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May 09, 2013, 08:21:34 PM
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#DEFCAD is going dark at the request of the SOS Department of Defense Trade Controls. Some shapes are more dangerous than others.

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DEFCAD files are being removed from public access at the request of the US Department of Defense Trade Controls.
Until further notice, the United States government claims control of the information.

Forbes Article:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/05/09/state-department-demands-takedown-of-3d-printable-gun-for-possible-export-control-violation/

On Thursday, Defense Distributed founder Cody Wilson received a letter from the State Department Office of Defense Trade Controls Compliance demanding that he take down the online blueprints for the 3D-printable “Liberator” handgun that his group released Monday, along with nine other 3D-printable firearms components hosted on the group’s website Defcad.org. The government says it wants to review the files for compliance with arms export control laws known as the International Traffic in Arms Regulations, or ITAR. By uploading the weapons files to the Internet and allowing them to be downloaded abroad, the letter implies Wilson’s high-tech gun group may have violated those export controls.
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May 09, 2013, 08:26:06 PM
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Wow.

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May 09, 2013, 08:33:54 PM
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Can't take down their BTC address...

Defense Distributed/DefCad.org:
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May 09, 2013, 08:36:15 PM
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Yeah, it's WAY too late:
Magnet link for the Liberator pistol:
Code:
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:0ad7b4f1833e01a3f2fa5613d8fc46de622339ac&dn=DefDist+Defcad+Liberator+Printable+Gun&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3A80&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.publicbt.com%3A80&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.istole.it%3A6969&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.ccc.de%3A80
Magnet link for Mega Pack 4.2 (Saito) (everything else):
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magnet:?xt=urn:btih:C862F0D031E575384ACC6BACC2BE7D705666D5BF&dn=DefDist_DEFCAD_MEGA_PACK_v4.2_%28Saito%29&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3a80%2fannounce&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.publicbt.com%3a80%2fannounce&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.ccc.de%3a80%2fannounce
edit: It was brought to my attention that SMF treats all links like http:// If you want them, you'll have to copy and paste into your torrent grabber of choice, sorry.

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May 09, 2013, 10:20:26 PM
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The horse is gone!  Shut the gate!

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May 09, 2013, 10:32:21 PM
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Now all they have to do is send take-down notices to the 100k+ people who downloaded these guns.  What a waste of trees, anyway.

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May 09, 2013, 10:50:15 PM
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The horse is gone!  Shut the gate!
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But as serious weapon 3D printing is not practical. Firearm must be reliable to fire tens of thousands of rounds. It must not break when dropped or grabbed by enemy in close quarter combat.

Sharing blueprints of real guns is the way to go. Maybe initially optimized designs like Sten SMG or Makarov PM. Then someone with right tools and materials can make copies.
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May 09, 2013, 11:28:03 PM
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But as serious weapon 3D printing is not practical.

At the moment. 3D printing is a rapidly advancing technology.

These files are already out there and hundreds of thousands of computers. Not to even mention how many torrents or 3rd party server downloads have been created for them as well. I think this is more for show than anything else (kind of like the megaupload fiasco), they just want to kick somebody in the balls and scare everybody else involved.
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May 09, 2013, 11:56:29 PM
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But as serious weapon 3D printing is not practical. Firearm must be reliable to fire tens of thousands of rounds. It must not break when dropped or grabbed by enemy in close quarter combat.

A disarmed populace doesn't need a gun capable of firing tens of thousands of rounds. They don't need a gun sturdy enough to use in close quarters combat. They don't need a gun accurate enough to kill a man at a thousand yards.

They just need a gun good enough to get a gun like that.

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Just to illustrate how ridiculous this whole thing is, this was specifically mentioned in the take-down letter:


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May 10, 2013, 02:49:08 AM
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But as serious weapon 3D printing is not practical. Firearm must be reliable to fire tens of thousands of rounds. It must not break when dropped or grabbed by enemy in close quarter combat.

Sharing blueprints of real guns is the way to go. Maybe initially optimized designs like Sten SMG or Makarov PM. Then someone with right tools and materials can make copies.

I'm not so sure about that. Yes, "real" guns are certainly much better long term.

But perhaps the question should be more something like this:

Could John Wilkes Booth have used this effectively?


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May 10, 2013, 06:14:01 AM
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Sounds like a job for Tor.
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May 10, 2013, 06:29:56 AM
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He can still provide the data to US citizens.

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May 10, 2013, 12:10:43 PM
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Too bad it doesn't matter, the files are all over everywhere already. Pirate Bay has still not fallen to government scrutiny after spending millions, so...

