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June 22, 2017, 01:34:32 PM
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At this stage, one who spends bitcoin for things is a fool. Coming to the point, no one will wait for the confirmed transaction.

And everyone who claims this is damn stupid.

If nobody would spend bitcoins on things one of the main uses of bitcoin would be wasted.

What would be left?
An investment into something....nobody uses cause it would be foolish to use it.

Good luck holding your bitcoins and thinking that the value will increase just like that without people buying and selling.

If it weren't for that "fool" who bought a 10k BTC and other that followed  we would probably be still at 7$ per BTC right now, or maybe not even that

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June 22, 2017, 01:46:22 PM
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No,we can't buy anything by bitcoin early.If we want to spend or buy anything by bitcoin we have to wait for it the present currency which is in the market place we used to buy anything.When we earn bitcoin it save in the wallet then we sell it.Then we get dollar as it's price.

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June 22, 2017, 01:51:16 PM
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You know what bro, it really depend on the merchant. Let say he/she wants the payment be fully confirmed first before you can get the product but I think it would be hassle for them and also for us. A single confirmation is okay because we really cant cancel a transaction after sent it.

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June 22, 2017, 02:09:33 PM
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Gone are the days when you can purchase micro stuffs with your coin, easy peasy, but now with the huge TX fees, it is almost impossible unless you have a lot to spare. I miss those days though and hopefully it comes back. Anyway, from what OP said, it isn't like we can't buy something with Bitcoin quickly, we definitely can with a high fee but if you think your transaction won't take forever with a very low TX fee these days because you can't imagine yourself paying a transaction fee more than the value of the item you are purchasing itself, ... IMPOSSIBLE!
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June 22, 2017, 03:12:02 PM
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You know what bro, it really depend on the merchant. Let say he/she wants the payment be fully confirmed first before you can get the product but I think it would be hassle for them and also for us. A single confirmation is okay because we really cant cancel a transaction after sent it.
thats right it can't undone wants the transaction was already been sent, but the big problem is the current fee is really hurting both buyers and sellers unlike before that we can easily transact without hesitation but now before buying small stuff you will think twice because of the said fees,.
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June 22, 2017, 03:27:23 PM
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For exemple, I go to a coffee shop, I buy a coffee, then I pay with Bitcoin, we have to wait for a confirmation, no? or the merchant will just trust me if I show my wallet?
How can we be sure that it's not a double spent transaction or something else?

You are correct, the current network fees and confirmation time is actually hindering the goal of bitcoin to become an internet currency. People prefer other coins like ETH for the swift turn-around-time.

However, bitcoin still remains as an excellent investment currency due to the steady increase in its price. Those who are investing in bitcoin since last one year, they are already sitting on crazy profit and I am sure they are investing more in to it. So it is the best time to take bitcoin as an investment asset and not as a transaction currency.

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June 22, 2017, 03:51:05 PM
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For exemple, I go to a coffee shop, I buy a coffee, then I pay with Bitcoin, we have to wait for a confirmation, no? or the merchant will just trust me if I show my wallet?
How can we be sure that it's not a double spent transaction or something else?

I think you don't need to wait for confirmation because when you send a bitcoin to a wallet in a minute you can see that the transaction is pending, that alone will verify that the bitcoin is sending and just waiting for confirmation. I think when businesses will do that if bitcoin will be mainstream in our generation, but I also think by that time when shops will accept bitcoin as a payment programmers will find a way to make bitcoin transactions faster like banks when you use your card and tap your card or like the apple pay or google pay were you just pay and as long as you can see that the transaction is pending your good to go.  Wink
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June 22, 2017, 04:06:28 PM
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if it's not secret, where are you from? it's interesting for me, because in my country I can't buy coffee for btc.
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June 22, 2017, 04:14:13 PM
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For exemple, I go to a coffee shop, I buy a coffee, then I pay with Bitcoin, we have to wait for a confirmation, no? or the merchant will just trust me if I show my wallet?
How can we be sure that it's not a double spent transaction or something else?

I think you don't need to wait for confirmation because when you send a bitcoin to a wallet in a minute you can see that the transaction is pending, that alone will verify that the bitcoin is sending and just waiting for confirmation. I think when businesses will do that if bitcoin will be mainstream in our generation, but I also think by that time when shops will accept bitcoin as a payment programmers will find a way to make bitcoin transactions faster like banks when you use your card and tap your card or like the apple pay or google pay were you just pay and as long as you can see that the transaction is pending your good to go.  Wink

The advantage of delayed bitcoin transactions is that transactions can't be canceled when they are sent, this has become a warranty between two parties. I keep paying attention to the development of bitcoin paper, but there has been no serious progress. I hope bitcoin can make coins/physical paper as perfect as possible because only this can make things faster.

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June 22, 2017, 04:18:51 PM
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For exemple, I go to a coffee shop, I buy a coffee, then I pay with Bitcoin, we have to wait for a confirmation, no? or the merchant will just trust me if I show my wallet?
How can we be sure that it's not a double spent transaction or something else?

I dont see any issue in that so far the merchant is knowledgeable about bitcoin all that is needed is to ensure just one confirmation and there wont be any issue arising. But the cause for concern is actually the cost of transferring, that we all know its on the high side in the sense that for wanting to buy say a 2$ coffee and I need to pay say $1 transaction fee in order to attain the one confirmation needed is too expensive for me.
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June 22, 2017, 04:26:02 PM
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For exemple, I go to a coffee shop, I buy a coffee, then I pay with Bitcoin, we have to wait for a confirmation, no? or the merchant will just trust me if I show my wallet?
How can we be sure that it's not a double spent transaction or something else?

