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July 02, 2017, 03:35:45 PM
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An accusation that the Philippine government dismissed, if not outright lied, about potential Islamist links of Resorts World attacker.

http://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/in-depth/174438-isis-sanctioned-if-not-directed-resorts-world-attack-expert

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MANILA, Philippines – One month after the Resorts World attack in Manila, terrorism experts tell Rappler they believe the Philippines prematurely dismissed claims by the Islamic State, also known as ISIS, IS, ISIL or Daesch, and asked for an investigation into its claim the Resorts World gunman was a recent convert to Islam.

The June 2 attack was “at the very minimum sanctioned – if not directed – by the Islamic State,” Veryan Khan, editorial director and founder of Terrorism Research & Analysis Consortium (TRAC), told Rappler. TRAC is a digital intelligence repository focused on global terrorism and political violence.

“It’s very likely that the Resorts World was a terrorist operation,” said Sidney Jones, director of the Jakarta-based Institute for Policy Analysis of Conflict, cautioning authorities against dismissing ISIS claims as “propaganda.”

“It isn’t true that ISIS has a history of claiming others’ attacks as their own,” added Jones. “There’s usually a basis for it, even though their media departments don’t always get the details right.”

Khan and Jones are echoed by Rohan Gunaratna, author of Inside al-Qaeda and the head of the Singapore-based International Centre for Political Violence & Terrorism Research.

“The propaganda organs of ISIS such as Amaq exaggerate but do not falsely take credit for attacks mounted by other entities,” said Gunaratna, who, based on his study of ISIS, warned Philippine authorities of possible attacks a month before Resorts World and Marawi. (READ: ISIS planning more attacks in PH and region - terror expert)

Experts who closely track the Islamic State agree: an ISIS claim of responsibility usually means the attack might have been planned, funded and directed by ISIS or inspired by the group's sophisticated propaganda.

 ISIS claims

In its section listing its global operations for the month, "Military and Covert Operations," ISIS includes Resorts World, referring to it as "an inghimasi attack." On June 8, ISIS’ glossy magazine, Rumiyah featured Resorts World on its cover with the title: "The Jihad in East Asia."

Based on ISIS' internal files translated and analyzed by the US military's Combating Terrorism Center, an inghimasi is a "suicide fighter" or "those who submerse in enemy's line with no intent to come back alive." Its 10th edition was released in 9 languages: English, Uighur, Pashto, Kurdish, Indonesian, Bosnian, Russian, German and French, and focused on attacks on "Crusader soil" including Manchester in the United Kingdom and in Marawi in the Philippines.

This follows ISIS’ 4 claims within about 24 hours of the June 2 attack:

Two by a Filipino ISIS operative supplying news, photos and videos from Marawi;

A succinct claim on the Amaq news agency, ISIS’ news arm;

A formal communique from Nashir, seen as a direct claim by its leaders. (READ: Casino targeted with suicide attack because it's 'haram' - ISIS)

"Given that Amaq and Nashir claimed the attack as well as Rumiyah 10, there is no doubt that the Islamic State had some hand in the event," concluded TRAC's Khan.

"Often they offer details that were never released by security forces, and they have a reason to not lie," added Khan. "They would lose support if they went around claiming things they were only mildly certain of."

Gunman converted to Islam?

Philippine police released edited CCTV video of a lone gunman identified as 42-year-old Jessie Javier Carlos, a former government employee whose gambling problems alienated him from his family. Within hours of the attack, police said it was a robbery.

The video shows a man calmly walking through Resorts World setting gambling tables on fire before, finally, setting himself on fire.

On Sunday, June 4 – two days after the attack, Philippine police categorically ruled out any links to ISIS.

On June 8, the Filipino ISIS operative in Marawi posted again, claiming Carlos adopted the Muslim name “Khair” after converting to Islam 4 months earlier.
 
"Our connections in Manila 1 week before the attack we already know his plan to destroy the casino because it is HARAM and making his life difficult because of the practices of gambling by the kufar [non-believers]," reads the message.

