Denominating a 'BitCent' as a 'Gavin' ?

[paraipan]

cbeast, no!

The man should definitely be proud of his hard work, determination and "thick skin"...

[glendall]

I also just like the term 'bit' . I hope that becomes popular. It is also a really quaint throwback to long-ago days when people referred to a quarter as a bit.  At least I think that is what it was. My grandfather use to call 50 cents 'two bits'. edit: Wikipedia'ed it. Actually 2 bits was a quarter, not .50 cents.

But this kind of thing has to happen naturally I think. Whatever word gains in popularity with the users, that is what should be adopted.  Not as effective to enforce a quaint nickname from the top down.

[charleshoskinson]

Maybe we can designate 5340 Satoshies as a Gavin.

I remember robocop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85cL1HisrNc

So now I can say "I'll buy that for a Gavin!"

[bujiraso]

I saw "millies" and "mickies" somewhere and that works lovely for me.
I agree with an earlier poster here that calling it after someone living -- who isn't pseudonymous, to let Satoshi off the hook -- is too weird.

[BlueNote]

really? Do you know how much of a pain it is for regular people between 'bits (of something) ', 'bits (computer)', 'bytes' and you would add another to that list?

You're saying that people can't distinguish between computer bits and Bitcoin bits? I buy a product called Bacon Bits at the grocery store, and I've never confused pieces of bacon with units of computer data.

The term would be used with Bitcoin, as in "Bitcoin bit." The symbol would be BIT.

So 1 BTC = 10,000 BIT

I'm arguing that it fits with BITcoin perfectly. All we're doing is describing a range of the currency. Since they made Bitcoin with eight decimal places, we can describe two ranges of four - the bit and the Satoshi.

This is super clean and super easy. It's a standard that would be used forever with this currency because it's right in the middle of the range.

If you see a price of 500 BIT on a cup of coffee or whatever, are you going to be confused? If you are, how is it any more confusing than seeing 50 mBTC? How hard is it to tell people that BIT is for Bitcoin? If you use mBTC you have to tell them it's a millibitcoin. We're just not referencing any math with BIT.

This option is unique because all the others are giving us metric denominations rather than a shorthand term that is free of math and the constant reminder that you're only getting a portion of the main unit of the currency. A term like bit can take the place of things like mBTC without conveying the message that you missed out on the "Ponzi scheme" of the main unit.

The way I see it, it was a mistake to limit the issue to 21 million. It's just way too small, and so now we have a public relations problem. People see prices of $100+ for ONE bitcoin, and it's off the scale of how they see everyday values. So we sort of have to "re-issue" the currency with a smaller unit so that it takes the place of the increasingly out-of-reach main unit for everyday transactions. I'm arguing that using something like bit is a fresh start. You're not presenting it with a constant reference to its BTC value.
That goes a long way in marketing and ease of use, IMO.

[bg002h]

who is Gavin??

What does the number 5340 have to do with it?

Gavin is the only guy paid to make Bitcoin software. The Bitcoin Foundation started in large part to come up with a way to convert Bitcoin from being a hobby project to something one could make a career out of.

Some people in the Bitcointalk forum community think it's wrong to pay people for work,  or at least work of this sort (ie, revolutionizing money). Additionally, Gavin changed a config file to protect our network. The new config forces people running a version of Bitcoin software to change settings if they want to open the floodgates of tiny transactions of no economic value. Again, some thought this was wrong. He set the lower limit of transactions worth mining to ฿0.00005340. There is significant harm in permitting cheap access to large volumes of transactions...significant harm that can't be undone in the future.

[AMuppInTime]

I mean if you look down enough, we'll be reliving Star Wars very soon, and people will call satoshis "Credits" because it will be convenient. You know what we need? SciFi that incorporates Bitcoins - Bit-Fiction

Science Fiction here we come!

[PrintCoins]

I mean if you look down enough, we'll be reliving Star Wars very soon, and people will call satoshis "Credits" because it will be convenient. You know what we need? SciFi that incorporates Bitcoins - Bit-Fiction

Science Fiction here we come!

Bitcoin is just another instance of scifi becoming reality. I would even say that without scifi bitcoin couldn't exist. Scifi is where the inital sketches of future realities are created. If it is mentioned now in a novel, I would argue that just like cloning sheep, it is not scifi.

