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July 23, 2017, 07:50:00 AM
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I would love to say this is animal nature, but the tomatoes aren't making the caterpillars eat it.
The caterpillars are the ones that decided hey I would rather eat you bud than have more of this tomato and thus spilled the ketchup in a metaphorical sense.
But i'm going to go with GMO tomato messed with them somehow, modifying the amount of meJa for the experiment, although that said it is proven now that the caterpillars do eventually eat each other in the end so science.

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July 23, 2017, 07:56:46 AM
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I would love to say this is animal nature, but the tomatoes aren't making the caterpillars eat it.
The caterpillars are the ones that decided hey I would rather eat you bud than have more of this tomato and thus spilled the ketchup in a metaphorical sense.
But i'm going to go with GMO tomato messed with them somehow, modifying the amount of meJa for the experiment, although that said it is proven now that the caterpillars do eventually eat each other in the end so science.
I'm not so sure about that. There are numerous studies that indicate that trees and other plants warn each other of intruders through emission of chemicals into the air and/or through root networks. Plants/trees that have not yet been befallen by insects or other intruders then actually ramp up their defenses and produces chemicals and whatnot to defend themselves.
Wouldn't be surprised if the tomato stuff here was of similar nature. Humans have a tendency to vastly overestimate their own capabilities in relation to other stuff in the universe. There's really nothing special about us though.
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July 23, 2017, 08:57:50 AM
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Humans on the other hand are perfectly capable of living on plants

Plowing kill animals too.
It certainly doesn't repeatedly breed them purely for the purpose of killing them later, killing billions and billions of animals over many years, no.  Do you think the population of cows was so high before humans started breeding them en masse, cutting down huge parts of the Amazon rainforest just for pasture?
If the natural food-chain was efficient, no life would exist whatsoever.
Plant life would still exist, because plants take energy from the Sun, and the Sun is not alive.  I see your point though.
In terms of efficiency we'd be better off with nothing.
Yes, but we live in the real world, so we should be as efficient and rational as possible while still being alive.  I understand that people can say "I just like meat", but the damage that animal agriculture causes far outweighs any petty pleasure that people can draw from it.
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July 23, 2017, 04:26:50 PM
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Does tomato turn cannibals into vegetables?     Grin

Ahahaha, just came back to the thread to look for comment like this.  Grin

I hope tomatoes can turn criminals into vegetables. That should reduce hunger as well as free up space in prisons.

Does tomato turn cannibals into vegetables?     Grin

Anything is possible, if you consume the carcinogenic GMO tomato from the United States. But the OP is not very clear which type of tomato was used for the research. I assume that it was GMO tomato.

It need not be GMO. Plants are very capable of brewing toxins when needed and we've only just begun to find out how they communicate with each others. Heck, I've even seen a clip of heirloom corn calling on nematodes to destroy pests.

As for tomatoes, they are nightshades, not surprised out of all crops that it was the first to be seen doing this.
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July 23, 2017, 06:12:47 PM
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Does tomato turn cannibals into vegetables?     Grin

Anything is possible, if you consume the carcinogenic GMO tomato from the United States. But the OP is not very clear which type of tomato was used for the research. I assume that it was GMO tomato.

It need not be GMO. Plants are very capable of brewing toxins when needed and we've only just begun to find out how they communicate with each others. Heck, I've even seen a clip of heirloom corn calling on nematodes to destroy pests.

As for tomatoes, they are nightshades, not surprised out of all crops that it was the first to be seen doing this.

Normally, most of the plants are capable of defending themselves against the pests (up to a certain limit). But the indiscriminate usage of chemical pesticides has reduced this "natural immunity" of the pants. This is very similar to the case in humans, where the over-prescription of antibiotics have reduced the immunity of the body against common viruses.
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July 23, 2017, 06:16:16 PM
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caterpillars are predatory animals. it is true.
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July 23, 2017, 06:17:35 PM
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this is food-chain. some eat some eaten.
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July 23, 2017, 06:18:43 PM
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July 23, 2017, 06:22:53 PM
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Humans on the other hand are perfectly capable of living on plants

Plowing kill animals too.
It certainly doesn't repeatedly breed them purely for the purpose of killing them later, killing billions and billions of animals over many years, no.  Do you think the population of cows was so high before humans started breeding them en masse, cutting down huge parts of the Amazon rainforest just for pasture?
If the natural food-chain was efficient, no life would exist whatsoever.
Plant life would still exist, because plants take energy from the Sun, and the Sun is not alive.  I see your point though.
In terms of efficiency we'd be better off with nothing.
Yes, but we live in the real world, so we should be as efficient and rational as possible while still being alive.  I understand that people can say "I just like meat", but the damage that animal agriculture causes far outweighs any petty pleasure that people can draw from it.
The last point really depends on the scope at which you consider the consequences. Animal agriculture has contributed to increased CO2 emissions and thus global warming. Simultaneously it has caused a lot of suffering for animals. As a result, there is a massive amount of research and development going on that seeks to alleviate these symptoms, which will ultimately make the world a better place once ripe. People will be able to eat meat without having to put animals through shit. Since the meat will be lab-created, it will also be possible to make it healthier and tastier at the same time.

