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July 06, 2017, 04:42:00 AM
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There appear to be (legitimate) sellers of bitcoin on ebay.
If you are one of these people, I'm curious:
1. Most important, how the hell do you protect yourself from scammers? Buyers are 100% protected when buying virtual items. With 6 months to issue a chargeback on items purchased, this seems like a terrible platform.
2. Is it possible to avoid using paypal to buy/sell bitcoin on ebay? This would seem like the easiest way to avoid scams, simply using a different payment method would wipe out 99% of the scammers overnight.
3. A ebay final listing fee of 10% + paypal fee of 3.9%+30 cents makes it a little tough to sell. Is it still profitable after this and the constant monitoring for scams?

I'm not looking for opinions on whether this is a good idea or bad(looks like a haven for scammers, I agree). I'm looking for people who have done this with some success.


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July 06, 2017, 11:07:28 AM
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I'd be cautious, even if they don't scam you the providence of their BTC might be dubious.

Why don't they sell on an exchange?  Perhaps they acquired their Bitcoins via illegal means.  Do you want the blockchain showing you as the new owner of those coins?

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July 06, 2017, 11:16:53 AM
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I'd be cautious, even if they don't scam you the providence of their BTC might be dubious.

Why don't they sell on an exchange?  Perhaps they acquired their Bitcoins via illegal means.  Do you want the blockchain showing you as the new owner of those coins?

Same argument can be given about the FIAT in your pocket... Is it possible that $10 bill was once used in a sting operation to capture a drugdealer? Maybe it's marked? Maybe it has traces of cocaine?

https://themerkle.com/what-is-bitcoin-fungibility/

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July 07, 2017, 08:51:00 AM
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I'd be cautious, even if they don't scam you the providence of their BTC might be dubious.

Why don't they sell on an exchange?  Perhaps they acquired their Bitcoins via illegal means.  Do you want the blockchain showing you as the new owner of those coins?

Same argument can be given about the FIAT in your pocket... Is it possible that $10 bill was once used in a sting operation to capture a drugdealer? Maybe it's marked? Maybe it has traces of cocaine?

https://themerkle.com/what-is-bitcoin-fungibility/

True, but the only person who is going to be looking at that FIAT is the guy at the store you use to buy $10 worth of groceries from.  Even if the authorities somehow figured out you withdrew that $10 from an ATM they aren't going to hold it against you.

The full force and strength of international law enforcement has the ability to look at the blockchain.  Unfortunately they are likely to suspect (possibly unreasonably) that because you received the BTC from a scoundrel, that you must be a scoundrel yourself.

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July 07, 2017, 04:17:07 PM
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I'd be cautious, even if they don't scam you the providence of their BTC might be dubious.

Why don't they sell on an exchange?  Perhaps they acquired their Bitcoins via illegal means.  Do you want the blockchain showing you as the new owner of those coins?

Same argument can be given about the FIAT in your pocket... Is it possible that $10 bill was once used in a sting operation to capture a drugdealer? Maybe it's marked? Maybe it has traces of cocaine?

https://themerkle.com/what-is-bitcoin-fungibility/

True, but the only person who is going to be looking at that FIAT is the guy at the store you use to buy $10 worth of groceries from.  Even if the authorities somehow figured out you withdrew that $10 from an ATM they aren't going to hold it against you.
Bitcoin, much like fiat, can be used for illegal activity.  A huge amount of cash has been used for shady activities, and the same applies to Bitcoin.  To blame the person who receives the transaction would be absurd.  In fact, if they were to do this then they wouldn't just blame you, but any merchants that you send BTC to as well.
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The full force and strength of international law enforcement has the ability to look at the blockchain.  Unfortunately they are likely to suspect (possibly unreasonably) that because you received the BTC from a scoundrel, that you must be a scoundrel yourself.
There's absolutely no reason for them to assume this.  If they find the address of the criminal, they will attempt to track the coins in order to find any other illegal activities that the criminal was taking part in.  It only matters if:

-The criminal was sending to sites such as Alpha Bay and using the coins for crime;
-The criminal was sending to their own wallets, in which case the authorities may attempt to seize the coins.

Even in the unlikely scenario that they bothered trying really hard and they tracked the coins to an individual, they would not arrest you - all you have to do is show them eBay where you bought the coins from and explain why you did so.
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November 27, 2017, 03:54:44 AM
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I'd be cautious, even if they don't scam you the providence of their BTC might be dubious.