[justusranvier]

You know what we need? SciFi that incorporates Bitcoins - Bit-Fiction

We're already way ahead of you. Bit-fiction has existed for years; one of the most successful bit-fiction authors goes by the name "Pirate@40" and produced a highly successful work of fiction that found numerous fans on this very forum.

[FoBoT]

Maybe we can designate 5340 Satoshies as a Gavin.

but anyway, one byte is 8 bits , four bits is a nibble, two nibbles is a byte
geeks have never been that good at marketing

but as soon as "the marketing guys" take over development, things get 'corporate' real fast. then that brings in the government and it all goes to hell real quickly (ie TAX TAX TAX)

[skull88]

You have to imagine water-cooler conversations at work and dinner table conversations at home and magazine articles and tv shows. Sorry, no room for "mBTC" or "millibitcoins" here. Nope. People will be talking about bits.

I think they will call them millies.

imo we can just keep the metric system, the names used eventually by most people will grow naturally, probably they even differ from country to country.

[Noitev]

* Noitev scrolls to see if gaven posted

aw

[rafsoaken]

I definitely think new names would reduce the chance of confounding denominations, as well as make handling smaller amounts of BTC much simpler.
Additionally those new names should not have the same sound to them, as that also facilitates confusion when two parties negotiate over price or when you send funds.
Third, in this stage of bitcoin, it seems futile to me to try press names into a scheme mirroring the Dollar-Cents relationship, because we have no idea where the valuation of bitcoin will end up in 1, 2, 5 years from now.
It might make more sense to use first names of people that heavily contributed to the bitcoin ecosystem (as in 1 Satoshi), in steps of 1000 as that is the scheme every SI unit generally follows. For all practical purposes the "cent" denominations can be added to the main denomination like so:

My official proposal:
1 Bitcoin, == 100 Bitcoincent (or 1 Bitcent),
1 Bitcoin, == 1000 Gavin (or Gav for short)
1 Bitcoin, == 1000 00 Gavincent (or Gavcent)
1 Bitcoin, == 1000 000 Finney (or Fin for short)
1 Bitcoin, == 1000 000 00 Finneycent (=Fincent, or Satoshi)

Pairs: Bitcoin/Bitcoincent, Gavin/Gavincent, Finney/Finneycents(Satoshis)

Advantage of that scheme is, that whatever the current valuation of bitcoin, you can always use bitcoin in the familiar way you handle the Dollar/cents pair.
So eg use Bitcoin/Bitcents for denominations of Bitcoin < 100$, Gavin/Gavincents for denominations of Bitcoin at 100$ and above, and later at maybe around 10k USD use Finneys/Finneycents(Satoshis).

Edit note: Please lets not use milli, micro and all the other prefixes - to easy to get it wrong (whoopsi, just sent the amount 1000 times) and they are also visual traps: mBTC, uBTC, ugh..

[Cyberdyne]

Please lets not use milli, micro and all the other prefixes - to easy to get it wrong

And when was the last time you accidentally drank 300 L of milk?

[rafsoaken]

Please lets not use milli, micro and all the other prefixes - to easy to get it wrong

And when was the last time you accidentally drank 300 L of milk?

I think confusing uBTC and mBTC in a dropdown menu with the ease of a mouseclick is far easier than drinking 300 liters of milk. What's your point?
Edit: even more so as "milli" and "micro" start with the same letter.

[Lethn]

Stop trying to re-invent mathematics, I already have enough trouble learning the original stuff >_<

[vane91]

I vote for

1btc = 1000 gavins or the minium fee at the moment.
1 gavin = 1000 credits
1 credit = 100 satoshis  (as satoshis will not be used in our life-time)

the upside of this:
i can send 10000 bitcoin credits to my friend, he will be so happy!

so 1 million bitcoin credits= 1 bitcoin! fast and easy!

[AMuppInTime]

I vote for

1btc = 1000 gavins or the minium fee at the moment.
1 gavin = 1000 credits
1 credit = 100 satoshis  (as satoshis will not be used in our life-time)

the upside of this:
i can send 10000 bitcoin credits to my friend, he will be so happy!

so 1 million bitcoin credits= 1 bitcoin! fast and easy!

I like it - it simplifies and gives 3 bases depending on the scale of the economy you're dealing with.