DeepOnion - Unmoderated thread

[Gandalf86]

I would like to start a new, unmoderated ANN thread for DeepOnion: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2006010.0

The author seems to be heavily censoring this "Free Airdrop" ANN thread and not providing answers to critical questions, but instead deleting them. Here are some of those questions that will be critical:

• What is the pre-mine? Giving the coins away in an airdrop might be a good excuse for having an unreasonably high pre-mine.
• What are essential differences to other coins that also have native Tor integration, such as Spectrecoin? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1704473.0;topicseen)
• Why is he censoring so much?? That's not a good sign IMO.

Feel free to post any questions or thoughts here that got censored in the main thread.

[_behoimi]

Hello, I want to know more about the algorithm and hardware, do u know about this?

[jukKas]

DeepOnion coin is interesting and I like the concept, but also would like to know more about the algo and premine.

[dominguero]

I only have one question. When i will be Member Jr, I could register to the airdrop?

[bumblebee24]

I only have one question. When i will be Member Jr, I could register to the airdrop?

No, because you registered on July 12th. Need to be registered before that, I believe.

[Gandalf86]

I think questions about algo (X13) and pre-mine (90%) have already been answered in the main thread by now.

The distribution scheme is ridiculous though and screams Ponzi IMO. Need to change my avatar and signature for as long as 40 weeks (9 months!) in order to get the full airdrop? No way!   And you can't even sell your funds until then (like Mr. Ponzi did it). But the dev has 30% and can sell it immediately.

Such a "slow airdrop" is ridiculous in general because the dev can throw all the remaining funds he has on the market whenever he wants, i.e. when the price is high enough, and run away with it. The only way this can not happen is when the airdrop is immediately, within a few days, and only afterwards the coin gains value because it is not centrally controlled any more.

The same could have been accomplished by having very high POS rewards within those 40 weeks, but without the funds being controlled by one person in the meanwhile. Therefore owning the majority of all coins must be part of his plan...

[dolores13]

Dev deleted several posts like this one.

Virus report for Windows client:
https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/299bad6c7a3e390a1048f8b527eee2ab0da5fbff3cee6c5471fc667588d3f9ef/analysis/1499847110/

check again, virustotal signals NetTool.Win32.TorJok.bx .

for me too

[iamnewhere]

the question if the clients / pools are just acting as "clients" in TOR network or if they are used as ENTRY / EXIT nodes was also overseen somehow....

[minime0105]

I think questions about algo (X13) and pre-mine (90%) have already been answered in the main thread by now.

The distribution scheme is ridiculous though and screams Ponzi IMO. Need to change my avatar and signature for as long as 40 weeks (9 months!) in order to get the full airdrop? No way!   And you can't even sell your funds until then (like Mr. Ponzi did it). But the dev has 30% and can sell it immediately.

Such a "slow airdrop" is ridiculous in general because the dev can throw all the remaining funds he has on the market whenever he wants, i.e. when the price is high enough, and run away with it. The only way this can not happen is when the airdrop is immediately, within a few days, and only afterwards the coin gains value because it is not centrally controlled any more.

The same could have been accomplished by having very high POS rewards within those 40 weeks, but without the funds being controlled by one person in the meanwhile. Therefore owning the majority of all coins must be part of his plan...

I think this is the best observation, this is also what I am thinking, but you know what people thinks, if its an airdrop, then they have nothing to lose. which isn't good at all.

[darkenedsoul]

I think questions about algo (X13) and pre-mine (90%) have already been answered in the main thread by now.

The distribution scheme is ridiculous though and screams Ponzi IMO. Need to change my avatar and signature for as long as 40 weeks (9 months!) in order to get the full airdrop? No way!   And you can't even sell your funds until then (like Mr. Ponzi did it). But the dev has 30% and can sell it immediately.

Such a "slow airdrop" is ridiculous in general because the dev can throw all the remaining funds he has on the market whenever he wants, i.e. when the price is high enough, and run away with it. The only way this can not happen is when the airdrop is immediately, within a few days, and only afterwards the coin gains value because it is not centrally controlled any more.

The same could have been accomplished by having very high POS rewards within those 40 weeks, but without the funds being controlled by one person in the meanwhile. Therefore owning the majority of all coins must be part of his plan...

I think this is the best observation, this is also what I am thinking, but you know what people thinks, if its an airdrop, then they have nothing to lose. which isn't good at all.

Starting to sound like TorCoin. Anonymity and scams seem to go hand in hand. Which sucks, because I am a huge privacy advocate. I think people lure groups into coins under the guise of anonymity and ultimately it ends up being a scam. Not saying this is the case with DeepOnion, but I am cautious at this point.

[e4f4]

I like this thread and what it stands for.

Hope you can save a few more souls if it turns out bad.

[_behoimi]

I only have one question. When i will be Member Jr, I could register to the airdrop?

No, because you registered on July 12th. Need to be registered before that, I believe.

what date exactly?

[YaRAMBO]

deep onion good project , but not for newbies like me
i think wallet have no virus or ddos bot
deeponion.exe never ask any files at my PC and process have only 32mb recivied traffic for 12 hours (when soft have virus , it always scan some fles at pc and generate outgoing traff )

[McWorse]

Please don't look at my avatar and my sig ... my first airdrop and sig campain. Hell ... why not ...?
 


What's leaving me - at least - astonished is the roadmap of DeepOnion.

Q3 2017: Pre-announcement and launch till paperwallet

Only 12 month later, Q2 2018:

- More Exchanges trade-able for ONIONs
- More Shopping Sites accepting ONIONs
- ONION accepted Games

Very ambitious. Especially, because it is quite hard to predict - with an exact date - what other people will do: Implement this coin to their shopping sites, their exchanges, their games...
But this is only a (my personally felt) peak of iceberg in this roadmap.

