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Question: Can videos wake people up?  (Voting closed: June 01, 2013, 09:53:44 PM)
Yes, anyone - 1 (3.2%)
No, almost no one who wouldn't wake up otherwise - 5 (16.1%)
Sorta, depends on the person - 12 (38.7%)
Sorta, if you do it the right way with the right video - 13 (41.9%)
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May 11, 2013, 09:53:44 PM
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Do documentaries exposing the federal reserve system, NWO, police state etc.

do they really work to wake up the average person?

What movies do you think are the most effective or affected you the most in this way

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May 11, 2013, 09:54:47 PM
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The Zeitgeist movies worked really well for me.  After that, Stefan Molyneux's movie about Human Farming was a really good watch, as well as "The Story of Your Enslavement"

I saw a couple of videos about Illuminati but it seems like a bunch of Christian antichrist BS.

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May 11, 2013, 10:13:34 PM
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The Zeitgeist movies worked really well for me.  After that, Stefan Molyneux's movie about Human Farming was a really good watch, as well as "The Story of Your Enslavement"

I saw a couple of videos about Illuminati but it seems like a bunch of Christian antichrist BS.

the first is anti christian; i wouldn't think thats effective after turning off the majority of who would be watching it

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May 11, 2013, 10:16:31 PM
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The Zeitgeist movies worked really well for me.  After that, Stefan Molyneux's movie about Human Farming was a really good watch, as well as "The Story of Your Enslavement"

I saw a couple of videos about Illuminati but it seems like a bunch of Christian antichrist BS.

the first is anti christian; i wouldn't think thats effective after turning off the majority of who would be watching it

Rightfully so; Christianity, and the other two biggies, are the reason why the state still, after all this time, has so much power.  But I see your point; it weeds out those who would've refused to listen to begin with.  Religious people are some of the hardest to change their minds; I've never met a Christian man who could defend his stance with logic and reason, but instead, appeals to emotion and tradition, and "We're good people, God fearing people," like that's supposed to mean anything.  I happened to be agnostic at the time, so it made perfect sense to me, so I suppose that's why it appealed to me so much.

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May 11, 2013, 10:38:46 PM
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Alright Zeitgeist is a big one, and still effective.

What else? A lot of people haven't seen this one but it is on the more common side. Of course more common with atheist and agnostics

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May 11, 2013, 11:26:12 PM
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I think so but it depends on the person, some people will stay close-minded no matter who they are but you also have to make sure that the documentary you're doing is actually factual and not just a scare mongering piece like a lot of the stuff televised news throws out.
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May 11, 2013, 11:34:01 PM
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May 12, 2013, 12:43:05 AM
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They provide decent way to present ideas in easily digested way. But I don't think they will change people who wouldn't be convinced by good arguments...

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May 12, 2013, 04:12:45 AM
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I don't really think so. The people who seek out specific documentaries are probably doing so for a reason. Not a lot of people are willing to sit through a three part documentary like Zeitgeist unless they're at least vaguely interested in the topic. Popular documentaries that make the rounds largely have no 'teeth,' and that's why they become popular. Think of Michael Moore's documentaries, they're about hard hitting social issues, but they make you laugh, they make you feel good, and most importantly, they're filmed like many narrative films are. Documentaries that have 'teeth,' and actively work to change society are usually specialized, and people have to seek them out.

that's just my 2BTC. I've recently graduated with a minor in film (nothing special, I know), but I did take a course on documentary films.
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May 12, 2013, 04:54:09 AM
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I don't really think so. The people who seek out specific documentaries are probably doing so for a reason. Not a lot of people are willing to sit through a three part documentary like Zeitgeist unless they're at least vaguely interested in the topic. Popular documentaries that make the rounds largely have no 'teeth,' and that's why they become popular. Think of Michael Moore's documentaries, they're about hard hitting social issues, but they make you laugh, they make you feel good, and most importantly, they're filmed like many narrative films are. Documentaries that have 'teeth,' and actively work to change society are usually specialized, and people have to seek them out.

that's just my 2BTC. I've recently graduated with a minor in film (nothing special, I know), but I did take a course on documentary films.
I agree. I think "mainstream" critiques like Jon Stewart's Daily Show, while always lacking in a call to action, will probably always be most widespread in getting a message out, even if ineffective. I disagree with most opinions (usually presented as smear pieces) in that show, and even find only 1/4 of it to be actually entertaining, but I watch it anyway. Jon will even poke fun at his paradoxical role, and insist he's a comedian, not someone who should be "setting the tone" for conversations in America as he's accused of. I've also watched LaRouche documentaries on recommendation from a friend, which I think could be considered "toothy." Neither has ever convinced me to do anything, so I'd think it's fair to assume both of them ineffective at changing anything. - And I know, it's unfair to say "I've never done it, so nobody does," but I've never really heard of anyone recently talking about Benghazi or the VA paperwork fiasco outside the Internet.