"That is why 10 minutes after his go signal to us we already posted a 'LONEWOLF attack was conducted by the soldier of the caliphate.'"

Semion Almujaheed is the Telegram account used by this Filipino ISIS operative. It gained credibility by providing daily updates of the ongoing battles in Marawi. This account posted the photos and video of the Marawi Catholic priest held hostage on May 30, and was first to claim the Resorts World attack for ISIS within minutes of the first gunshot.

Almujaheed was also the first to refer to Carlos as a shaheed, someone who dies deliberately for his faith.

“It makes sense that a disgruntled employee with this man’s background could be vulnerable to recruitment and conversion,” said IPAC’s Sidney Jones. At this time, no evidence of radicalization or conversion exists apart from this ISIS claim. Studies do show that, among other factors like increasing alienation, as radicalism increases, family influence decreases.
 
Intelligence officials from the Philippines approached by Rappler after June 23 say they have yet to look into this ISIS claim. One said this was the first time he heard about it, echoing official sentiment.

“ISIS has no credibility,” Armed Forces of the Philippines chief General Eduardo Año texted Rappler on June 10. “It was a case of a gambling addict who was heavily indebted. He went berserk and tried to steal gambling chips. When confronted by the PNP [Philippine National Police], he realized it was too late and committed suicide.”

“When the account said he put chips in his backpack, end of story agad 'yun (That was the end of the story),” Año continued. “[A] terrorist will never do that. And he never shot at people.”

Yet, hours before his death, Carlos may have done exactly that.

On June 23, the Manila Police District said that Carlos is the only “person of interest” in the killings of two people, a lawyer and an ex-cop turned casino financier, a few hours before the Resorts World attack. Both were shot in the back of their heads inside a car. (READ: Resorts World gunman possible suspect in BMW killings – MPD)

Again, CCTV video shows a man who could be Carlos crawling out of the back of the car. If it is him, this could reinforce the theory of a man gone crazy, but could also show a possible new convert who killed before committing an act that some terrorist writings claim would cleanse his sins.

“Philippine authorities should investigate the Islamic State claim that Jessie Javier Carlos converted to Islam and was recruited by ISIS,” cautioned Gunaratna from Singapore. “Until that line of inquiry is completed, government should be careful of dismissing the ISIS claim.”

Governments lie

This isn’t the first time the Philippine government has denied terrorism: in 2004, investigators initially ruled the Superferry bombing was an accident. The details we had then at CNN, including an early claim to the attack as well as an extortion letter, allowed us to report it had the hallmarks of terrorism.

It took about 8 months before the government admitted it was a terrorist attack, the largest maritime attack in Southeast Asia, carried out by Jemaah Islamiyah, then al-Qaeda’s arm in the region. There has always been a nexus between terrorism, crime, and drugs.

“I hate to speculate what the Philippine government is thinking,” TRAC’s Khan said. “I do know in other places like Bangladesh, when the government has adamantly denied Islamic State attacks even in the face of attacks claimed, often it’s been to either try to assuage the general fear of the citizens or protect their tourism industry.”

The Bangladesh café attack in July 2016 has two things in common with the Resorts World attack:

Bangladeshi authorities blamed it on homegrown Islamist extremists, denying any link to ISIS;
It was claimed by Nashir, the only attack outside Syria it claimed that summer.
"It's well known to have been directly planned from ash Sham [Syria]," added Khan.

Vulnerable public

There are clues to what may be behind the Philippines' denial.

On June 19, an affidavit submitted to the Supreme Court said the government deliberately painted a different picture from reality because of "psychological operations" against ISIS.

To justify the declaration of martial law in Mindanao, authorities admitted government lied on May 24 when a military spokesman repeatedly said the military was in "full control" in Marawi and that "the armed men we are dealing with are not ISIS but members of a local terrorist group."

Solicitor General Jose Calida quoted Año that “there had been a directive to all AFP spokesperson and personnel to downplay any news or information pertaining to this collective group” (referring to ISIS).

