Proof that Crime isn't Why they Hate Bitcoin.

[Ucy]

Most Bitcoin critics often cite crime as reason for wanting Bitcoin obliterated. I doubt crime is the real reason. . It could well just be a subconscious thing they have no control over::  like Hatred for the weak, poor and middle class,  Preference for elitism, fascism and dictatorship,

PROOF:
Tools like VPNs and Proxies almost have thesame capability as Bitcoin but you hardly hear the complain about them.


To be honest, most people with this weird ideology don't really have problems with people becoming financially independent . Their problem is just the FREEDOM money brings to people. They wouldn't give a damn about your wealth so long as you are totally under their control.

[BillyBobZorton]

Most Bitcoin critics often cite crime as reason for wanting Bitcoin obliterated. I doubt crime is the real reason. . It could well just be a subconscious thing they have no control over::  like Hatred for the weak, poor and middle class,  Preference for elitism, fascism and dictatorship,

PROOF:
Tools like VPNs and Proxies almost have thesame capability as Bitcoin but you hardly hear the complain about them.


To be honest, most people with this weird ideology don't really have problems with people becoming financially independent . Their problem is just the FREEDOM money brings to people. They wouldn't give a damn about your wealth so long as you are totally under their control.

Tools that bring freedom are a double edged sword, because with freedom then you are free to do bad things too. So the only way out is to consider the pros and cons and I think it's clear that the pros are better than cons.

For example in Venezuela with their corrupt government ruining everyone's lives bitcoin is very useful and crucial. If other governments wanted to ban it, then they would ruin it for them too.

[RealBitcoin]

Tools that bring freedom are a double edged sword, because with freedom then you are free to do bad things too. So the only way out is to consider the pros and cons and I think it's clear that the pros are better than cons.

Columbus didnt discovered America because he was a prisoner. People must have some kind of freedom to do decent things otherwise what is the point?

Same with: Einstein, Curie, Edison, Tesla,.....

If Einstein would have been captured by the Nazis, he would have never invented the great theory of relativity which changed physics forever....

Innovators must be free.

[xhomerx10]

Most Bitcoin critics often cite crime as reason for wanting Bitcoin obliterated. I doubt crime is the real reason. . It could well just be a subconscious thing they have no control over::  like Hatred for the weak, poor and middle class,  Preference for elitism, fascism and dictatorship,

PROOF:
Tools like VPNs and Proxies almost have thesame capability as Bitcoin but you hardly hear the complain about them.


To be honest, most people with this weird ideology don't really have problems with people becoming financially independent . Their problem is just the FREEDOM money brings to people. They wouldn't give a damn about your wealth so long as you are totally under their control.

 That's not proof!  It doesn't even constitute evidence.  How did you conclude that VPNs and proxies have almost the same capability as Bitcoin? 

[mk4]

Most Bitcoin critics often cite crime as reason for wanting Bitcoin obliterated. I doubt crime is the real reason. . It could well just be a subconscious thing they have no control over::  like Hatred for the weak, poor and middle class,  Preference for elitism, fascism and dictatorship,

PROOF:
Tools like VPNs and Proxies almost have thesame capability as Bitcoin but you hardly hear the complain about them.


To be honest, most people with this weird ideology don't really have problems with people becoming financially independent . Their problem is just the FREEDOM money brings to people. They wouldn't give a damn about your wealth so long as you are totally under their control.

They have the same capability what?

Well yea, if you're speaking about using vpns, proxies, amd bitcoins for anonymity, then you may have a point. But guess what. Some proxy and vpn provides can sell their customer's info to the feds or whatever authority.

Also, critics/skeptics that hate bitcoin because of it being used for crimes are probably just uneducated when talking about cryptocurrencies.

[Raize]

You want proof? Look at BurtW's account of what happened to him.

They never charged him with an actual crime. Just the Bitcoin. And even that wasn't ever fully explained.

[stripykitteh]

Most Bitcoin critics often cite crime as reason for wanting Bitcoin obliterated. I doubt crime is the real reason. . It could well just be a subconscious thing they have no control over::  like Hatred for the weak, poor and middle class,  Preference for elitism, fascism and dictatorship,

PROOF:
Tools like VPNs and Proxies almost have thesame capability as Bitcoin but you hardly hear the complain about them.


