What is Moneypot trying to hide from their investors?

[gapjustin]

tradable tokens in general is a good idea but would only help MP owners and not us the Investors. MP should pay the Investors and show us that they are reliable and keeping their promises and this could help to get some Investors back.

It's worth understanding that since MP made their promise bitcoin price has gone up 2.5x in value, which understandably makes repayment a bit harder or at least slower.

I dont agree that it makes repayment a bit harder. it is BTC and it could go to 1 USD or 10k USD or more. it is BTC what they have to pay cause we lost BTC.
they should have paid long ago in any case and what if tomorrow BTC will be 5k USD or more?

A tradable token in the style of bitfinnex would absolutely help creditors, as it would allow them get paid immediately (if they wanted to take a haircut). Or they would be free to hold the token until they're repaid. But in the end they should all end up redeemed for their face value, so it's not a trick or anything like that.

good that you added this time my guess why question's answer that only MP can profit with the tokens cause they can buy it back for less and that is not fair IMO or they will pay more in form of tokens. why should investors get an haircut? sorry the Investors got already their haircut so there is no reason for another haircut!

(Anyway, it was just idea. I did not hold a balance at the time, so I absolutely should have not have a say in the matter)

as I said before in general it was a good idea but it should be a bit more thought through to please also the Investors and not only MP just to be fair for the Investors

BTW I believe you that you were not invested because you warned many times that the Investments/Bank Roll will go sour according to MP BR handling changes

I dont agree that it makes repayment a bit harder. it is BTC and it could go to 1 USD or 10k USD or more. it is BTC what they have to pay cause we lost BTC.
they should have paid long ago in any case and what if tomorrow BTC will be 5k USD or more?

So you don't agree that a rise in value makes it harder to pay?
Let me give you a quick example
You have to pay back 50$
suddenly you have to pay back 100$
Is this harder than 50$? Yes or no
If you answered no then I don't know what you're even doing on here

good that you added this time my guess why question's answer that only MP can profit with the tokens cause they can buy it back for less and that is not fair IMO or they will pay more in form of tokens. why should investors get an haircut? sorry the Investors got already their haircut so there is no reason for another haircut!

Now that's actually a valid point you make here. But the idea is that moneypot can only buy them for what they need to repay, and that users can sell them to other users who are willing to wait longer. The MP buying for cheaper could be fixed by MP doing monthly payments of a fixed amount instead!

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[RHavar]

Now that's actually a valid point you make here. But the idea is that moneypot can only buy them for what they need to repay, and that users can sell them to other users who are willing to wait longer. The MP buying for cheaper could be fixed by MP doing monthly payments of a fixed amount instead!

For the record, in the bitfinex case they didn't save a cent by issuing the token. They paid back all tokens at exactly their face value (never bought them for cheaper on the secondary market). It was just a useful tool for people who wanted their money early (or thought they weren't going to get paid etc.)

[JackpotRacer]

So you don't agree that a rise in value makes it harder to pay?
Let me give you a quick example
You have to pay back 50$
suddenly you have to pay back 100$
Is this harder than 50$? Yes or no
If you answered no then I don't know what you're even doing on here

go back to your kindergarten little brown nosed stupid!

and learn that 1 BTC is 1 BTC and it doesnt matter if it is 50$ or 1000$ or more

if I owe you 10 BTC I need to pay you back 10 BTC! easy as that (so who cares if the BTC are 50$ or 1k $)

MP is a BTC business and not a fiat business that means they own BTC and in case that not they are even more stupid than I thought

next important point is that MP owners allowed someone to steal from Investors maybe partnered up or neglected their duties to secure the Investors coins! therefore they wanted to calm down the Investors (as a fine poster said before) and promised the compensation. therefore they need to pay out without any delays. Investors are also players BTW

[gapjustin]

So you don't agree that a rise in value makes it harder to pay?
Let me give you a quick example
You have to pay back 50$
suddenly you have to pay back 100$
Is this harder than 50$? Yes or no
If you answered no then I don't know what you're even doing on here

go back to your kindergarten little brown nosed stupid!

and learn that 1 BTC is 1 BTC and it doesnt matter if it is 50$ or 1000$ or more

if I owe you 10 BTC I need to pay you back 10 BTC! easy as that (so who cares if the BTC are 50$ or 1k $)

MP is a BTC business and not a fiat business that means they own BTC and in case that not they are even more stupid than I thought

next important point is that MP owners allowed someone to steal from Investors maybe partnered up or neglected their duties to secure the Investors coins! therefore they wanted to calm down the Investors (as a fine poster said before) and promised the compensation. therefore they need to pay out without any delays. Investors are also players BTW

go back to your kindergarten little brown nosed stupid!

