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May 10, 2013, 06:49:01 PM
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I would like to announce what I believe is a viable solution to decentralized law enforcement and a project/website I have started toward this goal.  A decentralized currency needs an answer for decentralized law before the central planners attempt to provide authoritarian solutions that undermine the very nature and usefulness of bitcoin.    

In my opinion, governments are the biggest criminals of all and therefore a decentralized law enforcement solution must ultimately be effective at curtailing and eliminating this kind of 'official' and 'legal plunder'.   For a free market law enforcement to be 'stable' in the long run it must be robust enough to overcome the current system.   I believe I have such a solution if I can get it bootstrapped.

I have created a new website to document my idea / strategy and would like to get some feedback:
The iLand Nation

First I want to throughly debunk our existing Socialist Justice System.

Then I want to present a non-violent law enforcement system Non Violent Law Enforcement

What does this have to do with bitcoin?    This system requires some technical / crypto-graphic features / ideas that are found in bitcoin and ultimately bitcoin would be the currency of those who join 'The iLand'.  The iLand Nation can be thought of as a distributed, decentralized Galt’s Gulch protected by the shield of an anonymous currency, encryption, and arbitration, and the sharing of the burden of injustice.

Other aspects of my idea includes An Injustice Insurance Fund (bitcoin powered) as well a a Surety Bond System.    Individuals would have Unique public-key IDs (backed by proof of work to ensure uniqueness and limit Sybil attacks).  

Here is what I am asking of those on the forum:
1) Read up on the idea in details posted on the-iland.net
2) Post feedback / ideas here and let me know if you would want to participate or how you think it could be improved.

If I can generate enough interest I will gladly quit my day job to help make this a reality.

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May 10, 2013, 07:02:32 PM
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I didn't find an answer to the main question:

Who will watch the watchmen?
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May 10, 2013, 07:13:33 PM
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Who are the watchmen? 

The goal is that before you do business with someone you 'bump phones' and ensure you both have agreed to a compatible set of laws / courts.  If not, you go your own way.

In the end violators of their own agreements are 'published' and may clear their name via arbitration. 

The insurance pool and surety bond can be decentralized as well, there is no central watchman.

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May 10, 2013, 07:22:28 PM
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Who are the watchmen? 

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The highest courts of the land rely only on the prime directive of the iLand and any arbitration agencies which are not willing to settle disputes by this standard are to be shunned.

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May 10, 2013, 07:23:49 PM
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I didn't find an answer to the main question:

Who will watch the watchmen?
themselves?

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May 10, 2013, 07:28:17 PM
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Who are the watchmen? 

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The highest courts of the land rely only on the prime directive of the iLand and any arbitration agencies which are not willing to settle disputes by this standard are to be shunned.

Huh

The premise here is that the 'highest courts' are not 'appointed' but chosen organically to be the 'least common denominator'  These will be what courts operate on a standard acceptable to the most people.

For example, Christians could have a christian court and Muslims a Muslim court but these courts could agree to settle their disputes at a higher court based upon more generic principles (thou shalt not steal).  Sure, they could refuse to resolve disputes outside their religion, but then muslims who chose that court would have to avoid doing business with christians because there is no fallback.

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May 10, 2013, 07:34:04 PM
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My browser doesn't like your security certificate.  I'm interested in reading what you have to say, but not until I can do so without SSL error warnings.

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May 10, 2013, 07:34:48 PM
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Starting out there will clearly be two different and incompatible court systems:  the government court and one or more free market courts that would compete for business of the lower courts based upon their fairness and objectiveness.  

The lower courts get to pick one or more courts they will settle disputes with and individuals get to pick one or more 'lower courts' whom they will deal with.

When a dispute arises between people with an public agreement to participate in a court both parties have agreed to have it settled by that lower court.

If the two parties do not have a 'common court' they can agree on, then they each get a judgment from their own courts.  If the courts disagree then the courts have prior agreements about whom they will use to resolve their dispute.   Ultimately, individuals are judged by the most effective courts of their choosing and the most effective courts are the ones who have the most agreements with other courts.   All courts are subject to market pressure for fairness.

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May 10, 2013, 07:36:06 PM
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My browser doesn't like your security certificate.  I'm interested in reading what you have to say, but not until I can do so without SSL error warnings.

Yeah, I haven't paid for a cert... and I cannot get web2py to only force SSL for accounts... let me see what I can do.