Easiest way is using web wallets. They don't credit your account until BTC is confirmed and debited account as soon as you made transaction. Thus no possibility of double spend.
In this way, shopkeeper can easily trust you for amount even without single confirmation.
By the way, when you decided to spend $3 in fees to pay for coffer worth $1  Cheesy
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June 23, 2017, 01:15:23 AM
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For exemple, I go to a coffee shop, I buy a coffee, then I pay with Bitcoin, we have to wait for a confirmation, no? or the merchant will just trust me if I show my wallet?
How can we be sure that it's not a double spent transaction or something else?
sure, because bitcoin has been popular and widely used. So when you use them will take time or may be refused.Bitcoin is only used to perform the transaction for less cost. I don't think anyone will use bitcoin. ...To buy cafe.
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June 24, 2017, 02:20:12 PM
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At this stage, one who spends bitcoin for things is a fool. Coming to the point, no one will wait for the confirmed transaction.
I think that's not a stupid thing, although at this time the confirmation time is quite long but it does not matter if you are shopping outside other countries? Is it you ever shop on ebay or amazon. Delivery time can be up to 2 weeks to get to my country. So just waiting a few minutes or a few hours to confirm is not a problem
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June 24, 2017, 02:49:57 PM
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For exemple, I go to a coffee shop, I buy a coffee, then I pay with Bitcoin, we have to wait for a confirmation, no? or the merchant will just trust me if I show my wallet?
How can we be sure that it's not a double spent transaction or something else?
Now we cant buy something quickly using bitcoin.Because bitcoin now is not yet globally accepted and globally used .But I think time will come that bitcoin will be known and will be use bt many and it will become one of the money currency in the world.
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June 24, 2017, 04:36:51 PM
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Now we cant buy something quickly using bitcoin.Because bitcoin now is not yet globally accepted and globally used .But I think time will come that bitcoin will be known and will be use bt many and it will become one of the money currency in the world.
We should be thankful enough that we would have the knowledge on how to earn bitcoin. We all know how does it works so we should not get too impatient because we cant buy our wants instantly. It is our part to wait for the transactions. It doesnt matter as long as we can use it to buy our goods.

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June 24, 2017, 04:52:37 PM
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Ah, that's right. I never think about something like this before since there's no place for me to use my bitcoin in my country.
But maybe they will believe it if you show the transaction proof? If not it'll be a real disaster though. Imagine you buy a cup of coffee and need to wait for one or two hours to get it lol. Kinda funny for me.
It's really inconvinient. You should just change your btc into real money and use your real money instead to buy coffee.

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June 24, 2017, 06:38:45 PM
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Ah, that's right. I never think about something like this before since there's no place for me to use my bitcoin in my country.
But maybe they will believe it if you show the transaction proof? If not it'll be a real disaster though. Imagine you buy a cup of coffee and need to wait for one or two hours to get it lol. Kinda funny for me.
It's really inconvinient. You should just change your btc into real money and use your real money instead to buy coffee.

Unless its becoming popular enough, its not possible to see Bitcoin getting accepted even in the big retailers/shops.
I can recharge using Bitcoin in my country and even transact for goods or services but on personal mutual understanding.

Using BTC online is no doubt helped me a lot as I don't have Credit Card and so it helps me to transact with no issues.
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June 24, 2017, 06:48:19 PM
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Depends on the merchant, the guy in my city(a baker) is fine with an unconfirmed tx.  For sure there will be people that double spend as people are serious piles of shit, but that is just like the losers that dine and dash, steal from vending machines,  etc.  Business just eat the costs of human bile.
You can double spent a transaction with a phone wallet?
But if you show your wallet, and the merchant verify that you send the transaction without any problem, and he find it in his wallet (without confirmations, but if you set a high fee, it will confirm soon).

Why do you have to show your wallet just to prove that you have sent the exact amount of coin when it can be seen on transaction history even if it is not yet confirmed ? Actually it is not a problem and you don't have to wait for it to be confirmed as long as you have made it, it will be sent only to the right recipient . And since there are already an options for the speed of transactions it might help to make the process much faster .
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June 24, 2017, 06:52:17 PM
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Now we cant buy something quickly using bitcoin.Because bitcoin now is not yet globally accepted and globally used .But I think time will come that bitcoin will be known and will be use bt many and it will become one of the money currency in the world.
We should be thankful enough that we would have the knowledge on how to earn bitcoin. We all know how does it works so we should not get too impatient because we cant buy our wants instantly. It is our part to wait for the transactions. It doesnt matter as long as we can use it to buy our goods.

Agreed. we should be thankful that we have found bitcoin and earn from it. However, I still try to be very optimistic and see that bitcoin will be mass adopted and as a result a lot of online merchant will accept bitcoin as mode of payment. But sadly, its not today because of the high transaction fee's that is being incurred when using bitcoin.
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June 25, 2017, 02:40:42 PM
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I think it is very difficult if you just pay for coffee with bitcoin why?
Because the bitcoin system when you transact will require confirmation and it takes about 5-10 minutes, while your coffee price is not more than 10 dollars,
I think for now the transaction using bitcoin to the shop or restaurant there is a minimum price of about 50 dollars.
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