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July 01, 2017, 03:12:49 PM
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Maybe put them all to rehabilitation center.  But do you think that all of these drug addicts and pusher will obey that or I mean they will follow you.  Drug addict minds are different.  It is something that we cannot think of.  Most of them killed innocent people.  But as they say, they were also victims.  Drug lords should be punished because they are the main reason why we have this problem.  So killing drug addicts who do not want to surrender maybe fair.  Maybe.
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July 01, 2017, 04:46:19 PM
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It may but only temporarily. Look here in the Philippines, it's usually the poorer addicts that get shot. I doubt that would happen to the richer users, much less the manufacturers.

It is a big business, with several politicians and police involved. You can't fix the problem unless you get rid of those too.

Another thing is that it would be a never ending battle, so long as there is a demand. Like I always tell other people here, supply expands to fulfill demand. Get rid of a manufacturer, someone with capital takes his place, same with the distributors and retailers. Same with the corrupt politicians and police.

Violence can solve this problem only temporary. I think that the drug business has its roots deep in many countries of the world, it is not operated within the borders of a single country anymore. For example here in Italy drugs come from different continents, we get a lot from Morocco but lately Albania a small country is bringing lots of cannabis in Italy. Our government is fighting hard against this phenomena but it looks like it can't be stopped. Violence is no answer either, unless our government gives permission to officials like Guardia di Finanzia who is the authority to keep control of the sea borders and not let anything suspicious to come in, to shoot criminals.

I didn't know you also have a drug problem there. I saw an RT report earlier that you are closing ports to immigrant ships. If you are going to do that against EU policies, I suppose you can also shoot at criminals. Are your police also unarmed like in some EU countries?

They are not unarmed but they are not allowed to shoot at criminals until now. In Italy there is a lot of confusion regarding how to deal with the drug markets. Many many ships or small engine boats are getting caught with cannabis in it, but the owners of these ships are nowhere to be found, presumably they are escaping our guards. I think if the government allows the guards to shoot the criminals this would solve a big chunk of this problem but for the moment this seems like a far far away land.

Wait, not shot at them? Even if the police are running after them? That's insane. If that was here they'd be on the ground before they can even flee.

Europe got too "liberal" for its own good. If it didn't you wouldn't have problems with these "immigrants" and can turn away excess you can no longer accommodate.

Back to drug traffickers, either you impose harsher penalties (I doubt that would happen) or legalize cannabis to ruin their business.
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July 02, 2017, 10:27:57 PM
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Aside from resorting to violence, what are your suggestions or answers to solve and deal with drug addicts and users in your country?

I think there's no solution to drug abuse, violence is just a temporary solution, even if the government was able to determine or catch some of the drug lords here in our country, this kind of business is well coordinated.

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July 03, 2017, 12:41:28 AM
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Actually, I do believe in second chance. However in cases that drug addicts just keep on repeating what they are doing, I think violence is the only solution to that.

If caught once, then rehabilitate, imprison then set free. But if they repeat it, whatever the reason is, just put them in grave. I believe that when they repeat it, they will do it over and over again even if you jail them.

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July 03, 2017, 12:52:07 AM
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Actually, I do believe in second chance. However in cases that drug addicts just keep on repeating what they are doing, I think violence is the only solution to that.

If caught once, then rehabilitate, imprison then set free. But if they repeat it, whatever the reason is, just put them in grave. I believe that when they repeat it, they will do it over and over again even if you jail them.
It's really a hard decision knowing that they could easily go back because that's who they are, drug addicts are somewhat prone to the temptation that they would go back there and you know how hard it is to quit something that's a part of your life already. They deserve a second chance but it's hard to give it to them thrice or even four times, it's just that dumb to do.

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July 03, 2017, 05:30:48 AM
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Actually, I do believe in second chance. However in cases that drug addicts just keep on repeating what they are doing, I think violence is the only solution to that.

If caught once, then rehabilitate, imprison then set free. But if they repeat it, whatever the reason is, just put them in grave. I believe that when they repeat it, they will do it over and over again even if you jail them.
It's really a hard decision knowing that they could easily go back because that's who they are, drug addicts are somewhat prone to the temptation that they would go back there and you know how hard it is to quit something that's a part of your life already. They deserve a second chance but it's hard to give it to them thrice or even four times, it's just that dumb to do.

