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July 08, 2017, 01:01:27 PM
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Guess this is what the anti-illegal migrants want others to understand.

Laws are laws and should be respected. We should all insist on respect to the laws otherwise evil ones will also take advantage of the lack of respect for our laws.



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July 08, 2017, 01:05:44 PM
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Many believe that the laws were created to violate them and try in every possible way to contradict it without respecting other people and their laws, this leads to chaos.

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July 08, 2017, 03:21:28 PM
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I am opposed to refugees were not only over fences but also through the gate too. Why they are needed in Europe? They only create chaos and commit crimes. To re-educate them is no longer possible. It was a big mistake that can destroy Europe.
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July 08, 2017, 03:25:19 PM
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Yah everyone wants to be legal the problem is I believe it takes a good 6 months to get a yes or a no from the U.S. on visiting with a legal green light. Then often folks get told no! =\ long wait for a no
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July 08, 2017, 05:06:13 PM
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or don't come at all

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July 08, 2017, 06:26:09 PM
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Guess this is what the anti-illegal migrants want others to understand.

Laws are laws and should be respected. We should all insist on respect to the laws otherwise evil ones will also take advantage of the lack of respect for our laws.



According to the liberals and the Democrats when Donald Trump decides to enforce the law, it's not a good idea. Things must be done legally irrespective of the President enforcing it .



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July 08, 2017, 06:27:05 PM
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or don't come at all


No sir. Countries cannot live in isolation.
No country on earth can successfully ban people from coming in legally without being banned by other countries.



You shouldn't be on that flag by way. It had a very disgraceful past.
Tyranny, Propaganda, looting, Genocide, aren't worth celebrating,my friend.


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July 08, 2017, 06:58:34 PM
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The problem with immigrants is that once they come in legally or illegally, after some time have passed they think that they have the right to do everything. Many of them start to bother our women for example. I don't like immigrants only for this fact, there are some good ones that mind their own business and these ones may be even beneficial to Europe.

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July 08, 2017, 07:12:19 PM
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No sir. Countries cannot live in isolation.
No country on earth can successfully ban people from coming in legally without being banned by other countries.



You shouldn't be on that flag by way. It had a very disgraceful past.
Tyranny, Propaganda, looting, Genocide, aren't worth celebrating,my friend.
oh shit, somalia and sudan aren't going to let me become a citizen, my dreams are in tatters

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July 08, 2017, 07:42:14 PM
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or don't come at all

This is something that we can't really say, as from my point of view I may not see a reason for people wanting to leave their own country but with the insane amounts of countries having high amounts of corruption, no jobs, no way to move up in life, we're going to have to expect for people to want to come to a new country to start a new life.

But I'm in no way advocating for people to come here illegally, abuse systems, commit crimes and so on, I want people to come to countries legally, go through all of required stuff and then simply come in -- illegal aliens are crippling nations like the United States.

People do understand it, some systems of legal immigration are too lengthy and people think avoiding them will be ebst - they're usually not the best choice.














 

 

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This is something that we can't really say, as from my point of view I may not see a reason for people wanting to leave their own country but with the insane amounts of countries having high amounts of corruption, no jobs, no way to move up in life, we're going to have to expect for people to want to come to a new country to start a new life.

But I'm in no way advocating for people to come here illegally, abuse systems, commit crimes and so on, I want people to come to countries legally, go through all of required stuff and then simply come in -- illegal aliens are crippling nations like the United States.

People do understand it, some systems of legal immigration are too lengthy and people think avoiding them will be ebst - they're usually not the best choice.
they can want it as much as they like but that doesn't mean we need to give in to their demands and let them in. the more third worlders we let in, the more our societies are going to come to resemble theirs. legal or illegal makes very little difference to the end result. the vast majority of african and islamic immigration to europe over the past 50 years has been legal and it has been a disaster.

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July 09, 2017, 02:52:44 AM
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Many believe that the laws were created to violate them and try in every possible way to contradict it without respecting other people and their laws, this leads to chaos.
Impressive image. The "gateway" invited in a decent way, the law does not prohibit. "Fence": prohibition, law violation. If we are honest and dignified, we should go to the gate and not cross the fence.

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Guess this is what the anti-illegal migrants want others to understand.

Laws are laws and should be respected. We should all insist on respect to the laws otherwise evil ones will also take advantage of the lack of respect for our laws.

I think this accurate.

The biggest frustration people have with the approach to immigration is the banning of people from a specific country based on their primary religion or a very few people from these countries causing awful trouble. It's a level of enforcement that's born out of fear. And when government's do thing rooted out of fear (history has shown us) bad things happen...to the people and society.

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July 09, 2017, 09:41:06 AM
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The problem with immigrants is that once they come in legally or illegally, after some time have passed they think that they have the right to do everything. Many of them start to bother our women for example. I don't like immigrants only for this fact, there are some good ones that mind their own business and these ones may be even beneficial to Europe.