Even more insults! How mature of you!

and learn that 1 BTC is 1 BTC and it doesnt matter if it is 50$ or 1000$ or more

if I owe you 10 BTC I need to pay you back 10 BTC! easy as that (so who cares if the BTC are 50$ or 1k $)

And what if someone doesn't have it in btc and has to buy the btc first? Suddenly its hard :O

MP is a BTC business and not a fiat business that means they own BTC and in case that not they are even more stupid than I thought

The btc would most likely be converted into fiat sometime, wouldn't it?
And once it does they would have to convert it back but oh wait the price went up

snip, read https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1994708.msg19880554#msg19880554
Too long to keep in.

same for you little boy your brown nose is in danger that it will be that deep you will not get it out!

tradable tokens are only good for MP owners! but why would you agree with me LEL

MP should pay the investors cause we Investors lost BTC and not tradable tokens

why dont you guys attack this poster LEL
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1994708.msg19861856#msg19861856

you might want to come off that high horse. the only reason you even offered that was to calm down investors after it was revealed that you were negligent with server access with an unstable ex-developer still having server seed access. in the following six months not only have you not compensated investors as promised, and not even released amounts to your investors. most likely because your insolvent if you take into account your debt to investors

maybe because it was not Jackpotracer who posted it? but this guy is not one of the brown nosed idiots he is just a man/girl with common sense and a fair thinking brain. All normal people should think the same and it doesnt matter who said it, easy as that

now go back to your children channel = discord

same for you little boy your brown nose is in danger that it will be that deep you will not get it out!

what?

tradable tokens are only good for MP owners! but why would you agree with me LEL

Explain to me how it's not beneficial for both? It might not be as good as being paid out right away but it's something.
Please explain how something < nothing

MP should pay the investors cause we Investors lost BTC and not tradable tokens

Those tradable tokens should equal an amount in BTC to be paid out.

why dont you guys attack this poster LEL
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1994708.msg19861856#msg19861856

you might want to come off that high horse. the only reason you even offered that was to calm down investors after it was revealed that you were negligent with server access with an unstable ex-developer still having server seed access. in the following six months not only have you not compensated investors as promised, and not even released amounts to your investors. most likely because your insolvent if you take into account your debt to investors

maybe because it was not Jackpotracer who posted it? but this guy is not one of the brown nosed idiots he is just a man/girl with common sense and a fair thinking brain. All normal people should think the same and it doesnt matter who said it, easy as that

Maybe because it was not Jackpotracer, the troll who has a vendetta against moneypot but someone who might just be a regular person with an opinion based off of other things other than just the desire to slander MP?

now go back to your children channel = discord

Yay, insults. I wouldn't have recognised you without them!

Also mind replying on this aswel? You seem to have forgotten about it which makes me think that these are valid points on my side and you don't wish to continue with these.


Still waiting on that apology btw :>

[JackpotRacer]

So you don't agree that a rise in value makes it harder to pay?
Let me give you a quick example
You have to pay back 50$
suddenly you have to pay back 100$
Is this harder than 50$? Yes or no
If you answered no then I don't know what you're even doing on here

go back to your kindergarten little brown nosed stupid!

and learn that 1 BTC is 1 BTC and it doesnt matter if it is 50$ or 1000$ or more

if I owe you 10 BTC I need to pay you back 10 BTC! easy as that (so who cares if the BTC are 50$ or 1k $)

MP is a BTC business and not a fiat business that means they own BTC and in case that not they are even more stupid than I thought

next important point is that MP owners allowed someone to steal from Investors maybe partnered up or neglected their duties to secure the Investors coins! therefore they wanted to calm down the Investors (as a fine poster said before) and promised the compensation. therefore they need to pay out without any delays. Investors are also players BTW

go back to your kindergarten little brown nosed stupid!