These statements “were made to encourage foreign investments and maintain confidence in the Philippine economy.” (READ: AFP downplayed ISIS threat as part of psychological ops – Año)

This strategy, though, leaves the public vulnerable.

Western governments issue terrorist alert warnings for the public good. They see it as a responsibility: citizens must be aware of threats so they can protect themselves. It has a legal responsibility: for example, an American citizen caught in a terror attack could file a case against the government if it had prior knowledge of a plot and failed to inform the public.

It’s a delicate balance between the public’s right to know and national security, part of the reason terrorist alert warnings are often vaguely worded.

About a month before the Resorts World attack, ISIS claimed two consecutive weekend attacks in Manila on April 28 and May 6, both denied by Philippine officials. (READ: ISIS planning more attacks in PH and region - terror expert)

While the British government warned its citizens to avoid the Quiapo area on the same day as the May 6 blasts, the Philippine government ordered telecommunications companies to shut down cellular networks but gave no warning to its citizens.

Was this also part of psychological operations?

It becomes a crucial question after the Filipino ISIS operative's ominous warning:

"My message to the Philippine government denying the fact our soldiers conducted the attack, just wait. By Allah's permission another strike will come and believe me you will never see it coming."

PH inspiration for global jihadists

We need to examine the continuing evolution of the ideology which transformed al-Qaeda linked homegrown groups to ISIS in the Philippines. As early as 2011, we reported on the first black flag and the training camps in central Mindanao, which would later become the base of the Maute Group. (READ: ISIS’ global ambitions and plans for Southeast Asia)

“The longer term concern is that extremist ideology has taken root in the Philippines, and that will be much harder to eradicate,” said IPAC’s Jones. “There will be blowback to the rest of the region.”

“Until now the main fear has been that foreign fighters could return home from Syria and Iraq,” added Jones. “No one thought that the bigger threat would be foreign fighters who never set foot in the Middle East coming back from a conflict much closer to home.”

On January 13, 2017, the Malaysian government announced it had dismantled a Sabah cell to funnel ISIS fighters to Marawi. (READ: Filipino millennial joins ISIS in Syria)

That cell was allegedly receiving instructions from Isnilon Hapilon in the southern Philippines, the former Abu Sayyaf leader who has successfully united disparate homegrown groups and held ground in Marawi. (READ: ISIS to declare a province in Mindanao?)

In Rumiyah 10, Hapilon gains new status in ISIS’ ranks and is given a new name – with an entire section devoted to an interview with the "Emir of East Asia" Shaykh Abu "Abdullah al Muhajir."

This “elevates Hapilon’s status not only in the Pacific Rim but globally,” said TRAC’s Khan. “Hapilon seemingly has won the political battle for who will run ISIS Pacific Rim, a competition for attention from ash Sham [Syria] that has been raging for at least two years.”

This video was posted in April before the attack on Marawi and Resorts World. It plants the ISIS flag on the Philippines, and in Filipino declares, “Ang mga Sundalo ng Khilafa sa Silangang Asya” or the Islamic fighters in East Asia.

The graphics are followed by video of training and fighting in central Mindanao – including the Maute Group’s brutal beheading of two Filipino sawmill workers in April 2016.

Indonesian extremists shared the video and were pushing each other to travel to the Philippines, with one saying in a chat room, “Don’t be a lion in the virtual world and a rabbit in the real world.”

Now that chatter is global.

In the fifth week of fighting, terrorists continue to hold ground in Marawi. On July 1, the government said at least 438 people are dead, with nearly 400,000 forced to flee their homes.

“TRAC has seen evidence that the success in Marawi has the attention of Indonesian ISIS supporters and serves as an aspiration to them,” said Khan. “Even ISIS supporters in Germany have started creating German language CGI propaganda posters to celebrate the success story of Marawi City.”