To be honest, most people with this weird ideology don't really have problems with people becoming financially independent . Their problem is just the FREEDOM money brings to people. They wouldn't give a damn about your wealth so long as you are totally under their control.

Where is the proof?
Though you have a point that people are less likely to be tracked by the Government when they use Bitcoin the people within the Government don't really like that so they go against Bitcoin.

Crime is just a certain term for only a specific group of individuals. Having the Government not controll another person is a totally different thing.

[Novun]

You would be surprised what the actual capability of the intelligence agencies are. If they really want to the will track you. Shady deals o Bitcoin is a mall percentage. This argument of crime is just terrible. Fiat can be used for crime just as much.
If you end up on the radar of the intelligence community there is nothing that can help you.

[Kprawn]

Most Bitcoin critics often cite crime as reason for wanting Bitcoin obliterated. I doubt crime is the real reason. . It could well just be a subconscious thing they have no control over::  like Hatred for the weak, poor and middle class,  Preference for elitism, fascism and dictatorship,

PROOF:
Tools like VPNs and Proxies almost have thesame capability as Bitcoin but you hardly hear the complain about them.


To be honest, most people with this weird ideology don't really have problems with people becoming financially independent . Their problem is just the FREEDOM money brings to people. They wouldn't give a damn about your wealth so long as you are totally under their control.

Tools like VPNs and Proxies are under their control and that is why they are not too worried about it. They also have control over all traffic

going over their infrastructure ---> https://www.submarinecablemap.com/ ... It is also rumoured that most traffic is channelled through data

warehouses owned and operated by government secret agencies. So they control all unencrypted data with the help of huge corporate entities

like Google and Facebook..... 

[Lancusters]

Many bitcoin critics are trolls. Perhaps the bankers have begun to think about the competition and pay discredit bitcoin. Maybe it's a conspiracy theory, but I think that the latest ransomware virus demanding a ransom in bitcoins is to discredit cryptocurrencies. But the virus itself is a simple exercise that intelligence. Do you like this idea?

[Yakamoto]

Most Bitcoin critics often cite crime as reason for wanting Bitcoin obliterated. I doubt crime is the real reason. . It could well just be a subconscious thing they have no control over::  like Hatred for the weak, poor and middle class,  Preference for elitism, fascism and dictatorship,

PROOF:
Tools like VPNs and Proxies almost have thesame capability as Bitcoin but you hardly hear the complain about them.


To be honest, most people with this weird ideology don't really have problems with people becoming financially independent . Their problem is just the FREEDOM money brings to people. They wouldn't give a damn about your wealth so long as you are totally under their control.

Is this really a surprise to you though? Anything that cannot be controlled by the upper echelons is something they have to seek to stamp out, and if you're trying to do anything outside of the status quo and not merely capitulate to whatever you are being told, you end up on some list somewhere. Although everyone is on a list these days so there's no point behind it.

Reminder that in the early 20th century houses were, on average, half one's yearly income. In 2016, it is 4x a person's yearly income for most ""lower-end"" houses.

[mrcash02]

like Hatred for the weak, poor and middle class,  Preference for elitism, fascism and dictatorship,

To use these terms nowadays is a bit dubious, as leftists misrepresented their meanings to victimize themselves, lure people into their dirty ideas and control the world.

But it's true there are bigger interests that make the public opinion be against Bitcoin. Not because the VPS, but because the banks power and control over the countries economies. Bitcoin brings more accessibility and advantages for everyone who uses it, you can even borrow money with cheaper rates and faster, banks don't like it.

You don't put your money on bank's hands, so they can't use it to make profit for them and share a little part with you later, they are losing profit when you change bank account for BTC wallet.

I don't know if it works this way everywhere, but that is what I see where I live.

[OROBTC]

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I have no idea of the capabilities of the intelligence agencies re Bitcoin as well as VPNs and proxies. 

I certainly would very much welcome informed discussion of these topics.

But, whether any of BTC, VPNs, or proxies are broken to me does not make that much difference (although I would much prefer my privacy), these tools allow you to be shielded against almost ALL OTHER THREATS than the government.  Except Microsoft if the rumors are true about the Win 10 Keystroke Logger....