That is why when they do it thrice already, then get rid of them. Before they could take another ones life or property, take them down instead, atleast one less drug addict in the world.

Besides when they are in jail, they will be another liability/burden to the government.

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July 03, 2017, 05:35:54 AM
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Actually, I do believe in second chance. However in cases that drug addicts just keep on repeating what they are doing, I think violence is the only solution to that.

If caught once, then rehabilitate, imprison then set free. But if they repeat it, whatever the reason is, just put them in grave. I believe that when they repeat it, they will do it over and over again even if you jail them.
It's really a hard decision knowing that they could easily go back because that's who they are, drug addicts are somewhat prone to the temptation that they would go back there and you know how hard it is to quit something that's a part of your life already. They deserve a second chance but it's hard to give it to them thrice or even four times, it's just that dumb to do.

That is why when they do it thrice already, then get rid of them. Before they could take another ones life or property, take them down instead, atleast one less drug addict in the world.

Besides when they are in jail, they will be another liability/burden to the government.

I think violence is not neccessary but sometimes a commodity that we kust sanction as a deterrent or to show that this is a serious business. Drugs and criminality are rampant because they believe that they would always have chances, and I for one think that sometimes due to their brutalith and the horrendous nature of their crimes a harsher consequence needs to be placed. Whether it might be by death or in sometimes as an act of defense due to a legal action. Then I agree that sometimes violence can be a key.

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July 03, 2017, 05:36:49 AM
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Good parenting is the key to a drug-free(or mostly) society. Instead, governments offer solutions like the "war on drugs" to suck more money from their tax slaves without accomplishing anything.

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July 03, 2017, 11:05:39 PM
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Aside from resorting to violence, what are your suggestions or answers to solve and deal with drug addicts and users in your country?
Violence doesn't and have not solved any problem in the entire world, it only escalate things,  the best way to deal with addicts is to arrest them all even if forcefully and put them into rehabilitation centre so thay they can get the help that they need and this should be done whether willingly or forcefully.



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July 04, 2017, 06:35:46 AM
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Aside from resorting to violence, what are your suggestions or answers to solve and deal with drug addicts and users in your country?
Violence doesn't and have not solved any problem in the entire world, it only escalate things,  the best way to deal with addicts is to arrest them all even if forcefully and put them into rehabilitation centre so thay they can get the help that they need and this should be done whether willingly or forcefully.

Rehabilitation using too much force is very rarely successful. There are a lot of religious organizations which run these sort of drug-rehabilitation centers. And there are a lot of scandals surrounding them. A number of addicts have committed suicide and some have died under mysterious circumstances.

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July 04, 2017, 06:47:20 AM
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Generation y are suffering from many mental disases so they want to relief these inner sufferings with drugs. Modern world makes us feel terrible and having lack of enough abilities to deal with modern world requriements damages human soul. For that reasons , If we want to decrease drug addiction, we must find solution to these inner suffurings as soon as possible.

 
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July 04, 2017, 06:57:44 AM
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Generation y are suffering from many mental disases so they want to relief these inner sufferings with drugs. Modern world makes us feel terrible and having lack of enough abilities to deal with modern world requriements damages human soul. For that reasons , If we want to decrease drug addiction, we must find solution to these inner suffurings as soon as possible.
There are a lot of mental diseases that affects everyone like depression, anger management and other stuff. It does make you feel terrible because there are people who really are suffering. It's hard to find a solution knowing that you need to tweak their brains but I think what we can do as individuals is to support them, and be there for them because you will never know what can happen.

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July 04, 2017, 09:16:48 AM
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violence is necessary to fight illegal drug.
it is much faster and more effective since the small and big user in drug will be caught up in the purge.
beside it will be harder to distribute illegal drugs if most courier are afraid to carry one.

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July 04, 2017, 09:26:20 AM
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violence is necessary to fight illegal drug.

Violence must be the last option. In my opinion, the government must try other avenues such as legalization, awareness campaigns, community education.etc before using violence against the drug paddlers and the users. But from what we are seeing, they are directly using extreme force without considering about any other option.