While I do disagree with the animal abuse that goes into "creating" most of the meat on earth, I do think that it helped a lot of people survive. It's easier to transport large amounts of meats than to transport orders of magnitude more vegetables and fruits. Transports are still extremely expensive after all, and also contribute largely to the CO2 emissions.
 
Furthermore, traditional agriculture benefits the environment, rather than harming it. This is due to the animals essentially creating fertile soil in which plant life, critters and rodents and whatnot can thrive. This also creates a sustainable environment for birds, reptiles and other animals.
Which is also why I not only don't see any moral issues with eating meat that was properly farm raised, but actually consider it as beneficial.

The non-plus ultra will be raising a few animals that provide all these benefits, while providing the cells needed to raise meat in labs (without hurting the animals!). We are definitely getting there, and it's just a matter of public awareness and funding as to when we will reach that point.
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July 23, 2017, 07:49:59 PM
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it's now been shown that tomato plants can team up to directly push caterpillars into cannibalism.

“This is a new ecological mechanism of induced resistance that effectively changes the behaviour of the insects,” says Richard Karban, who studies interactions between herbivores and their host plants at the University of California at Davis and was not involved in the study.

Herbivorous pests often turn on each other when their food is of poor quality or it runs out. And some plants are known to affect the behaviour of their pests by making them more predatory towards other species. But until now it was unclear whether plants could directly cause caterpillar cannibalism.
http://www.nature.com/news/plants-turn-caterpillars-into-cannibals-1.22281
It seems to me that this is already going over all the limits of common sense. To lead such a mechanism will be used against caterpillars, it is possible that it will be applied to larger scales for other species.
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July 23, 2017, 10:35:15 PM
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tomatoes have gotta be one of the most worthless foods out there. they don't taste of much but people stick them in everywhere.

maybe this will scare chefs into laying off them.
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July 23, 2017, 11:10:32 PM
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tomatoes have gotta be one of the most worthless foods out there. they don't taste of much but people stick them in everywhere.

maybe this will scare chefs into laying off them.
In my life, I haven't eaten even single tomato. For me it looks and smells disgusting. When I was kicked, I only tried ketchup from tomatoes and didn't liked it's taste.
I don't know how serious this scientific research, but I will continue to avoid tomatoes.

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July 24, 2017, 01:21:43 AM
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tomatoes have gotta be one of the most worthless foods out there. they don't taste of much but people stick them in everywhere.

maybe this will scare chefs into laying off them.

It is hard to imagine eating any of that stuff from fast food restaurants without tomato sauce. The consumption of tomatoes has increased along with the increase in consumption of fast food.

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July 24, 2017, 03:11:52 AM
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Humans on the other hand are perfectly capable of living on plants

Plowing kill animals too.
It certainly doesn't repeatedly breed them purely for the purpose of killing them later, killing billions and billions of animals over many years, no.  Do you think the population of cows was so high before humans started breeding them en masse, cutting down huge parts of the Amazon rainforest just for pasture?
If the natural food-chain was efficient, no life would exist whatsoever.
Plant life would still exist, because plants take energy from the Sun, and the Sun is not alive.  I see your point though.
In terms of efficiency we'd be better off with nothing.
Yes, but we live in the real world, so we should be as efficient and rational as possible while still being alive.  I understand that people can say "I just like meat", but the damage that animal agriculture causes far outweighs any petty pleasure that people can draw from it.
The last point really depends on the scope at which you consider the consequences. Animal agriculture has contributed to increased CO2 emissions and thus global warming. Simultaneously it has caused a lot of suffering for animals. As a result, there is a massive amount of research and development going on that seeks to alleviate these symptoms, which will ultimately make the world a better place once ripe. People will be able to eat meat without having to put animals through shit. Since the meat will be lab-created, it will also be possible to make it healthier and tastier at the same time.

While I do disagree with the animal abuse that goes into "creating" most of the meat on earth, I do think that it helped a lot of people survive. It's easier to transport large amounts of meats than to transport orders of magnitude more vegetables and fruits. Transports are still extremely expensive after all, and also contribute largely to the CO2 emissions.
 
Furthermore, traditional agriculture benefits the environment, rather than harming it. This is due to the animals essentially creating fertile soil in which plant life, critters and rodents and whatnot can thrive. This also creates a sustainable environment for birds, reptiles and other animals.
Which is also why I not only don't see any moral issues with eating meat that was properly farm raised, but actually consider it as beneficial.

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Yes, I was a vegetarian until I have eaten one tomato, after that I have started to eat my nails and then also to bite the interior of my mouth eating little pieces of myself - in fact I had become truly a cannibal.

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