“The Philippines is now acting as a catalyst for Islamic State propaganda to distract from battlefield losses in ash Sham [Syria].” – Rappler.com
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July 02, 2017, 03:40:31 PM
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Rappler is not a good news site after all so I would not believe on what you have posted.  Rappler continuously shows that it is against the government lead by President Duterte.  About the resorts world manila, the suspect is a Filipino who was a gambling addict.  This was also confirmed by ita family that it is full of debt and addicted to gambling.
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July 02, 2017, 04:21:09 PM
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Rappler is not a good news site after all so I would not believe on what you have posted.  Rappler continuously shows that it is against the government lead by President Duterte.  About the resorts world manila, the suspect is a Filipino who was a gambling addict.  This was also confirmed by ita family that it is full of debt and addicted to gambling.

We still can never be too sure. Contrary to what governments would like people to think, ISIS can be quite selective about which attack they claim to have perpetrated or at least inspired or goaded on.

The Philippine government has just admitted that around a 100 new Islamist fighters has entered the country, mostly Indonesians. Funny considering how they reacted when an Indonesian official said the same thing about a month ago in Singapore, insisting that it was not true. Either they believed it but downplayed it or they were clueless.

Any links must be investigated when there is at least a suspicion that it was a terror attack.
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July 04, 2017, 12:10:33 AM
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The only thing his family admitted was that he was a gambling addict. There was nothing said if he was a recent convert or if he had been talking with suspected Islamists. Though he was show grabbing tokens, the manner of death was a bit weird. I mean, who else would have thought of draping blankets and setting himself on fire?

The manner of death sort of reminded me of the suicide in Tunisia that started the Arab Spring.
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July 04, 2017, 05:11:29 AM
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I am confused. At first I though that it was a terrorist incident and the perpetrator was a Muslim. The ISIS even claimed responsibility for the attack. But later, the Philippine authorities clarified that the perpetrator was a Christian and the incident was not related to Islamic terrorism. Now someone is again saying that the perpetrator was a Muslim. Whom we should believe now?

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July 04, 2017, 05:33:15 PM
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Wouldn't doubt that a governmental regime that's trying to take down the drug trade through sheer killing and death is going to be able to lie about a couple things to be able to make themselves look better, I wouldn't even doubt that they're going to be lying about certain drug traders that they're killing to be able to gain public support when it comes to such a controversial topic. Though people like me have a tough time looking at this, as I'm from a Western nation that wouldn't allow anything like this to ever happen.

It's insane to think about it, but if you really think about how it it must've been to be able for them to elect someone that is open about doing deeds like this-- they must've been hurting pretty bad in the country, sucks.




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July 04, 2017, 06:26:24 PM
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I am confused. At first I though that it was a terrorist incident and the perpetrator was a Muslim. The ISIS even claimed responsibility for the attack. But later, the Philippine authorities clarified that the perpetrator was a Christian and the incident was not related to Islamic terrorism. Now someone is again saying that the perpetrator was a Muslim. Whom we should believe now?
What i heard was that the incident wasn't based on terrorism at all, but it was rather a robbery attempt, and i think we have had many scenarios of ISIS taking responsibility for attacks they had no idea of at all.

 
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July 04, 2017, 07:06:48 PM
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When it comes to the issue of government one of the qualities one wants to look out for is how they manage information. The populace are always eager for the truth but in actual fact they are not ready for the truth because most times the truth always cause more harm than good and also because of their own selfish agenda, they keep the truth from the public. In this case, it could be true that the Philippine government lied but then in other to really decide whether its right or wrong there is need to understand the basis for such conclusion.
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When it comes to the issue of government one of the qualities one wants to look out for is how they manage information. The populace are always eager for the truth but in actual fact they are not ready for the truth because most times the truth always cause more harm than good and also because of their own selfish agenda, they keep the truth from the public. In this case, it could be true that the Philippine government lied but then in other to really decide whether its right or wrong there is need to understand the basis for such conclusion.

