What to do with the wall observer thread?

[BlindMayorBitcorn]

I find I'm partial to the graphics interchange format images that confirm my suspicions that it is indeed 'happening'.

[Globb0]

Hurry and bring it back.

I don't read the general forums anymore, just the few threads I follow by posting on them and using the updated topics button.

Its empty now. 

[cgt99]

OMG, dont kill the golden goose!
I think this is the most valuable thread on bitcointalk with all the different angles of where BTC is and where its heading.
Great charts and theories and discussions on whats relevant now and whats coming in near future.
I dont post a lot , but i sure read this one on a daily basis and i love it just the way it is...

If newbie shill accounts is the problem with spam and flood shit , then just elevate the ability to post in this golden thread to "Full member" or higher?

and the memes , i just loooove the memes...

[gentlemand]

If newbie shill accounts is the problem with spam and flood shit , then just elevate the abality to post in this golden thread to "Full member" or higher?

Yup. There are many things that could be done to cut the majority of grief off at the legs.

It definitely needs to be preserved somehow. There's nothing else quite like it.

[bitserve]

Leave the existing thread as it is, but with Theymos' relaxation of rules to reduce the load on bitcointalk mods.

Nothing else was wrong with it was there?

I guess we still need an owner/mod, but as long as that's another adam (a 'light touch' mod), I'm happy. I thought things went downhill when BCT mods started to attempt to keep things 'on-topic'.

Now is the time for someone to step up.   Candidates required to be the new Adam... If we find a Mod we can put forward, we get our thread back

Almost anyone could be a new Adam as moderator, I think. The colorful aspect would be harder:
moderate nothing, post hilarious random pics from 4chan, yell a bit, disappear for long stretches, be entirely bipolar chaotic, strongly advocate completely opposing views while sober/drunk/high ...

I loved the guy

Yup, he was the perfect "moderator" for a thread like WO. Maybe some people saw that as a flaw, but for most of us it was its main "feature". There are plenty of other threads for strict on-topic specific subjects.

I want a thread where everyone can talk freely about what they consider is directly, indirectly or even loosely related to Bitcoin price speculation... without having to care if discussion touch other subjects that may or may not be of the interest of all the rest participants. As soon as the messages are not clearly offensive, repeatedly spammy, or completely disruptive I guess everything is ok and any participant know how to scroll down or use the ignore button.

Also, I have to recognise that I like to have a single moderately high traffic thread to watch during my long trading sessions without having to care of going all over the forum looking for interesting threads (which, let me tell you, there aren't that many).

I liked WO the way it was.

[kurious]

So, I guess he's saying 'please can someone take this on, it's a pain to have to keep an eye on it'

Indeed. We first need a nominating committee...



Honest thought: If people need someone to help moderate I would be willing to give it a shot. However I am highly partial to stupid pictures of trains and spacemen, so it might wind up devolving....

I have posted on all the other threads that Theymos has asked for anyone offering to Mod if either Option 1, or 3 is chosen.   So he is offering to open the thread if a mod (or team of mods) steps forward.

I am not sure it's a one man job, so maybe it can be shared, but so far only you and Erkallys have expressed any interest.  Someone has to put their name to Theymos and gain some consensus with old WO thread-lovers.  I don't blame anyone for thinking it's a lot of work, but a team could probably do it.

I can offer occasional help, but I run a business and travel too, so I can't commit to a fixed permanent rota.  I am of course in the European time zone however, so splitting the modding up might mean we can have a loose rota covering different times of day.

It doesn't have to be so arduous. Let's face it, Adam would disappear for weeks on end and then turn up rolling drunk.

It could work well on an agreed light touch, low intervention, just keeping an eye basis?

Most people would want it to be fairly hands off - I persoanlly don't want an authoritarian hand with an ego doing it, it's not what made the WO what it was.

Even trolls have to be tolerated to keep it as it was - but it could maybe be tweaked it to make it easier in some simple ways.

Thoughts?

[Holliday]

I don't understand why people like option 1.

First of all, Adam didn't moderate at all (afaik)... He was probably one of the most moderated posters in the WO thread, with his drunken late night rants needing cleaned up and whatnot. Unless that's the point... LOL.

If we simply transfer ownership to someone else, at some point in the future we will be at this juncture again. That doesn't make any sense to me.

[bitserve]

I don't understand why people like option 1.

First of all, Adam didn't moderate at all (afaik)... He was probably one of the most moderated posters in the WO thread, with his drunken late night rants needing cleaned up and whatnot. Unless that's the point... LOL.