Open Source is our weapon against oppression, and now that we have moved P2P from simple file sharing into directly messing with money and weapons on the same principals: welcome to the new paradigm. Pretty cool to see this all evolve from the ground floor.

But as serious weapon 3D printing is not practical. Firearm must be reliable to fire tens of thousands of rounds. It must not break when dropped or grabbed by enemy in close quarter combat.

Sharing blueprints of real guns is the way to go. Maybe initially optimized designs like Sten SMG or Makarov PM. Then someone with right tools and materials can make copies.

I'm not so sure about that. Yes, "real" guns are certainly much better long term.

But perhaps the question should be more something like this:

Could John Wilkes Booth have used this effectively?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZRUpmMIQy8

DefDist already has a working full auto. The first had problems with the receiver cracking after a few rounds. Realizing they are not made of metal they beefed it up considerably, and can now make it through several clips. This is just the first one

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May 10, 2013, 12:32:36 PM
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But as serious weapon 3D printing is not practical. Firearm must be reliable to fire tens of thousands of rounds. It must not break when dropped or grabbed by enemy in close quarter combat.

Sharing blueprints of real guns is the way to go. Maybe initially optimized designs like Sten SMG or Makarov PM. Then someone with right tools and materials can make copies.

I'm not so sure about that. Yes, "real" guns are certainly much better long term.

But perhaps the question should be more something like this:

Could John Wilkes Booth have used this effectively?




Bingo. 

Nothing like something one-time-use lethal to kill your least favorite rich person or politician.


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But as serious weapon 3D printing is not practical. Firearm must be reliable to fire tens of thousands of rounds. It must not break when dropped or grabbed by enemy in close quarter combat.

Sharing blueprints of real guns is the way to go. Maybe initially optimized designs like Sten SMG or Makarov PM. Then someone with right tools and materials can make copies.

I'm not so sure about that. Yes, "real" guns are certainly much better long term.

But perhaps the question should be more something like this:

Could John Wilkes Booth have used this effectively?




Bingo. 

Nothing like something one-time-use lethal to kill your least favorite rich person or politician.


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The 2nd amendment is not about killing the person you don't like, rich or poor. You can simply use a shank made from a spoon like in any prison for that.

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May 10, 2013, 12:53:36 PM
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We can now add 3d-printing as one of the new Internet-based technologies that are eroding the power of the state.

The other Internet technologies that have contributed to that are:
- blogs/alternative media
- file-sharing
- cryptocurrencies

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May 10, 2013, 01:09:04 PM
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DefDist already has a working full auto. The first had problems with the receiver cracking after a few rounds. Realizing they are not made of metal they beefed it up considerably, and can now make it through several clips. This is just the first one

I want to point out, as this is a huge misunderstanding in the current US gun control debate, an AR-15 is semi-automatic, not fully automatic.

A fully automatic fires repeatedly with one pull of the trigger; aka a 'machine gun'.  These have been generally banned since the 1986 Firearms Owners' Protection Act was passed at the federal level.

Semi-automatic weapons fire one shot each time you pull the trigger without needing to be manually reloaded or reset.  Most guns are semi-automatic, with the exception of muzzle-loaders, bolt-action, single-shot, and some revolvers.
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DefDist already has a working full auto. The first had problems with the receiver cracking after a few rounds. Realizing they are not made of metal they beefed it up considerably, and can now make it through several clips. This is just the first one

I want to point out, as this is a huge misunderstanding in the current US gun control debate, an AR-15 is semi-automatic, not fully automatic.

A fully automatic fires repeatedly with one pull of the trigger; aka a 'machine gun'.  These have been generally banned since the 1986 Firearms Owners' Protection Act was passed at the federal level.

Semi-automatic weapons fire one shot each time you pull the trigger without needing to be manually reloaded or reset.  Most guns are semi-automatic, with the exception of muzzle-loaders, bolt-action, single-shot, and some revolvers.

Absolutely correct (been up too long...)

I suppose more my point was simply there is already a big brother of the Liberator being developed. I'm curious why the Feds are only now freaking out, since the receiver has been around a while already. The receiver still counts as a gun which is why DefDist went through the steps to be recognized as a legal weapons manufacturer in the 'States.

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May 10, 2013, 05:07:23 PM
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I would by the way recommend, if you are seeding those, not to do this when NOT behind a foreign VPN or Tor.

If it is easy to find someone that downloads movies... take my guess.

Still, I don't know why you should actually own these things, but that is kind of an american thing.
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May 10, 2013, 05:33:15 PM
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Still, I don't know why you should actually own these things, but that is kind of an american thing.

"The right to buy weapons is the right to be free" - A. E. van Vogt

One would imagine the right to make weapons would be even more the right to be free.

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