PNY is salty about mining. Changed their Warranty details.

[Juggar]

nvidia bios are encrypted.  Good luck modifying them.

Not like it matters, its super easy to get 30 mhs out of a 1070 anyway. Just increase mem clock to like +700 or whatever the card can handle. So much easier than trash AMD cards.

Thank you based Nvidia.

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[poisson]

nvidia bios are encrypted.  Good luck modifying them.

Not like it matters, its super easy to get 30 mhs out of a 1070 anyway. Just increase mem clock to like +700 or whatever the card can handle. So much easier than trash AMD cards.

Thank you based Nvidia.

I would hope so if I paid almost twice the price of a 570. Sounds like you're trying to justify your purchase because all the AMD cards were out of stock. Or you couldn't figure out how to flash a bios and get 29 Mh/s stable.

[Juggar]

nvidia bios are encrypted.  Good luck modifying them.

Not like it matters, its super easy to get 30 mhs out of a 1070 anyway. Just increase mem clock to like +700 or whatever the card can handle. So much easier than trash AMD cards.

Thank you based Nvidia.

I would hope so if I paid almost twice the price of a 570. Sounds like you're trying to justify your purchase because all the AMD cards were out of stock. Or you couldn't figure out how to flash a bios and get 29 Mh/s stable.

Uh dude I sold all my RX cards for $400+ on ebay each and bought 1070's for less than $400 each. This was as soon as the RX Dag issue info came out. Sorry you got stuck with those RX cards.

For those of us business savvy we made out like bandits off of idiots buying RX cards at a huge markup. I run a store (TRS also) on eBay reselling so fees were hardly an issue.

Like I said, "AMD trash"

[adaseb]

nvidia bios are encrypted.  Good luck modifying them.

Not like it matters, its super easy to get 30 mhs out of a 1070 anyway. Just increase mem clock to like +700 or whatever the card can handle. So much easier than trash AMD cards.

Thank you based Nvidia.

I would hope so if I paid almost twice the price of a 570. Sounds like you're trying to justify your purchase because all the AMD cards were out of stock. Or you couldn't figure out how to flash a bios and get 29 Mh/s stable.

Uh dude I sold all my RX cards for $400+ on ebay each and bought 1070's for less than $400 each. This was as soon as the RX Dag issue info came out. Sorry you got stuck with those RX cards.

For those of us business savvy we made out like bandits off of idiots buying RX cards at a huge markup. I run a store (TRS also) on eBay reselling so fees were hardly an issue.

Like I said, "AMD trash"

Every thread you are bashing AMD. Give it up already. We get you 'AMD is crap, NVIDIA rules!'

Lets get back on topic here.

[Subw]

PNY used to make AMD cards - I had one of their TI4600 (not HD 4xxx, the PRE HD-series from many years back) cards.

 I don't know if they still do, as their quality has dropped over the years and I stopped paying attention to them.

Im not a NVIDIA owner so I don't know how it works but I am pretty sure no NVIDIA miners flash their bios.

You are correct. Nvidia cards do not have a dual bios so their is some more risk involved VS AMD cards.

There is also a lack of a good database regarding succesful stable mining straps on flashed nvidia cards, so it seems like risky business to me.

Incorrect.  Palit 3-slots cards have dual Bios.
And yes you can flash (not edit) Bios from premium higher clocked models to cheaper models.

[Juggar]

nvidia bios are encrypted.  Good luck modifying them.

Not like it matters, its super easy to get 30 mhs out of a 1070 anyway. Just increase mem clock to like +700 or whatever the card can handle. So much easier than trash AMD cards.

Thank you based Nvidia.

I would hope so if I paid almost twice the price of a 570. Sounds like you're trying to justify your purchase because all the AMD cards were out of stock. Or you couldn't figure out how to flash a bios and get 29 Mh/s stable.

Uh dude I sold all my RX cards for $400+ on ebay each and bought 1070's for less than $400 each. This was as soon as the RX Dag issue info came out. Sorry you got stuck with those RX cards.

For those of us business savvy we made out like bandits off of idiots buying RX cards at a huge markup. I run a store (TRS also) on eBay reselling so fees were hardly an issue.

Like I said, "AMD trash"

Every thread you are bashing AMD. Give it up already. We get you 'AMD is crap, NVIDIA rules!'

Lets get back on topic here.

I responded to the guy as applicable..... id say you should get back on topic. I dont hate AMD but they have been this mediocre underdog ever since core 2 came out from Intel and im sick of it.

[chiwalfrm]

They now claim they will not honor RMAs for cards utilized by miners.
https://www.pny.com/File%20Library/Support/PNY%20Products/Warranties/GeForce%20Graphics/3-Year-Limited-Warranty.pdf

"THIS WARRANTY SHALL NOT APPLY WHERE PRODUCT(S) ARE USED TO ANY DEGREE, OUTSIDE OF NORMAL INTENDED
USE, WHICH SHALL INCLUDE BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO “MINING” (e.g., Cryptocurrency, Data Mining, Mining Farms). "

Might just return all my PNY cards that are within window.

Have any other companies made "Cryptocurrency Mining" a No go for their warranty?

*Here is a quick video regarding manufacturers and miners relation with inputs from the manufacturer companies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_oHQPWRWnQ&feature=youtu.be

Well damn... but I don't see how they would know it was for mining.

The BIOS just needs to check if any of the standard mining algorithms were executed on the GPU, such as SHA256, Equihash, Ethash, etc., and if such an algorithm is detected over a sustained period of time, then trigger an e-fuse to mark the GPU as warranty-voided.

Don't give them ideas !  

Kind of hard to check a bios on a fried GPU don't ya think?

and if the card was just starting to artifact then people would completely fry it so they can't check the E-fuse.  In that case it would be self-defeating as they couldn't just swap out some caps, memory controller etc and resale as refurbished anymore.

It's actually trivial.  You can read a BIOS e-fuse with a JTAG even if the card is completely bricked.  The following is a generic one, but all the GPU vendors have their own they don't sell to the public: https://www.amazon.com/Flashcat-Memory-Programmer-SERIAL-software/dp/B00F2P9AS6

An e-fuse is an electronic-fuse, it isn't a real fuse.  It can be reset with a JTAG too.

[Marvell1]

If they really want to know if it was used for mining they can , the question is ... it i really worth them it for them to do this for each n every card