ELI5: Is DASH as anonymous as Monero?

[firstTC]

I'm new to the DASH and already a big fan of it. Many people says DASH is anonymous via Darksend but many others says there's only one totally anonymous currency with 100% privacy and that's the Monero.
Could someone explain to me in details what's the diffrence between the two mixing methods and why one is better that the other whichever it is? Also, why can't the other coin use that same mixing method? Thanks!

[jawatulen]

I'm new to the DASH and already a big fan of it. Many people says DASH is anonymous via Darksend but many others says there's only one totally anonymous currency with 100% privacy and that's the Monero.
Could someone explain to me in details what's the diffrence between the two mixing methods and why one is better that the other whichever it is? Also, why can't the other coin use that same mixing method? Thanks!

Both are good and anonymous 
you can read this, i hope i can help
https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/112/how-is-monero-compared-to-dash

[ranreichman]

Monero and Zcash are inherently private, Dash can be private in some situations but isn't necessarily private. See here: https://themerkle.com/pivx-vs-zcash-vs-monero-vs-dash/

[Pucchin Pudding]

This link helped me make my decision.

Oh also, the answer is Monero.

https://moneroforcash.com/monero-vs-dash-vs-zcash-vs-bitcoinmixers.php

[pynetx]

in short Monero is more anonymous than Dash.

[noobtrader]

http://www.monerolink.com/


Dash was never been deanonimized like that.

[Pistachier]

Dash is only a fork of Bitcoin, and offers a relatively good privacy when sending. On the other hand, Monero is totally written from scratch, and offer, according to me, a better privacy, more complete.

[obit33]

http://www.monerolink.com/


Dash was never been deanonimized like that.

There's a nice rebuttal to that research here: https://getmonero.org/2017/04/19/an-unofficial-response-to-an-empirical-analysis-of-linkability.html

btw, DASH isn't cryptographically sound at all:
- cryptographer Andrew Poelstra: https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/29471/are-there-any-true-anonymous-cryptocurrencies : And by the way, Dash (formerly Darkcoin) does not provide anonymity. They attached a (broken) implementation of CoinJoin to the ordinary Bitcoin client, and at least initially released it as a closed-source software. I haven't looked into Anoncoin, but the best advice I have for folks looking into altcoins is to assume they are uninteresting (and probably dangerously broken) until someone has demonstrated a concrete technical innovation.
- cryptographer Gregory Maxwell: https://youtu.be/LHPYNZ8i1cU --> 34:11: "Dash isn't cryptographically private at all...it's snakeoil and I'm just sort of beside myself about it, personally." Note that the whole room at coinbase is laughing at Dash...
- Peter Todd: https://twitter.com/petertoddbtc/status/622022840330682368 --> .@TheRektoning Without a doubt I'd choose @monerocurrency over @Dashpay - the latter is snakeoil, the former genuine crypto.

The response is always the same: everyone is a dash-hater, a troll, etc... https://www.dashforcenews.com/5-biggest-dash-haters-cryptocurrency/  --> see how this reply to criticism differs from the reply of the monero-community to the monerolink-paper (cited above)?

Dash is a well oiled marketing machine, but that's about it... They tell you nice stories, but they're mostly lies, they have a beautiful girl trying to sell their 'product', hell, they even pay people to open a dash-wallet (https://www.dashforcenews.com/firstdashwallet-brings-scores-new-users-dash/). Their reddit is very heavily moderated (shadow banning, autobaning on the use of certain words etc).

Also watch this: https://youtu.be/fVLevzdg0bs ... Dash is a disaster waiting to happen.

best regards,

[noobtrader]

despite all the fud toward Dash privatesend, none of them has actually deanonimize a single Dash tx...  

btw Monero solution toward their deanonimization is a trainwrex, it makes their blockhain even more bloated than Btc.

[arbitrage]

Dash is way behind the Monero in every aspect, from beginning Dash was good try, for something we recognized in Monero. Currently there is no better coin that can you provide more anonymity. I see some tries in Cloak coin team and Zen team but they need a lot of time to prove themselves, and Dash cannot compare even with them..

[obit33]

despite all the fud toward Dash...

yeah... these world renowned and respected cryptographers are all just fudsters and dash-haterz... yeah, that's probably it...

I'll cite Poelstra again: @vertoe The link you posted says that DarkSend+ is closed source. I am not in the business of auditing amateur secret-algorithm cryptography for free. Everyone else in this thread who has asked that I give more personal attention to this project (whose current incarnation, and every incarnation before that, has raised serious red flags, right down to their decision to fork Bitcoin in order to implement CoinJoin), the answer is no.
link: https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/29471/are-there-any-true-anonymous-cryptocurrencies

I wonder though, with all the budget Dash has, why not ask for the cryptography to be peerreviewed (and I don't mean some internet security researcher like Atlas, but a real vetted cryptographic peerreview). Dash throws heaps and heaps of money at marketing, failed lamassu's, and what not... but a peerreview, that would be too much I guess...  But I understand, sometimes it's really hard to look into the mirror, and see the truth... Go ahead, make the proposal, Dash has a budget of 1.2million$ a month now... A well vetted peerreview would be an excellent counter-argument against all the supposed 'fud and hate'.


Btw, here's some information about monero blockchainbloat: https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/432/are-criticisms-of-moneros-blockchain-bloat-substantiated
See how I didn't counter this by calling you a 'fudder/hater'... see how that goes?

best regards,

[noobtrader]

tldr...

Xmr is bloated but its okay... because even younger Eth is more bloated LOLL   

guess what ? ETH is soon moving into POS,  by moving into POS means average Joe has incentives to run full node. 
XMR by comparison give no incentives for average Joe to run full node. so in the long run, the bloated xmr  node will be centralized.

[obit33]

tldr...