Why don't they sell on an exchange?  Perhaps they acquired their Bitcoins via illegal means.  Do you want the blockchain showing you as the new owner of those coins?

Same argument can be given about the FIAT in your pocket... Is it possible that $10 bill was once used in a sting operation to capture a drugdealer? Maybe it's marked? Maybe it has traces of cocaine?

https://themerkle.com/what-is-bitcoin-fungibility/

True, but the only person who is going to be looking at that FIAT is the guy at the store you use to buy $10 worth of groceries from.  Even if the authorities somehow figured out you withdrew that $10 from an ATM they aren't going to hold it against you.
Bitcoin, much like fiat, can be used for illegal activity.  A huge amount of cash has been used for shady activities, and the same applies to Bitcoin.  To blame the person who receives the transaction would be absurd.  In fact, if they were to do this then they wouldn't just blame you, but any merchants that you send BTC to as well.
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The full force and strength of international law enforcement has the ability to look at the blockchain.  Unfortunately they are likely to suspect (possibly unreasonably) that because you received the BTC from a scoundrel, that you must be a scoundrel yourself.
There's absolutely no reason for them to assume this.  If they find the address of the criminal, they will attempt to track the coins in order to find any other illegal activities that the criminal was taking part in.  It only matters if:

-The criminal was sending to sites such as Alpha Bay and using the coins for crime;
-The criminal was sending to their own wallets, in which case the authorities may attempt to seize the coins.

Even in the unlikely scenario that they bothered trying really hard and they tracked the coins to an individual, they would not arrest you - all you have to do is show them eBay where you bought the coins from and explain why you did so.
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November 27, 2017, 04:17:53 AM
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It is a bad idea trying to buy bitcoin on ebay. A lot of people have been scammed big time in that platform when trying to buy bitcoin. It is way too risky, reason been that you are not protected and anybody can auction anything in ebay, with fake sells background.

Why not try the bitcoin selling platform like localbitcoin, paxful or even some exchange sites like gemini, coinmama and so.
I must add, if you intend buying from localbitcoin or paxful, please be extremely careful , check for feedbacks, a lot of people are also scamming people there.
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November 27, 2017, 10:03:49 PM
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I'd be cautious, even if they don't scam you the providence of their BTC might be dubious.

Why don't they sell on an exchange?  Perhaps they acquired their Bitcoins via illegal means.  Do you want the blockchain showing you as the new owner of those coins?

Same argument can be given about the FIAT in your pocket... Is it possible that $10 bill was once used in a sting operation to capture a drugdealer? Maybe it's marked? Maybe it has traces of cocaine?

https://themerkle.com/what-is-bitcoin-fungibility/

I mean but like, this is a bit different. As when you're getting Bitcoins those Bitcoins can be more easily marked and 'tainted' rather then an actual dollar bill can. My view on that is that you don't want to get flagged by people due to the Bitcoins that you have, which you may not know where used for massively fraudulent things.

And I know a good bit of people that did this, sell on ebay, and it's a haven for people to buy Bitcoins with stolen credit cards -- it's horrible as you deliver the Bitcoin and then people go ahead and say that you never gave it to them. And everyone on here knows that Paypal and Ebay are satan spawn so they're pretty horrid to try to work with.

Look at that, now you lost your Bitcoin to some ebay shmuck.

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November 27, 2017, 10:32:55 PM
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I'd be cautious, even if they don't scam you the providence of their BTC might be dubious.

Why don't they sell on an exchange?  Perhaps they acquired their Bitcoins via illegal means.  Do you want the blockchain showing you as the new owner of those coins?

Same argument can be given about the FIAT in your pocket... Is it possible that $10 bill was once used in a sting operation to capture a drugdealer? Maybe it's marked? Maybe it has traces of cocaine?

https://themerkle.com/what-is-bitcoin-fungibility/
It's different with bitcoin, where the provenance is known with certainty.  The same cannot be said for dollar bills unless they're marked.  Yeah, I'd be concerned about receiving bitcoin from a kiddy porn operation or some such, but that's just me.

If you're a seller, I'd stay way far away from eBay.  I don't even know how eBay allows crypto sales there--I really thought they didn't, but I've seen not only bitcoin but tons of other cryptos being sold.  Weird.  And I'm sure people are doing chargebacks left and right.  My question is, is PayPal allowing scammers to successfully do a chargeback?  We all know it's the worst way to buy crypto on bitcointalk, but I'm wondering if eBay is running into the same scammers there.

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