Perhaps it is my over-excited scepticism, because everything there is looking a touch too good for me. I don't know...

I wish the devs luck and would be pleased, if some of them would enter here to answer the serious questions, starting with Gandalf86 first post. A good and serious project would do that.

Regards!
McW

[Gandalf86]

I think this is the best observation, this is also what I am thinking, but you know what people thinks, if its an airdrop, then they have nothing to lose. which isn't good at all.

Starting to sound like TorCoin. Anonymity and scams seem to go hand in hand. Which sucks, because I am a huge privacy advocate. I think people lure groups into coins under the guise of anonymity and ultimately it ends up being a scam. Not saying this is the case with DeepOnion, but I am cautious at this point.

I don't usually advertise projects I'm involved with in other threads like this one, but since this is directly related to your question ... the Spectrecoin project linked in my first post above is a good one, and the coins are already fully distributed. I'm having close relationships with the main dev and other active community members. It's having the same Tor integration that DeepOnion has, and devs are currently re-organizing to make the project progress at a faster pace and be more open and transparent. Spectre is probably the best alternative to this one so far, in terms of technology.

Tbh. I only found DeepOnion by looking for competitors to Spectre in the anon space   But as it seems this one is not a serious competitor...

What's leaving me - at least - astonished is the roadmap of DeepOnion.

Q3 2017: Pre-announcement and launch till paperwallet

Only 12 month later, Q2 2018:

- More Exchanges trade-able for ONIONs
- More Shopping Sites accepting ONIONs
- ONION accepted Games

Very ambitious. Especially, because it is quite hard to predict - with an exact date - what other people will do: Implement this coin to their shopping sites, their exchanges, their games...
But this is only a (my personally felt) peak of iceberg in this roadmap.

I don't think that is too ambitious. "More" doesn't have to mean anything significant. You can make some small shop site selling your own product and make it accept your coin ... no magic needed.    More exchanges is also very vague ... more than what? Than now? Not difficult as there are no exchanges yet.  

I wish the devs luck and would be pleased, if some of them would enter here to answer the serious questions, starting with Gandalf86 first post. A good and serious project would do that.

A good and serious project would not abuse his moderation abilities and delete reasonable questions like the ones above. That's a much bigger problem than having an "a bit too ambitious" roadmap IMO. I linked this thread in the main thread after creating it, but it got deleted within 1 minute.

[Mihawk]

Unfortunately when there are mass campaigns for some airdrop it's necessary to suspect! These criticism restrictions shows that dev is not sure what it is offering, it sure is scam.

[McWorse]

What's leaving me - at least - astonished is the roadmap of DeepOnion.

Q3 2017: Pre-announcement and launch till paperwallet

Only 12 month later, Q2 2018:

- More Exchanges trade-able for ONIONs
- More Shopping Sites accepting ONIONs
- ONION accepted Games

Very ambitious. Especially, because it is quite hard to predict - with an exact date - what other people will do: Implement this coin to their shopping sites, their exchanges, their games...
But this is only a (my personally felt) peak of iceberg in this roadmap.

I don't think that is too ambitious. "More" doesn't have to mean anything significant. You can make some small shop site selling your own product and make it accept your coin ... no magic needed.    More exchanges is also very vague ... more than what? Than now? Not difficult as there are no exchanges yet.  

I wish the devs luck and would be pleased, if some of them would enter here to answer the serious questions, starting with Gandalf86 first post. A good and serious project would do that.

A good and serious project would not abuse his moderation abilities and delete reasonable questions like the ones above. That's a much bigger problem than having an "a bit too ambitious" roadmap IMO. I linked this thread in the main thread after creating it, but it got deleted within 1 minute.

Ok. Thats a realistic point of view. And the abuse of moderation seems a bit strange...

To the process of the airdrop:
It could be a decent marketing strategy. It ties up the users for a very long - and important - period. It creates community. And we have to write at least 10 posts every week. Means 400 posts per participant. 50 participants = 20,000 posts = 20,000 little advertisings here. Not bad.
But as participant you are not tied forever. Coins of the campain are payed out weekly. You can leave at any time. Move your coins out of your wallet and you're out. So you can sell at any time what you got so far.

But I love your doubts. I am new in the market, and you showed me a new direction of thinking. To see whats behind and to recognize the motivations of the players. Thank you for that. I don't know whats going on with the DeepOnion project. But for me, I feel that I don't have to loose something. Ok... in the worst I could make a shady group rich, because I supported their project. But the coins are free for me. If they will be worthless sometimes, I won't care. I would have learned something, which is more important, than earning money.

The more worst case would be, if there is a virus or trojan implemented in the wallet... But the tests of the virusscanners doesn't look that problematic.
We'll see.

Looking foreward for a dev comming in...

[Michelle24]

the question if the clients / pools are just acting as "clients" in TOR network or if they are used as ENTRY / EXIT nodes was also overseen somehow....

Dev said, you are no exit node, if you are running wallet, i have to look for the thread, but i think it was yesterday.

[Michelle24]

I don't understand, why is running the wallet is helping the TOR network. Does anybody know more about this?

[fuzzyd]

Dev deleted several posts like this one.

Virus report for Windows client:
https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/299bad6c7a3e390a1048f8b527eee2ab0da5fbff3cee6c5471fc667588d3f9ef/analysis/1499847110/

check again, virustotal signals NetTool.Win32.TorJok.bx .

for me too

And yet left this similar report alone: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2006010.msg20094764#msg20094764
Probably because as someone noted seemd to have virustotal changed its mind and indicate that DeepOnion was in fact clear of viruses.

I agree that those who have concerns should ideally be able to express them in the main thread without them being deleted.