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July 23, 2017, 07:38:48 PM |
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I guess this is a fast way to know what firewall NOT to use. I'll be seeing if he replies.
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July 23, 2017, 07:57:50 PM |
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has included all bitcoin nodes
nice try ... but ... useless. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fimagizer.imageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg922%2F7310%2FYDehjz.png&t=663&c=wa3pQh2TEhk2XA)
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July 23, 2017, 08:23:20 PM |
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has included all bitcoin nodes
nice try ... but ... useless. The dev obviously doesn't really know or care about Bitcoin, do you think he'd be knowledgeable or worried enough to try and get all the nodes? ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) Anyways, let's see his reply...
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July 23, 2017, 09:23:05 PM |
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has included all bitcoin nodes
nice try ... but ... useless. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fhuge%2Bpic%2Bhere&t=663&c=mAjsf9l9cYarHQ) And you point is? What that there are nodes active online right now? Since you just opened a stupid thread about a fork one week ago, let me ask you.. Do you even have a clue what this firewall is supposed to do and for whom?
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July 23, 2017, 10:12:07 PM |
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anyone running software that blocks itself from the network is just creating themselves a small little island for themselves (an altcoin/private network) the guys running software are not harming the network, they are just cutting themselves away from the network
a far simpler solution to blacklist all bitcoin nodes is just to not go look for bitcoin nodes via known bitcoin dns seeds and instead only accept connections from manually added nodes they do like
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I DO NOT TRADE OR ACT AS ESCROW ON THIS FORUM EVER. Please do your own research & respect what is written here as both opinion & information gleaned from experience. many people replying with insults but no on-topic content substance, automatically are 'facepalmed' and yawned at
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July 23, 2017, 10:49:48 PM |
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Is subscribing to a node blacklist a good idea or a bad idea? Even if the lists creator has legitimate intentions, wont it eventually lead us down a slippery slope....How would such a blacklist be regulated, vetted, governed?
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July 23, 2017, 11:04:42 PM |
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The dev replied, he seems to be somewhat categorizing organizations and other similar things, not only making lists with spam/criminal IP's. Despite this, it's still odd why he has a blacklist available with known network nodes...
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July 23, 2017, 11:07:25 PM |
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^^^^Well played^^^^ But, where does it stop and are there unavoidable situations where a blacklist can be used in a negative manner to hurt the network? I'm not sure if we should be heading down this rabbit hole for any reason, real or perceived. Are my concerns legitimate?
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July 23, 2017, 11:22:30 PM |
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As per the dev on GitHub, he "doesn't make" lists. Does anyone know of a list of all Bitcoin nodes similar to his? I am unaware of such... Anyways, judging by what the dev says, it's not worth our time. These lists are opt-in and the dev doesn't seem to be hostile towards Bitcoin or towards nodes. BTW, he also makes a list from information obtained from Bitnodes, so after all he can capture quite a lot of the network in his (black)lists. What I find weird was how he wasted time to make scrape this information and have it updated... As for our concerns, I still think they're somewhat legitimate. Why would you be trying to gather information regarding all these nodes to have it in a blacklist? ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) However, as I said, this isn't really anything hostile, so...
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1) I'm talking about this so called thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2027108.msg20192967#msg20192967With which you have become the laughing stock of the forum by spreading FUD like a broken vending machine 2) That firewall does not attack anything. It's like me disrupting the torrent protocol by blocking u torrent ports.
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July 23, 2017, 11:49:43 PM |
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But, where does it stop and are there unavoidable situations where a blacklist can be used in a negative manner to hurt the network?
not really since Bitcoin Core use a native integration of TOR/Onion Network since 23-Feb-2016. https://bitcoincore.org/en/releases/0.12.0/Automatically use Tor hidden services
Starting with Tor version 0.2.7.1 it is possible, through Tor’s control socket API, to create and destroy ‘ephemeral’ hidden services programmatically. Bitcoin Core has been updated to make use of this.
This means that if Tor is running (and proper authorization is available), Bitcoin Core automatically creates a hidden service to listen on, without manual configuration. Bitcoin Core will also use Tor automatically to connect to other .onion nodes if the control socket can be successfully opened. This will positively affect the number of available .onion nodes and their usage. Country where IP Ban use ... TOR has a default package installed by technical (local) staff (ie. the internet guy).
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July 24, 2017, 12:17:12 AM |
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The dev replied, he seems to be somewhat categorizing organizations and other similar things, not only making lists with spam/criminal IP's. Despite this, it's still odd why he has a blacklist available with known network nodes...
Imagination is only limit, he can work for deanon organisations that try to reveal users behind bitcoin addresses. There are many clever ways to do that, banning 90% of nodes is one of them.
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