All that said, I think 20/20, 60 Minutes, and similar shows are and will always be the most effective -- we've seen them make major changes in US politics, with new SEC regulations on insider trading definitely being the big outcome (though... IIRC, they were already on the books, so....). I can't think of any examples of "movie"-type documentaries ever having that kind of societal impact, because they really aren't watched by many people - and when they do, it's generally because they're funny.

- But then, what about Super Size Me? I can no longer get super-sized food, and we all know what happened in NYC. I watched it and was amused, but I think Fat Head was also amusing and presented a more compelling case than Spurlock's film. Neither really made me want to change anything... so maybe a debate over the effect of Super Size Me and the changes the US consumer saw after are warranted - but I think we can reasonably attribute at least a significant amount of weight toward societal change to the release of Super Size Me.

I'm going way off on a tangent... I think media which targets people early (most religions are excellent at this!) will always be the most persuasive. I really like John Stossel's "In the Classroom" series, because even though they have a significant bias (especially in more recent Fox-released DVDs), they're ultimately about encouraging independent and critical thought. In the DVDs, they include teacher resources, so it can become an actual lesson, with a very significant outreach while being very cost-effective (in fact, I was shown one of the first Stossel in the Classrooms DVDs by a teacher who was simply excited to have something new and free available in his toolkit). If we believe a revolution is warranted in some area, there is surely no greater means of producing it than by promoting sentience among humans, and I think that's ultimately much more important than promoting any single issue. We all know that in the typical "American" conversation, it's like talking with a completely thoughtless version of Chuck Hagee or James Fallows - or just asking "The Bible" its opinion on whether or not God could create the Immovable Boulder. We know sending these non-sentient beings to college doesn't work, and I think it's the same with documentaries in most cases - so how do we effectively get to "The Influencers" in our society? Maybe more importantly, who are "The Influencers?" Frankly, I think it's just the current generation of "old people." I don't think we can fundamentally change their way of thinking, only offer them facts to show them something the majority of "old people" believe wrong. With young people, though (and I'm talking 8-18, not 28-38), I think a much stronger case could be made that we CAN fundamentally change how they think, and maybe more importantly - WHY they think. I think a lot of documentaries ultimately fail (not in terms of revenue, but in societal change) because they target people who are set in their ways, but not very influential -- the majority.

ETA: To be fair.... I heard a lot from my friend on LaRouche. At first, I thought it was hilarious some old guy was blaming climate change on some far-off "Crab Nebula" I never heard of in school. After actually researching it - a result, partially, of tangential learning from LaRouche videos - I find myself believing many of his general theories plausible -- not necessarily that the Crab Nebula is responsible for climate change... and I still think it's funny anyone could believe "The Queen" is involved in hard drug trade.... but still... documentaries by him and his "associates" ultimately have affected what I believe and how I think, so maybe they could be considered effective - at least in doing something.
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May 12, 2013, 05:00:52 AM
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Do documentaries exposing the federal reserve system, NWO, police state etc.

do they really work to wake up the average person?

What movies do you think are the most effective or affected you the most in this way

Yes and no.

Zeitgeist was one of my first, but now looking back with more knowledge, there's a lot I don't like about it.

The second one in particular I didn't like from the start and I haven't seen any subsequent ones.

So my answer is, if they jumpstart a search for more knowledge and more information they are good.  If people just take them as gospel, then not so much.
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May 12, 2013, 02:10:45 PM
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Do documentaries exposing the federal reserve system, NWO, police state etc.

do they really work to wake up the average person?

What movies do you think are the most effective or affected you the most in this way

Yes and no.

Zeitgeist was one of my first, but now looking back with more knowledge, there's a lot I don't like about it.

The second one in particular I didn't like from the start and I haven't seen any subsequent ones.

So my answer is, if they jumpstart a search for more knowledge and more information they are good.  If people just take them as gospel, then not so much.

This.

The Zeitgeist movies have a bunch of good points, but as a whole, they are utter crap. They're kind of like the broken clock that's right twice a day.

So yeah, Zeitgeist and such are in a literal sence a pretty good way to wake people up, but after that I really (REALLY) hope they inform themselves in a decent manner. Youtube is not a good source for information.
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May 12, 2013, 10:33:45 PM
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thank you everyone, especially kluge.

if there is an effective documentary maybe we could campaign to get it to random people

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May 13, 2013, 12:40:52 PM
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thank you everyone, especially kluge.

if there is an effective documentary maybe we could campaign to get it to random people

Inside Job is actually pretty good.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1645089/
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