) for price around 250e. You say it is not worth that money? Is there any benchmark of this card compered to 1060 or 1070?

 As the cards don't apparently actually exist yet, or are JUST (maybe) starting to show up, benchmarks don't exist for them yet.

 I don't know EU to USD conversion rate, dunno if that would be a reasonable price or not.

Lets say I can get them maybe for 270$, and my supplier is a big company, not some shady guy. Because I want to buy 18 1070 cards, but they are 480$. So I would like to know is the risk of not selling them for gaming worth 800+$ per rig.

Who's your supplier?

[david123]

My supplier is offering me Palit GeForce GT P106-100 6144M GDDR5 192bit X (M/C:4000/1506) for price around 250e. You say it is not worth that money? Is there any benchmark of this card compered to 1060 or 1070?

 As the cards don't apparently actually exist yet, or are JUST (maybe) starting to show up, benchmarks don't exist for them yet.

 I don't know EU to USD conversion rate, dunno if that would be a reasonable price or not.

Lets say I can get them maybe for 270$, and my supplier is a big company, not some shady guy. Because I want to buy 18 1070 cards, but they are 480$. So I would like to know is the risk of not selling them for gaming worth 800+$ per rig.

Who's your supplier?

I'd like to ask the same! Who is your supplier. Does he have the cards at hand or is it just one of
these notorious pre-orders?

[icolsuineg]

The P104-100 per all of the data I have been able to gather

 (1) probably will have some BIOS tweeks to enhance mining performance - but DON'T expect 60 Mh/s, I'd guess 40 at BEST and more likely 30-35 on ETH
 (2) should be a BEAST on ZEC - though not quite up to the GTX 1080ti.
 (3) should have 20-30% lower power usage at the same clocks vs the GTX 1080 consumer cards, due to no video circuitry and disabling the "video-specific" parts of the GPU.
 (4) might have a MSRP of $350 - it definitely needs to be lower than the consumer cards to generate significant interest, given the short warranty and much lower resale value
 (5) no release date has even been interested.

1. Let's assume it's true, so a little gain, probably adjustment in memory timings.
2. Probably the same as optimized 1080.
3. Doesn'twork like that, the part you don't use don't use much energy to begin with, so you won't gain as much just by disabling them.
4. Agreed, although my best guess it would cost the same as lower end 1080.

[iaoorin]

My supplier is offering me Palit GeForce GT P106-100 6144M GDDR5 192bit X (M/C:4000/1506) for price around 250e. You say it is not worth that money? Is there any benchmark of this card compered to 1060 or 1070?

 As the cards don't apparently actually exist yet, or are JUST (maybe) starting to show up, benchmarks don't exist for them yet.

 I don't know EU to USD conversion rate, dunno if that would be a reasonable price or not.

Lets say I can get them maybe for 270$, and my supplier is a big company, not some shady guy. Because I want to buy 18 1070 cards, but they are 480$. So I would like to know is the risk of not selling them for gaming worth 800+$ per rig.

Who's your supplier?

It is main distributor for Gainward and Palit nVidia to my country. But I will ask him about that cards.

[QuintLeo]

The P104-100 per all of the data I have been able to gather

 (3) should have 20-30% lower power usage at the same clocks vs the GTX 1080 consumer cards, due to no video circuitry and disabling the "video-specific" parts of the GPU.

3. Doesn'twork like that, the part you don't use don't use much energy to begin with, so you won't gain as much just by disabling them.

 TheStilt in his celebrated BIOS mods for the R9 290 achieved ballpark 15% savings on his NOT UNDERVOLTED version of the BIOS (personal testing on my own cards when I was first checking those out) - and he didn't disable ALL of the video out capabilities on the GPU, just most of them.
 I doubt a factory mod that disables ALL such circuitry would achieve less, and should achieve a bit more.

 I do concede that it's an estimate, and I wouldn't be shocked at more like 10% given upgrades in tech since then, but at least one source was QUOTING "10-30%" for that figure on the P106-100.



 Given GTX 1060 pricing is now climbing, $270 right now wouldn't be a bad price for the P106-100 - significantly less than the consumer 6GB versions in almost all cases right now - even if it IS quite a bit higher than reported "MSRP" was supposed to be per all of the rumors of pricing.

[Spavvn]

Why are we even discussing this? 3 month warranty is a joke, especially for mining purposes. If ~70% of gaming cards (my personal experience, adequate cooling and maintenance) can survive 3 years, then anything less than 2 years for "mining optimized" card seems like trickery.

