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Question: Would you consider yourself a...
Liberal/Democrat/"Left" - 4 (8.3%)
Minarchist Libertarian - 4 (8.3%)
Anarcho-Capitalist Libertarian - 21 (43.8%)
Anarchist/Left-Libertarian - 8 (16.7%)
Conservative/Republican/"Right" - 2 (4.2%)
None of the Above (specify in thread) - 7 (14.6%)
Socialist - 2 (4.2%)
Total Voters: 46

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December 09, 2010, 10:01:52 PM
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Socialism can not be libertarian.


This is true enough, but a libertarian can be a socialist; just not a statist.  If the socialist order is non-coercive, any libertarian should be fine with it's existance, even if he doesn't agree that it's an ideal social order.  A fine example is a hippie co-op type farm, wherein adults not related to one another agree to live in a communal fashion.  History and reason both tell us that these adventures aren't sustainable, but that's irrelevant.  Another example is an 'intentional community', or even an extended family living together in the same household.  It's the idea that the social fabric of a happy homelife can be extended to the whole of society that drives the 'feeling' youth towards the socialist worldview.  Children who grow up in dysfunctional families are much less likely to fall for that crap.

"The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."

- Carroll Quigley, CFR member, mentor to Bill Clinton, from 'Tragedy And Hope'
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December 10, 2010, 06:49:31 AM
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I guess it depends on how you define it whether communes work.  There are a number of small religious communities that I think could fairly be associated with that sort of commune.  Notably the Hutterites, who live in colonies, mostly in western canada, and run huge farms communally.  The key is that for that sort of social relationship to work, people need to feel a stable social relationship with each individual in the group.  This is why the hutterite colonies never exceed about 250 people.  I'm sure there are various mennonite sects that have similar strategies.  Outside of the commune capitalism is the best way to go. This is the same as the way people deal with their close friends and family.

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December 12, 2010, 01:14:05 PM
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Hmmm

Objectivist, but without the chain smoking.

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