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,we don't know it yet, even if you provide evidences about their lies and their corruption we still can't accuse them, anyway if they were doing bad things in th country, i still believe in karma and it is still up to them if they are doing those kind of evil things to have poweror because of greed.
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To know the news is true what not, we have to look from different sources, that's my opinion
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I am confused. At first I though that it was a terrorist incident and the perpetrator was a Muslim. The ISIS even claimed responsibility for the attack. But later, the Philippine authorities clarified that the perpetrator was a Christian and the incident was not related to Islamic terrorism. Now someone is again saying that the perpetrator was a Muslim. Whom we should believe now?
What i heard was that the incident wasn't based on terrorism at all, but it was rather a robbery attempt, and i think we have had many scenarios of ISIS taking responsibility for attacks they had no idea of at all.

If it was a robbery attempt, then why the perpetrator burnt all the casino tokens and killed people indiscriminately instead of fleeing? I have my own doubts. There is something fishy in the way the attacker behaved.

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Rappler is nothing but fake news accussing the philippine government without backing it up with facts is nothing but lies. Clearly rappler is a paid news site and against the president duterte, according to the national media was a gambler at the casino but he got broke and spend all his money into gambling then his wife including children left him because of his bad habit and addiction to gambling. He even has million peso debt in banks and was banned for loaning further. So that's why when all seems lost his only option is to take revenge to the casino that for him who stole his money and robbed it but the casino token was not credible from outside use to in the end he burned it and tried to open the vault but failed. In the end he killed himself by burning his body, that's the true and legit news.

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Rappler is nothing but fake news accussing the philippine government without backing it up with facts is nothing but lies. Clearly rappler is a paid news site and against the president duterte, according to the national media was a gambler at the casino but he got broke and spend all his money into gambling then his wife including children left him because of his bad habit and addiction to gambling. He even has million peso debt in banks and was banned for loaning further. So that's why when all seems lost his only option is to take revenge to the casino that for him who stole his money and robbed it but the casino token was not credible from outside use to in the end he burned it and tried to open the vault but failed. In the end he killed himself by burning his body, that's the true and legit news.

I totally agree with you!  You cannot trust news that came from a this paid news site.  All it did is to tell all fake news and maybe to destabilize the current administration because the current administration is not corrupt and anti oligarchs.  All their news were fake and it was all against the current government.  They all see the wrong side but not even bother to report the good things the government has been doing for this past year.  I unfollowed this news site after seeing that they are not really for the people but for their own benefit.
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To know the news is true what not, we have to look from different sources, that's my opinion

Sometimes every news that we listen and watch is not accurate on the true story. Other might add and edit something on the news to become more interesting to everyone.

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To know the news is true what not, we have to look from different sources, that's my opinion

Well this is always going to be true of news, you're going to have to know how to work with all of the sources and evidence given to be able to work together what the unbiased news is (even if that isn't really real in the end-game)


To know the news is true what not, we have to look from different sources, that's my opinion

Sometimes every news that we listen and watch is not accurate on the true story. Other might add and edit something on the news to become more interesting to everyone.

News may do this? All news companies are funded to play a certain way on issues, it's bound to happen. People just have to understand this so they're not caught up in  the lies and the bullshit.

But moving back onto the subject, who knows if they were the ones to be lying though I feel there has to be some corruption when you're getting rid of drug cartels through the means of full on violence.




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To know the news is true what not, we have to look from different sources, that's my opinion

Sometimes every news that we listen and watch is not accurate on the true story. Other might add and edit something on the news to become more interesting to everyone.

If the information remains classified, then the media can do little about it. Either they don't know what happened, or they are too afraid to publish the truth. I just hope that the truth will come out in the future.

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We are all never know what the truth it is. It's just a news and there is nothing proof. Social media now a days is very harmful
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We are all never know what the truth it is. It's just a news and there is nothing proof. Social media now a days is very harmful

Yeah, we don't need to trust them, niether they have proof , sometimes news are paid , so it's hard if we believe them ,it is difficult if we believe in them especially without adequate basis. Just think from different happen if it's true or not.
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