If we simply transfer ownership to someone else, at some point in the future we will be at this juncture again. That doesn't make any sense to me.

I voted for options 3 and 2 (although I would clearly prefer 3) but, afterwards, Theymos said something in the line that if we chose option 1 it would be up to the moderator to do (or don't) do its job and that Bitcointalk moderators would not moderate anything on the thread on the basis of offtopic. And that the report button will clearly indicate that (ie: it will only be considered offtopic if the appointed local moderator chose to).

That would make option 1 also acceptable IF the appointed moderator is someone that will only intervene in clear disruptions of the thread, heavy spam and blatant offenses to other members. Maybe that's why people is chosing option 1.

I would also choose that option if I knew, in advance, who the moderator will be and what his "moderating style" would be.

Personally I liked the "moderation" style (or lack thereof) of Adam and anyone who shares it has my support.

[kurious]

I don't understand why people like option 1.

First of all, Adam didn't moderate at all (afaik)... He was probably one of the most moderated posters in the WO thread, with his drunken late night rants needing cleaned up and whatnot. Unless that's the point... LOL.

If we simply transfer ownership to someone else, at some point in the future we will be at this juncture again. That doesn't make any sense to me.

I like option 1, but with reservations. Which are, essentially only if it's someone I trust - take a look at the new threads?  The longest is run with strict controls that would kill the 'real' WO thread.

The reason we are here is that Adam went AWOL and no one was moderating the thread.  If someone is, then it can continue.

Theymos is Pontious Pilate - he just wants to see a solution and wash his hands of it.

Option 1 (or 3) will provide one and we get our thread back. Sure, we may be back here again, but that is not a reason to do nothing.

[kurious]

I don't understand why people like option 1.

First of all, Adam didn't moderate at all (afaik)... He was probably one of the most moderated posters in the WO thread, with his drunken late night rants needing cleaned up and whatnot. Unless that's the point... LOL.

If we simply transfer ownership to someone else, at some point in the future we will be at this juncture again. That doesn't make any sense to me.

I voted for options 3 and 2 (although I would clearly prefer 3) but, afterwards, Theymos said something in the line that if we chose option 1 it would be up to the moderator to do (or don't) do its job and that Bitcointalk moderators would not moderate anything on the thread on the basis of offtopic. And that the report button will clearly indicate that (ie: it will only be considered offtopic if the appointed local moderator chose to).

That would make option 1 also acceptable IF the appointed moderator is someone that will only intervene in clear disruptions of the thread, heavy spam and blatant offenses to other members. Maybe that's why people is chosing option 1.

I would also choose that option if I knew, in advance, who the moderator will be and what his "moderating style" would be.

Personally I liked the "moderation" style (or lack thereof) of Adam and anyone who shares it has my support.

I was writing mine while you were composing yours, but generally I agree.

Option 1 is fine if I know who it is and I agree, Option 3 is a committee and therefore cumbersome, but a mix of the two may work.

I hope a candidate, or candidates will emerge - and I am sure Theymos will agree to a poll, if it makes sense.  He doesn't want to kill the thread, just have a way of letting it run without being a pain in the ass.

The consensus seems to be we want it to continue, we want it to be roughly the same.  Ok - so we must offer Theymos something who will rid him of having to police it, so it's not his problem.

Can we?

May the spirit of Adam live on...

[Holliday]

The reason we are here is that Adam went AWOL and no one was moderating the thread.

Adam was AWOL when he was active and posting.

Option 1 (or 3) will provide one and we get our thread back. Sure, we may be back here again, but that is not a reason to do nothing.

I chose 3. It seems to be a longer term solution than 1 at least.

[kurious]

The reason we are here is that Adam went AWOL and no one was moderating the thread.

Adam was AWOL when he was active and posting.

Option 1 (or 3) will provide one and we get our thread back. Sure, we may be back here again, but that is not a reason to do nothing.

I chose 3. It seems to be a longer term solution than 1 at least.

This is fine and may be the solution, but we still need 'acceptable' volunteers / candidates.

Don't get me wrong, I just want the thread back - but we need to offer Theymos an exit strategy.

[arklan]

if mods are needed, i have the time to do it.

[deepcolderwallet]

Almost anyone could be a new Adam as moderator, I think. The colorful aspect would be harder:
moderate nothing, post hilarious random pics from 4chan, yell a bit, disappear for long stretches, be entirely bipolar chaotic, strongly advocate completely opposing views while sober/drunk/high ...

I loved the guy

I miss all this! 

[deepcolderwallet]

Leave the existing thread as it is, but with Theymos' relaxation of rules to reduce the load on bitcointalk mods.