Xmr is bloated but its okay... because even younger Eth is more bloated LOLL   

guess what ? ETH is soon moving into POS,  by moving into POS means average Joe has incentives to run full node. 
XMR by comparison give no incentives for average Joe to run full node. so in the long run, the bloated xmr  node will be centralized.

LOL, pathetic...

Xmr is bloated relative to bitcoin, for now that is OK indeed. How much does one TB of diskspace cost? I don't think that is the limitation, the limitation might be bandwith, but we'll have to see. Contrary to other coins who are just smoke and mirrors and marketing xmr is actively looking for a solution: https://forum.getmonero.org/8/funding-required/87652/hire-phd-mathematician-to-look-into-post-quantum-crypto-zk-protocols-blockchain-bloat, there's also some pruning in boolberry and aeon which might be possible for xmr... See how that goes, actually trying to find solutions for problems instead of trying to sell your coin to the next gullible fool. Also andrew Poelstra is working on mimblewimble, very interesting stuff, you should check it out... though I gotta say, it's open source and all, and there's no marketing and all, you might not like it...

I don't believe POS is a viable long term alternative by the way: https://download.wpsoftware.net/bitcoin/pos.pdf You should read up on it.

Anyway, got a tldr for you too:
"I can't answer any criticism about Dash, so I yell 'FUD' and when getting called out for that I deflect to another coin... I'm your classical dash fanboy who has no technical background whatsoever (mind you, I'm a technical ultranoob and you engage me with crap arguments even I can prick in a second) and doesn't actually understand what crypto is all about. I fall for cheap marketing tricks and pump & dump schemes and think that makes me smart cuz my beans went up in fiat-value"


again, pathetic...

best regards,

[que91]

Dash is only a fork of Bitcoin, and offers a relatively good privacy when sending. On the other hand, Monero is totally written from scratch, and offer, according to me, a better privacy, more complete.

Really? With my knowledge about Monero, this is a folk and improved version fix all bugs from Bytecoin (BCN). But in present, I agree Monero better than Dash about privacy, anonymous and bussiness. As far as me know Dash just starting technology make Dash anonymous in 2017 and this project will develop in 2018, can't compare with Monero have a community user from UG and online shopping

[trumper]

Why anonymity is needed if there is no criminal activity? I don't understand it ?

[Ayers]

Why anonymity is needed if there is no criminal activity? I don't understand it ?

to keep privacy and to evade taxation i think lol, but monero is more anonymous than dash, dash use darksend which is a bit centralized, monero use ring signature, which is on par with zero knowledge proof of zcash

[mrfreezeh]

Why anonymity is needed if there is no criminal activity? I don't understand it ?

Example when you have a huge money want send to a people with bank, you need prove this money is fresh and not from hacked or for reason money laundering. But the main reason need privacy and anonymous are from UG, tax evasion, avoid the control by goverment ...

[noobtrader]

hehehe...
im talking about eth exactly because its what written in your link.
however im totally enjoy your appeal to authority and numerous logical fallacy, and i find it interesting that you totally neglect the fact that Xmr has been deanonimized http://www.monerolink.com/

while Dash was never been deanonimized like that. 

btw dont you ever heard that oversimplifying problem doesnt make the problem any simpler ?

Xmr is bloated relative to bitcoin, for now that is OK indeed. How much does one TB of diskspace cost? I don't think that is the limitation, the limitation might be bandwith, but we'll have to see.

 

tldr...

Xmr is bloated but its okay... because even younger Eth is more bloated LOLL   

guess what ? ETH is soon moving into POS,  by moving into POS means average Joe has incentives to run full node. 
XMR by comparison give no incentives for average Joe to run full node. so in the long run, the bloated xmr  node will be centralized.

LOL, pathetic...

Xmr is bloated relative to bitcoin, for now that is OK indeed. How much does one TB of diskspace cost? I don't think that is the limitation, the limitation might be bandwith, but we'll have to see. Contrary to other coins who are just smoke and mirrors and marketing xmr is actively looking for a solution: https://forum.getmonero.org/8/funding-required/87652/hire-phd-mathematician-to-look-into-post-quantum-crypto-zk-protocols-blockchain-bloat, there's also some pruning in boolberry and aeon which might be possible for xmr... See how that goes, actually trying to find solutions for problems instead of trying to sell your coin to the next gullible fool. Also andrew Poelstra is working on mimblewimble, very interesting stuff, you should check it out... though I gotta say, it's open source and all, and there's no marketing and all, you might not like it...

I don't believe POS is a viable long term alternative by the way: https://download.wpsoftware.net/bitcoin/pos.pdf You should read up on it.

Anyway, got a tldr for you too:
"I can't answer any criticism about Dash, so I yell 'FUD' and when getting called out for that I deflect to another coin... I'm your classical dash fanboy who has no technical background whatsoever (mind you, I'm a technical ultranoob and you engage me with crap arguments even I can prick in a second) and doesn't actually understand what crypto is all about. I fall for cheap marketing tricks and pump & dump schemes and think that makes me smart cuz my beans went up in fiat-value"


again, pathetic...

best regards,

[obit33]

however im totally enjoy your appeal to authority and numerous logical fallacy, and i find it interesting that you totally neglect the fact that Xmr has been deanonimized http://www.monerolink.com/

I didn't ignore that, I posted a rebuttal: https://getmonero.org/2017/04/19/an-unofficial-response-to-an-empirical-analysis-of-linkability.html

when will Dash be peerreviewed? ah, right, noone cares about Dash enough to review...

[arbitrage]

Most interesting questions are what do we need privacy at all? Probably because people are so accustomed to cameras and surveillance that there is no point to push them something different.
By the way Bitcoin as idea was privacy at the first place.
Why do we need Monero, because Bitcoin failed to gave us privacy.