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May 10, 2013, 07:39:24 PM
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My browser doesn't like your security certificate.  I'm interested in reading what you have to say, but not until I can do so without SSL error warnings.

Yeah, I haven't paid for a cert... and I cannot get web2py to only force SSL for accounts... let me see what I can do.

I disabled SSL for now.

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May 10, 2013, 07:43:58 PM
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When r u planning to add "Decentralized Law" text?
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May 10, 2013, 07:47:02 PM
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I disabled SSL for now.

Roger that.  I'll check it out.

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May 10, 2013, 07:48:55 PM
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I didn't find an answer to the main question:

Who will watch the watchmen?
themselves?

One KEY aspect is the non-violent enforcement of the laws.  Even the 'watchmen' or market-leading 'high courts' would lack any power other than to publish a judgment and recommend others shun you.  Other individuals who disapprove of the ultimate judgment may switch their courts and continue to associate with you.

The biggest risk here is everyone agreeing with the 'market-leading' court, choosing to exclude you from the community, and yet you were 'framed'.    No system is perfect, but at least you are not physically harmed nor have your property involuntarily stolen from you as a result of this judgment.   In theory you also did your due diligence and picked the system you were ultimately judged under.

The non-violent nature is also key because this system could be implemented and 100% legal even today.

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May 10, 2013, 07:57:12 PM
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When r u planning to add "Decentralized Law" text?

Yes, I have a lot to write, I will let you know when I have that posted.

The summary is this:

Anyone can write a 'law' and market it.  The law would have an identifiable logo.  Anyone who finds the law agreeable can then 'sign' the law with their identity (keep it private).   When you do business with someone you exchange 'signed laws' via a 'phone bump' and your phone will identify whether or not the other person has agreed to the 'subset' of standardized laws that you require for your business.  If not, then you can politely decline or ask them to accept some other law.

The key here is that the laws are mostly 'simple' or 'bundled' and the best laws are accepted by all so the market pressure will tend to move people toward a common set required for doing business.

Those who require outrageous laws will find fewer people with whom to do business.

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May 10, 2013, 08:08:41 PM
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Anyone can write a 'law' and market it.  The law would have an identifiable logo.  Anyone who finds the law agreeable can then 'sign' the law with their identity (keep it private).   When you do business with someone you exchange 'signed laws' via a 'phone bump' and your phone will identify whether or not the other person has agreed to the 'subset' of standardized laws that you require for your business.  If not, then you can politely decline or ask them to accept some other law.

The key here is that the laws are mostly 'simple' or 'bundled' and the best laws are accepted by all so the market pressure will tend to move people toward a common set required for doing business.

Those who require outrageous laws will find fewer people with whom to do business.

Hell, I luv this approach! I've added this thread to my favorites.
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May 10, 2013, 09:24:26 PM
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Decentralized law sounds like mob justice.
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May 10, 2013, 09:37:14 PM
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'mob justice' and 'non-violent justice' are very different in my mind.   Democracy is 'mob justice'.   In fact, what we have today isn't even 'justice' it is 'revenge' without accountability for mistakes.   Democracy is 'arbitrary power'.

If your idea of justice is violence then clearly you missed the entire point.




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May 10, 2013, 10:34:17 PM
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Who are the watchmen? 

Hm, what about

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The highest courts of the land rely only on the prime directive of the iLand and any arbitration agencies which are not willing to settle disputes by this standard are to be shunned.

Huh

The premise here is that the 'highest courts' are not 'appointed' but chosen organically to be the 'least common denominator'  These will be what courts operate on a standard acceptable to the most people.

For example, Christians could have a christian court and Muslims a Muslim court but these courts could agree to settle their disputes at a higher court based upon more generic principles (thou shalt not steal).  Sure, they could refuse to resolve disputes outside their religion, but then muslims who chose that court would have to avoid doing business with christians because there is no fallback.
And then we will have crusades! Deus lo vult! For Jerusalem!  Cheesy
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May 10, 2013, 10:48:33 PM
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The key here is not that everyone has to participate, but that good, honest people choose to participate.   Who cares what Muslims or Christians ultimately decided to do.  Because this is a non-violent group of voluntary association / disassociation there are no crusades or 'violent mobs' etc.    They may exist outside such a community, but anyone inside it would immediately forfeit their surety and insurance coverage if they decided to get violent contrary to one of their signed agreements.

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May 10, 2013, 10:55:08 PM
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I like this. Definitely going to look into it more. Smiley

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