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July 04, 2017, 10:42:59 AM
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Unfortunately people are so arranged that they understand only the language of force. This leads to the fact that countries with developed democracy is powerless in the face of human aggression. The government is trying to approach all according to the General rules, but everyone is different, and the individual approach is not possible. In this I am a supporter of the right to arms. Everyone should have the right to violence to protect their rights.
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July 04, 2017, 10:47:55 AM
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violence is necessary to fight illegal drug.

Violence must be the last option. In my opinion, the government must try other avenues such as legalization, awareness campaigns, community education.etc before using violence against the drug paddlers and the users. But from what we are seeing, they are directly using extreme force without considering about any other option.

That would not be enough.  Do you think that the government do not do all that you suggested?  All were aware what illegal drugs can do to you and to others.  Just do not listen to Calamard and the professor guy that said that meth does not do anything harmful to our body.  In a country were killings were caused by drug addicts violence is the only option.  It is better to have those addicts be killed or jailed rather than innocent people be killed by them.
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July 04, 2017, 12:09:49 PM
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Aside from resorting to violence, what are your suggestions or answers to solve and deal with drug addicts and users in your country?

I think there's no solution to drug abuse, violence is just a temporary solution, even if the government was able to determine or catch some of the drug lords here in our country, this kind of business is well coordinated.

AMEN. I don't think we understand how hard it is to run a drug empire without government notice. You can't. Besides the foot traffic, the laundering of funds, the communications that can be recorded, I honestly don't think governments aren't aware of the drug merchants in their territories.

It takes one of your customers, one single time, to be caught and rat on you. People Rollin on their dealers may be more common than fish breathing water. There is little honor at the depths of addiction.

The government only goes after those that have enough assets to seize. The government doesn't really give a fuck about drugs. Drugs, or the arrests they provide, simply fill prisons that get paid to be full, and fine those who can least afford to pay.

Any serious government strategy to curb drug use should have a few key parts:

Education:
Because knowing the real dangers of a Substance is the best preventative.

Rehabilitation:
For those that slip through the cracks, incarcerate them WHILE rehabilitating them. That say you can ensure that the rehabilitation is good faith.

Prevention:
Let me be real. Certain drugs only come from certain places, some examples:

If you are an American and have had cocaine, it came from Mexico. Likewise, low quality marijuana. Inversely, your high quality pot was homegrown, or came from California or Colorado.If you have had real LSD in the last decade (you most likely didn't), it was produced by a Greatful Dead fan with a penchant for science Wink if you had what you thought was LSD in the last 10 years, you most likely had a Chinese manufactured synthetic. Hash is Canadian. Opium is South American. Meth, well, that's Made in The USA™ Wink

I say all that to say this: punishing addicts is like cutting the tops off of a weed, but never pulling it up. As long as the sources remain intact, the weed will regrow, waiting to be chopped down again.  If we don't go after the sources; for example, the Chinese labs where my Greatful friend gets his precursors to manufacture LSD, the shipping routes where coke comes across our southern border. The pharmacies that provide enough OTC cough medicine to convert to meth. The nurses that subvert opiods from institutions for Street sale. The pharmaceutical companies that aggressively market said opiods.

Addicts are low hanging fruit.
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July 04, 2017, 06:06:56 PM
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This may be the way that some country leaders go ahead and try to fix this, though I don't think it's going to be something that's going to work all around the world when it comes to combating crime. As in some areas it is WAY more normalized for people to be addicted and use weed, and other drugs. It may work in the Phillipines, or it may be working. But here in the US there'd be a ton of killing, it's kind of normalized for people to be using drugs here, using weed is one of the things that people see as like drinking or smoking cigs these days.

Who knows, could work, could not.

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July 04, 2017, 08:04:20 PM
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Aside from resorting to violence, what are your suggestions or answers to solve and deal with drug addicts and users in your country?

Proper education i would assume. And start educating them while they're still young and informatig them of the effects it does to themselves, their families and the society in general. People should br fully aware of the consequences should they venture on drug addiction.

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July 05, 2017, 01:58:37 AM
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Aside from resorting to violence, what are your suggestions or answers to solve and deal with drug addicts and users in your country?

Proper education i would assume. And start educating them while they're still young and informatig them of the effects it does to themselves, their families and the society in general. People should br fully aware of the consequences should they venture on drug addiction.

Awareness campaigns will have a huge effect on the levels of drug addiction. Especially in the third world countries such as India and the Philippines, where most of the addicts are uneducated and in their teens.

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