Nothing else was wrong with it was there?

I guess we still need an owner/mod, but as long as that's another adam (a 'light touch' mod), I'm happy. I thought things went downhill when BCT mods started to attempt to keep things 'on-topic'.

I don't really see why they got their knickers in such a twist about topicness. And a lot of the 'off topic' stuff such as the E coin does have an impact on Bitcoin too.

The topicness should be abandoned, disable the post reporting somehow if the mods are annoyed by it, and whoever takes it on can trim the blatant spammy junk. Everything else should be fair game. Who or what is it harming?

This is the best solution in my opinion. As far as I've understood, all the problem is because someone (some few) have a nervous finger and is clicking to report without reason.
SO JUST DISABLE THE REPORT BUTTON.
Let the local mod do his job and trim the junk.

Everybody will be happy, unless of course Theymos elect to be moderator a control-freak-mad-king-psycho as Meuh6879.

[deepcolderwallet]

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I want a thread where everyone can talk freely about what they consider is directly, indirectly or even loosely related to Bitcoin price speculation... without having to care if discussion touch other subjects that may or may not be of the interest of all the rest participants. As soon as the messages are not clearly offensive, repeatedly spammy, or completely disruptive I guess everything is ok and any participant know how to scroll down or use the ignore button.

(...)

The only exception for this CLEARLY OFFENSIVE restriction could be the cockroach, that guy is so funny defending PMs while we're all getting rich with BTC. He's another "feature" from that thread.

[JayJuanGee]

Leave the existing thread as it is, but with Theymos' relaxation of rules to reduce the load on bitcointalk mods.

Nothing else was wrong with it was there?

I guess we still need an owner/mod, but as long as that's another adam (a 'light touch' mod), I'm happy. I thought things went downhill when BCT mods started to attempt to keep things 'on-topic'.

I don't really see why they got their knickers in such a twist about topicness. And a lot of the 'off topic' stuff such as the E coin does have an impact on Bitcoin too.

The topicness should be abandoned, disable the post reporting somehow if the mods are annoyed by it, and whoever takes it on can trim the blatant spammy junk. Everything else should be fair game. Who or what is it harming?

This is the best solution in my opinion. As far as I've understood, all the problem is because someone (some few) have a nervous finger and is clicking to report without reason.
SO JUST DISABLE THE REPORT BUTTON.
Let the local mod do his job and trim the junk.

Everybody will be happy, unless of course Theymos elect to be moderator a control-freak-mad-king-psycho as Meuh6879.

A moderator could take a largely hands-off approach to moderating, but the report button seems a necessity in order for the moderator to account for what could be a problem that is perceived by other user(s).

A bit more than a year ago, there seem to have been a lot of notlambchop accounts that were muddying the thread, but that seems to be less of a problem than it was, and I think that moderators took care of that issue.. largely.

 - anyhow, the report button could be very helpful for a mod to be able to nip in the bud some of those ridiculous distracting posts that were coming from shill accounts that were merely intending to clutter and frustrate participation in the thread.

[yefi]

Now is the time for someone to step up.   Candidates required to be the new Adam... If we find a Mod we can put forward, we get our thread back

I think we can assume that all OPs of offshoot Wall Observers would be candidates.

I'll throw my hat into the ring if there's a shortage though.

[lightfoot]

It doesn't have to be so arduous. Let's face it, Adam would disappear for weeks on end and then turn up rolling drunk.

Well, I could definitely handle the showing up rolling drunk. In fact one of my side jobs at DefCon is to find stupid drunk young hackers in the casinos and get them back to their hotels safe instead of being projected on the 20 foot high walls of the Alexis fornicating with a My Little Pony Plush.

These things happen.

I would go with a largely hands-off option, no directly blasting other people, no posting marketing crap, simple stuff. But yes, we would need a team of people to do it. Sounds like we have two and maybe you, we'd need eight.

Those are my thoughts.

[bitserve]

It doesn't have to be so arduous. Let's face it, Adam would disappear for weeks on end and then turn up rolling drunk.

Well, I could definitely handle the showing up rolling drunk. In fact one of my side jobs at DefCon is to find stupid drunk young hackers in the casinos and get them back to their hotels safe instead of being projected on the 20 foot high walls of the Alexis fornicating with a My Little Pony Plush.

These things happen.

I would go with a largely hands-off option, no directly blasting other people, no posting marketing crap, simple stuff. But yes, we would need a team of people to do it. Sounds like we have two and maybe you, we'd need eight.

Those are my thoughts.

An old school DefCon'er that promises a light touch moderation? Great, got my vote!