Even more insults! How mature of you!

and learn that 1 BTC is 1 BTC and it doesnt matter if it is 50$ or 1000$ or more

if I owe you 10 BTC I need to pay you back 10 BTC! easy as that (so who cares if the BTC are 50$ or 1k $)

And what if someone doesn't have it in btc and has to buy the btc first? Suddenly its hard :O

MP is a BTC business and not a fiat business that means they own BTC and in case that not they are even more stupid than I thought

The btc would most likely be converted into fiat sometime, wouldn't it?
And once it does they would have to convert it back but oh wait the price went up

snip, read https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1994708.msg19880554#msg19880554
Too long to keep in.

same for you little boy your brown nose is in danger that it will be that deep you will not get it out!

tradable tokens are only good for MP owners! but why would you agree with me LEL

MP should pay the investors cause we Investors lost BTC and not tradable tokens

why dont you guys attack this poster LEL
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1994708.msg19861856#msg19861856

you might want to come off that high horse. the only reason you even offered that was to calm down investors after it was revealed that you were negligent with server access with an unstable ex-developer still having server seed access. in the following six months not only have you not compensated investors as promised, and not even released amounts to your investors. most likely because your insolvent if you take into account your debt to investors

maybe because it was not Jackpotracer who posted it? but this guy is not one of the brown nosed idiots he is just a man/girl with common sense and a fair thinking brain. All normal people should think the same and it doesnt matter who said it, easy as that

now go back to your children channel = discord

same for you little boy your brown nose is in danger that it will be that deep you will not get it out!

what?

tradable tokens are only good for MP owners! but why would you agree with me LEL

Explain to me how it's not beneficial for both? It might not be as good as being paid out right away but it's something.
Please explain how something < nothing

MP should pay the investors cause we Investors lost BTC and not tradable tokens

Those tradable tokens should equal an amount in BTC to be paid out.

why dont you guys attack this poster LEL
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1994708.msg19861856#msg19861856

you might want to come off that high horse. the only reason you even offered that was to calm down investors after it was revealed that you were negligent with server access with an unstable ex-developer still having server seed access. in the following six months not only have you not compensated investors as promised, and not even released amounts to your investors. most likely because your insolvent if you take into account your debt to investors

maybe because it was not Jackpotracer who posted it? but this guy is not one of the brown nosed idiots he is just a man/girl with common sense and a fair thinking brain. All normal people should think the same and it doesnt matter who said it, easy as that

Maybe because it was not Jackpotracer, the troll who has a vendetta against moneypot but someone who might just be a regular person with an opinion based off of other things other than just the desire to slander MP?

now go back to your children channel = discord

Yay, insults. I wouldn't have recognised you without them!

Also mind replying on this aswel? You seem to have forgotten about it which makes me think that these are valid points on my side and you don't wish to continue with these.


Still waiting on that apology btw :>

sorry but very stupid answers but to be frank I didnt expect some good answers from you but I am sure as soon you will free your brown nose from their A** it will help you and you will feel much better

[gapjustin]

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sorry but very stupid answers but to be frank I didnt expect some good answers from you but I am sure as soon you will free your brown nose from their A** it will help you and you will feel much better

Ah yes ofcourse, more insults. Super mature as always JPR
If you ever wonder why you're branded as a troll, this is why!

[JackpotRacer]

2nd Daily Bump

It Is High Time for Moneypot to pay the Investors the long promised compensation!

the more Bumps the more chances that MP is fooling his Investors!

[Dogedigital]

2nd Daily Bump

It Is High Time for Moneypot to pay the Investors the long promised compensation!

the more Bumps the more chances that MP is fooling his Investors!

The promised compensation is still the same.  It is to start beginning sometime over the course of the year and is to be paid through other income sources which are heading its way to Moneypot soon.

There was no stipulation that investors were forced to stay, so I'm not sure where they are getting fooled.

[JackpotRacer]

2nd Daily Bump

It Is High Time for Moneypot to pay the Investors the long promised compensation!

the more Bumps the more chances that MP is fooling his Investors!

The promised compensation is still the same.  It is to start beginning sometime over the course of the year and is to be paid through other income sources which are heading its way to Moneypot soon.

There was no stipulation that investors were forced to stay, so I'm not sure where they are getting fooled.

3rd Daily Bump

thx for the Bump because sometimes I have not the time so everyone is welcome to Bump the thread

@Dogedigital the Investors got fooled and even scammed in case you will delay the promised compensation. the so called investigations you guys announced were always done so you can find out who cheated and how but you never published it cause you were afraid that MP will be gone! you guys dont care a lot about Investors coins. you guys care about your coins!

start the Compensation!