[iaoorin]

Don't know, but yes in his offer it says that it is 3 months warranty, I don't know how is that possible, because in my country it is 2 years warranty by the law.

[Ceballos]

any news?

[un4given]

Don't know, but yes in his offer it says that it is 3 months warranty, I don't know how is that possible, because in my country it is 2 years warranty by the law.

do not mix Warranty with Gewährleistung. only bacause its the same word in english. those r 2 different things. and Gewährleistung is only for consumer market, but not for B2B

[Vann]

Re: how will mere mortals get there hands on nvidia P104-100 or P106-100?

Just buy a regular 1060 with a three year warranty. LOL!

24 MH/s ETH & 300 H/s ZEC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9deSVpjm1Kk

[CoinFacker]

They are out. Palit, colorful and MSI have cards out.
But the test seems to be just normal 1060's. No faster hashing at all.

I hope new tests will arrive soon and also we see the p104-100 cards.

[mojoxc]

The current mining card specs for the general public P106-100 are just 1060 stripped down with no video ports, 6 gb of ram and 90 day warranty.  Nvidia is trying to push miners to these cards and are trying to limit selling to the mining community their standard gaming cards.

Other cards are in the works, don't expect the 1080 version to hit the United States any time in the near future. 

[martyroz]

They are out. Palit, colorful and MSI have cards out.
But the test seems to be just normal 1060's. No faster hashing at all.

I hope new tests will arrive soon and also we see the p104-100 cards.

Aussie retailers are selling bulk packs of 20 for $349USD per unit.

https://www.scorptec.com.au/bundle/Graphics-Cards/NVIDIA/134-20x-ZT-M10600A-10B

Pretty bad deal IMO.

[kjs]

Any further news on the P104-100?

[SodiumEx]

NP104-200 by Colorful here.
http://www.colorfly.eu/iGame/NP104-200%20WK3.html

[mojoxc]

The reason we don't see many of these cards if they have been bulk sales to large facilities up until this point.

The only advantage of these cards over the standard ones is the ability to modify the bios of these gpus if you have the software from nvidia to do it, but they don't just hand it out.

[evoqon]

Any further news on the P104-100?

I'm actually waiting for this P104 since June. Still no idea where will it be available...

[Etherion]

is it even possible to get the P106-100 now?  cant seem to find anymore

[SodiumEx]

is it even possible to get the P106-100 now?  cant seem to find anymore

https://www.ebay.com/itm/MSI-P106-100-6G-Graphics-Card-ETH-ZCASH-BTC-GeForce-6GB-GDDR5-Coin-Mining-VGA/302528149189?hash=item46701536c5:g:YKUAAOSwoVNaCvjx

[kjs]

NP104-200 by Colorful here.
http://www.colorfly.eu/iGame/NP104-200%20WK3.html

Nope, that's a 1070 

[Johnrogers6325]

Hi All Just came across a large amount of P104-100 9GPU miners through my manufacturing network-please pm if interested. 

[shibob]

Hi All Just came across a large amount of P104-100 9GPU miners through my manufacturing network-please pm if interested. 

Do you have any performance proof? If it's the case, please show us here before we could have a deal. I expect that P104-100 could achieve ~30 Mh/s.
I heard that P104-100 will be released this month, and I'm waiting for it because it's hard to purchase more P106-100 now.

[nkchokshi]

well, ive called near dealer of Inno3d, he said they will have new P104-100 4GB cards in stock in coming week. But ive checked their site and they have Mining rig http://www.inno3d.com/products_detail.php?refid=351

The RIG has 9 x P104-100

they are claiming on the product page  ETH : 310MH ,  xmr : 6000, ZEC : 4300sol


compared to 9 x 1070 on Whattoming gives
ETH : 270MH , XMR : 4500, ZEC : 3880 HS.


The issue is The P104-100 has only 3 month of warranty. And dealer said no one has bought any yet so, if i buy i will be the first of his customer. So if anyone buys please do post review.

[Turk Ace]

Most likely a who bunch of miners living within the area where the cards are manufactured have back orders and first dibs. I won't be surprised if people buy them just to sell them later like the do with sports tickets.

[splat1]

Are these still not available anywhere?

[gradinkov]

Are these still not available anywhere?

This site sells the Inno3D system for almost 5100 pounds. Not a great deal for sure. And it's out of stock.

[darkneorus]

just bought 15x Palit P104-100 (NEBP104117G2-1045D) cards from local reseller. $495 each.