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Also, it's probably good to note that there is something called "The Firehose Problem", if "they" are collecting everything (and storing it in Utah at the data center), that is a LOT of data.  I presume that only the highest threats to .gov would be examined closely...

[mobnepal]

PROOF:
Tools like VPNs and Proxies almost have thesame capability as Bitcoin but you hardly hear the complain about them.

Are you sure about this? How VPN and proxies can provide same capability like bitcoin     I think you should read about them once again, bitcoin sole propose was not only to provide anonymity. It was designed to give total financial freedom and privacy which we can't get when using any of vpns, proxy or tor network.

[cryp24x]

PROOF:
Tools like VPNs and Proxies almost have thesame capability as Bitcoin but you hardly hear the complain about them.

Are you sure about this? How VPN and proxies can provide same capability like bitcoin     I think you should read about them once again, bitcoin sole propose was not only to provide anonymity. It was designed to give total financial freedom and privacy which we can't get when using any of vpns, proxy or tor network.

That is what my question too.  How could VPN and proxies have the same capability as Bitcoin, I have not heard any news people using VPN and Proxy as payment to buy them goods. And Bitcoin does not offer a good anonymity either since all transaction were publicly displayed.  I agree that  he needs to review the features of this three  things. (Bitcoin, VPN, Proxy)

[Baofeng]

Actually, bitcoin isn't best asset, currency or commodity to be used as crime tool because bitcoin nature is pseudonymous where anyone can track your bitcoin movement as long as they know your bitcoin addresses, unless you use trusted bitcoin mixer. Furthermore, government could compare bitcoin movement/addresses with regulated bitcoin services and know the owner of the bitcoin.
Those people who critic bitcoin either don't know how bitcoin works, hates bitcoin or both of them.

Exactly. they thought they can get away with crimes using bitcoin. But they don't know that bitcoin is pseudo anonymous. And it a government agency wants to track you it will be easy because its like following a paper trail. So you can't get away with it. You will see a lot of news people being tracked by their bitcoin address.

[Josef27]

Actually, bitcoin isn't best asset, currency or commodity to be used as crime tool because bitcoin nature is pseudonymous where anyone can track your bitcoin movement as long as they know your bitcoin addresses, unless you use trusted bitcoin mixer. Furthermore, government could compare bitcoin movement/addresses with regulated bitcoin services and know the owner of the bitcoin.
Those people who critic bitcoin either don't know how bitcoin works, hates bitcoin or both of them.

Exactly. they thought they can get away with crimes using bitcoin. But they don't know that bitcoin is pseudo anonymous. And it a government agency wants to track you it will be easy because its like following a paper trail. So you can't get away with it. You will see a lot of news people being tracked by their bitcoin address.

This is all about to change, anyone will be able to make there transactions anonymous pretty soon with all the new privacy chains coming online. Heck I've thought about doing it if the BTC fees weren't so high right now.

[ImHash]

No one hates bitcoin, no one hates weak and poor you just made that up, hating bitcoin is like hating the internet or computer, bitcoin is nothing but lines of code written by man, it does whatever the code says and it has no mind of it's own, people usually hate on living beings because they can talk and have opinions of their own, they can oppose them or harm them that's why they hate them.

[Hydrogen]

PROOF:
Tools like VPNs and Proxies almost have thesame capability as Bitcoin but you hardly hear the complain about them.

To be fair, LE (law enforcement) and intelligence agencies (like CIA, NSA, FBI) own & run a lot of proxies and VPN's.

TOR could be moreso what you're looking for.

Although it could be said that intelligence has been trying to find ways to monitor TOR as well if they haven't already.

[OROBTC]

PROOF:
Tools like VPNs and Proxies almost have thesame capability as Bitcoin but you hardly hear the complain about them.

To be fair, LE (law enforcement) and intelligence agencies (like CIA, NSA, FBI) own & run a lot of proxies and VPN's.

TOR could be moreso what you're looking for.

Although it could be said that intelligence has been trying to find ways to monitor TOR as well if they haven't already.

And THAT ^^^ is what I have been trying to learn more about.

Perhaps the next great career choice for a young person (college age) might be to getting a PhD is Cryptography and/or similar applied math.

Finding (and proving) unbreakable cryptography would be a HUGE thing.