[JackpotRacer]

sorry missed the 4th Bump

so I call it the 5th daily Bump

[JackpotRacer]

sorry missed the 4th Bump

so I call it the 5th daily Bump

6th daily Bump

this looks really bad. I read that MP traffic is very low right now

and the Investor Profit is 
Investor Profit:    -85,106,244 bits

I don't need to prove that MP is wrong because MP will prove that I am right

[JackpotRacer]

7th daily Bump

and another day goes by without compensating the Investors!

regarding the low MP traffic a user was talking about I received a PM with the MP traffic stats. IMO the traffic is not that important but the players wager amount is more important. all together it looks very bad for MP right now. it is time to compensate the Investors and show the Investors that MP cares about them.

link
https://www.similarweb.com/website/moneypot.com

[JackpotRacer]

8th daily Bump

and another day goes by without compensating the Investors!

lets see when we get near the date of Scam?

[Dogedigital]

Stop bumping. 

This has been addressed.  Nothing has changed.  It is set to take course sometime over this year. It takes time but is being worked on.

This is clearly an attack and I'm not sure why mods are allowing it.  What does traffic (especially a very inaccurate source) have to do with this topic?

[JackpotRacer]

Stop bumping. 

This has been addressed.  Nothing has changed.  It is set to take course sometime over this year. It takes time but is being worked on.

This is clearly an attack and I'm not sure why mods are allowing it.  What does traffic (especially a very inaccurate source) have to do with this topic?

9th daily Bump

Dogedigital I will tell you again and again that BTC is the coin of Democracy and not a Dictator ship Coin. same for this forum it is a BTC forum = democratic forum. Stop your ugly Dictator ship behavior! ir doesnt impress or frighten me!

sure that you would like to have me banned forever by the Mods but this would be a Dictator ship behavior like yours! will it save Moneypot or you? NO!

You the MP owners need to full fill their promises towards their Investors! easy as that

each Bump brings you nearer to the scam!

and again read what a trusted user posted and then deleted. but why did he post this? to delete it?  he was warning you long ago and you guys as always didnt listen to him

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That said, I'd give MoneyPot a bit of slack. Just looking at http://eeeth.com/mpstats/ there clearly seems to be something wrong, I wouldn't blame them for being on a heightened state of alert (which is a good thing, as they need to safe guard investors money). "

[JackpotRacer]

10th daily Bump

lets take a look at the Moneypot stats

Bankroll:    227,409,343 bits
Wagered: 99,091,640,885 bits
Investor Profit:    -91,366,625 bits
Bets:  1,172,382,016   

hmm Bank Roll doesnt look good for the Investors and for the players who now only can wager much less

those are Facts and not FUD Mr Dogedigital

[JackpotRacer]

sorry that I missed a few Bumps

it should be now the 17th Bump

to be frank 17 Bumps is a lot as nothing happened!

Moneypot
START COMPENSATING AND FULL FILL YOUR PROMISE!

[JackpotRacer]

10th daily Bump

lets take a look at the Moneypot stats

Bankroll:    227,409,343 bits
Wagered: 99,091,640,885 bits
Investor Profit:    -91,366,625 bits
Bets:  1,172,382,016   

hmm Bank Roll doesnt look good for the Investors and for the players who now only can wager much less

those are Facts and not FUD Mr Dogedigital

18th Daily Bump

regarding the 100+ BTC withdrawal I know now the reason and opened another Poll. please vote

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2045126.msg20369978#msg20369978

[JackpotRacer]

21st Daily Bump

and here a posting from RHavar regarding the 100+ BTC withdrawal

If I was an investor, I'd be pretty concerned. Promising returns strictly increases your risk, and largely defeats the purpose of an investor system. I think you guys have already promised investors a couple hundred bitcoin (?) after the incident last year; so unless you have some sort of cash injection -- solvency would seem to be a major concern.


link
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1737934.msg20406071#msg20406071

that is exactly what I thought and said but in much better english than mine

empty promises that is what we Investors got long ago and till today no sign of payment!

[JackpotRacer]

21st Daily Bump

and here a posting from RHavar regarding the 100+ BTC withdrawal

If I was an investor, I'd be pretty concerned. Promising returns strictly increases your risk, and largely defeats the purpose of an investor system. I think you guys have already promised investors a couple hundred bitcoin (?) after the incident last year; so unless you have some sort of cash injection -- solvency would seem to be a major concern.


link
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1737934.msg20406071#msg20406071

that is exactly what I thought and said but in much better english than mine

empty promises that is what we Investors got long ago and till today no sign of payment!

22nd Daily Bump

Dont wait to long with your promises! scam accusation is getting nearer