[stash2coin]

just bought 15x Palit P104-100 (NEBP104117G2-1045D) cards from local reseller. $495 each.

For small batches doesn't worth the money also these cards come with limited warranty which is a big downside. For 560USD i can get 1070Ti 8Gb with 3 year warranty also the reseller price will be higher for the 1070Ti's. If the price was 450USD, will be more tempting. In general the video cards manufacturers try to milk the market more.

[darkneorus]

just bought 15x Palit P104-100 (NEBP104117G2-1045D) cards from local reseller. $495 each.

For small batches doesn't worth the money also these cards come with limited warranty which is a big downside. For 560USD i can get 1070Ti 8Gb with 3 year warranty also the reseller price will be higher for the 1070Ti's. If the price was 450USD, will be more tempting. In general the video cards manufacturers try to milk the market more.

P104s have GDDR5X memory on board, they are faster than 1070Ti, and even plain 1070s cost more than $500 around here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2g40o3N93k

[dlezama]

just bought 15x Palit P104-100 (NEBP104117G2-1045D) cards from local reseller. $495 each.

Would you mind sharing where?

[Dlikrot]

I guess they have full order books from the big players, so we won't see them for sale for a while...

[hellscreamer]

I have P106 in stock
P104 is coming in a week , 40hmz

PM me if interested , min 6 pcs

[dlezama]

I have P106 in stock
P104 is coming in a week , 40hmz

PM me if interested , min 6 pcs

40 hmz?

[Vann]

just bought 15x Palit P104-100 (NEBP104117G2-1045D) cards from local reseller. $495 each.

For small batches doesn't worth the money also these cards come with limited warranty which is a big downside. For 560USD i can get 1070Ti 8Gb with 3 year warranty also the reseller price will be higher for the 1070Ti's. If the price was 450USD, will be more tempting. In general the video cards manufacturers try to milk the market more.

P104s have GDDR5X memory on board, they are faster than 1070Ti, and even plain 1070s cost more than $500 around here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2g40o3N93k

The GPU-Z window in the video shows the P104 has GDDR5 memory. If it is faster, it's NOT because of GDDR5X memory. The 1080 has GDDR5X memory and it can't even reach 25 MH/s on ETH.

[darkneorus]

just bought 15x Palit P104-100 (NEBP104117G2-1045D) cards from local reseller. $495 each.

Would you mind sharing where?

of course.
https://www.onlinetrade.ru/catalogue/videokarty-c338/palit/videokarta_palit_geforce_gtx_1070_1607mhz_pci_e_3.0_4096mb_10000mhz_256_bit_mining_edition_oem_nebp104117g2_1045d-1279565.html

Russian domestic shipping only, sorry

[shibob]

just bought 15x Palit P104-100 (NEBP104117G2-1045D) cards from local reseller. $495 each.

Hi darkneorus, have you done any test for P104-100 on mining ETH and ZEC?

[Makak4R]

just bought 15x Palit P104-100 (NEBP104117G2-1045D) cards from local reseller. $495 each.

Hi darkneorus, have you done any test for P104-100 on mining ETH and ZEC?

yes, I'm also interesting in performance charts of this card and I'd like to see gpu-z screenshot
to understand what kind of chip and memory used there and how it is possible to achieve such high speed for eth?
cause RX580 - 30 mh for 300$ and this one I can get for 360$ and it can push 41MH? - this is like what -35% more while only 20% higher price?
good deal I'd say

[darkneorus]

35 MH/s on ETH - full stock
41 MH/s with OC


it uses Micron GDDR5X memory, exactly the same as in GTX1080.

will post the GPU-Z screenshot and other algos hashrates later

[hellscreamer]

  PM me to preserve , stock is limited ; Will sell in bulk of 6 on eBay

39-41 MHz , 750 Monero ;
Others are similar to 1080

 

[franzstrader]

hey do u still have some of them for sale? tried to pm u but I cant since I am a newbie

[Spiffer]

Well they are not fake but they are hard to find for some reason

Linus tech tech tips just tested it and it works and hashrates are higher

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM1vaHflxFE&feature=push-u-sub&attr_tag=fclQ9Px8H_jj-hGW-6

[dlezama]

Probably they are sold only to big miners. So how much hypocrisy can NVIDIA have, giving this https://wccftech.com/nvidia-instructs-retailers-stop-selling-miners-sell-gamers/? isn't the solution to protect gamers to sell mining optimized cards with no video output using good distribution channels? They won't admit the truth, they again underestimated demand.