It depends where you are getting your immigrants. If they have to take a loan or spend all their savings to board a plane to Europe, they'll probably behave to be able to stay and earn money there. These are the immigrants that have a plan - they know they are going to Europe to find a job to send money back home, maybe eventually get papers to stay legally, save some money to have a vacation, and maybe even save enough to have their family go on a tour in Europe. These are NOT the immigrants Europe is having now.
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Guess this is what the anti-illegal migrants want others to understand.

Laws are laws and should be respected. We should all insist on respect to the laws otherwise evil ones will also take advantage of the lack of respect for our laws.

I think this accurate.

The biggest frustration people have with the approach to immigration is the banning of people from a specific country based on their primary religion or a very few people from these countries causing awful trouble. It's a level of enforcement that's born out of fear. ....

It's no different than checking immigrants for contageous diseases. Only a few have them, but we check them all. Some countries have more bad apples.

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Guess this is what the anti-illegal migrants want others to understand.

Laws are laws and should be respected. We should all insist on respect to the laws otherwise evil ones will also take advantage of the lack of respect for our laws.

What you said is truth, we should respect each other laws that govern our community, city and country. I watched a video on youtube were immigrants were scaling through fences to another country and their were seriously fighting with immigrants officers. I think evil people are the one behind this and most of them should be terrorists because those that have evil ambition against the fellow human beings that can go to the level of jumping a fence to get access into a place.

                                                                               
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Guess this is what the anti-illegal migrants want others to understand.

Laws are laws and should be respected. We should all insist on respect to the laws otherwise evil ones will also take advantage of the lack of respect for our laws.

This is something that is important that people need to understand and not only on immigration matters but also on all issues of life because without the laws there is room for anarchy and that is exactly what government agencies are trying to do and the moment they want to ensure implementation, people start complaining forgetting that the law was not written today rather its just the implementation that is now pronounced. If you know you cant keep the law, just stay away.

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July 09, 2017, 08:16:08 PM
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It's a shame none of you have the slightest bit of empathy

Put yourself in another man's shoes...

What if you were born in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Mexico, Puerto Rico, etc?  What then?

How would you feel about refugees/immigrants being let into other countries if you were the refugee fleeing for your life?

It sure is easy to complain when you're born in a nice country eating steak and lobster...

First-world problems, lol... people (Americans?) are such selfish shitbags

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Laws are laws and should be respected. We should all insist on respect to the laws otherwise evil ones will also take advantage of the lack of respect for our laws.
I find this sort of reasoning extremely irritating.

You should not respect laws just because they are laws.  This is just blind obedience of whatever government is in control of your country.  Each country has different laws - does this reasoning mean that if you lived in North Korea, you would agree with all the laws there as well, just because they are the laws of your country?

The reality is that there are several laws which people disobey frequently, and other people don't say "it's the law, you need to obey it".  Can you honestly say that you have never pirated anything, for example?



Not only is it dumb in that sense, it also ignores the reason that you decide to exclude people from the country.

There should be absolutely no discrimination on the grounds of where you were born, because that was not something that you decided.  If you were born in a less fortunate country, you should have the freedom to move to a company where you can have better economic conditions.  If you believe that people from other countries would inherently cause problems to yours, you are simply xenophobic and there's little else to it.

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July 09, 2017, 09:00:06 PM
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It's a shame none of you have the slightest bit of empathy

Put yourself in another man's shoes...

What if you were born in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Mexico, Puerto Rico, etc?  What then?

How would you feel about refugees/immigrants being let into other countries if you were the refugee fleeing for your life?

It sure is easy to complain when you're born in a nice country eating steak and lobster...

First-world problems, lol... people (Americans?) are such selfish shitbags

But don't stay in the other guy's shoes too long, because he is kinda ignorant. Empathize with him. Then treat him justly, first in your mind, and then when you can get your hands on him.

How big is the world? Properly used, there is so much material in the world that we could all live like kings... every last one of the 7 and a half billion of us. Why don't we? Because most of us are too ignorant to do it the right way.

How do we do it the right way? We do it the right way by doing, from the heart, the love of God, first, and the love of our fellow man, second. That is the reason why Americans have what is good while others often do not. How do we do it from the heart? It is the distinction between submitting and surrendering.

Anybody can submit. Middle East peoples do it all the time when they "worship" Allah. But because of how obnoxious Allah can be at times, they don't always like it. So, they don't surrender to him from their hearts.

The God of the Christians is different than Allah. Allah demands this and that in submission. The Christian God, demands nothing if there is surrender to Him. All demands are met within the christian God, Himself. Surrendering to Him allows Him to fulfill all of His demands within the person, rather than requiring the people to fulfill the demands themselves... a thing that nobody can come close to doing on his own.

In other words, Americans rule because they surrender to God. If they only submitted, they would be just like the ME peoples. Moloch, by not accepting God at all, doesn't do either, and will be in constant failure throughout his life, unless he changes.

At least submit to God, so that when you find that you can't do His requirements perfectly, you have opportunity to surrender to Him, so that He can work His works in you. If you do this, you will become great, like the Americans. Your new wealth may not be physical wealth (there are many happy, poor Americans). But it will be the true wealth of peace. If you don't, you will only find failure like Moloch. But, if Americans change to be only in submission, or worse, like Moloch... they will fail as well.

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