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July 27, 2017, 09:48:48 AM
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I think YES, because bitcoin does not take your profits but you take advantage of bitcoin, unlike banks and you hold your own money in your own wallet or be a bank for others

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July 27, 2017, 09:55:59 AM
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As of today the bitcoin is slowly getting centralized.

Different priorities to different people. A lot of new people who go into the Bitcoin scene post-2013 seem to care less about a "freedom currency" and more about making money and achieving a higher transaction rate. While it may already be partially centralized that's no reason to not continually resist changes that would lead to additional centralization.
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July 27, 2017, 10:14:09 AM
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To begin with, I want to apologize for my English. This is Google translator Smiley I hope that the meaning will be clear.
Dear community. I wanted with your help to answer for yourself the following question: Is the bitcoin and the rest of the crypto currency decentralized so far? Decentralization is a state in which there is no single center. But we all know that most of the computing power, which in the majority is signed by the blocks, is concentrated in China (since almost all the computer technology associated with mining is produced there) and even in South Korea. And in fact the issue of accepting / not accepting SegWit is decided by the Chinese with the Koreans neighbors. All is well, but the zone of distribution of crypto-currency is not limited only to China and South Korea, what to do if there is some kind of prediction stone, and ordinary users of bitcoin will disagree with the miners on any issue, even scaling, what then? The answer is obvious, the owners will take the upper hand of pools ... again the question is whether Bitcoin is decentralized? thanks for answers
Of course. Bitcoin is decentralized. This is the reason why many people got interested to the bitcoin. Being decentralized the government can't control it and of course there is no tax.

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July 27, 2017, 10:18:36 AM
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To begin with, I want to apologize for my English. This is Google translator Smiley I hope that the meaning will be clear.
Dear community. I wanted with your help to answer for yourself the following question: Is the bitcoin and the rest of the crypto currency decentralized so far? Decentralization is a state in which there is no single center. But we all know that most of the computing power, which in the majority is signed by the blocks, is concentrated in China (since almost all the computer technology associated with mining is produced there) and even in South Korea. And in fact the issue of accepting / not accepting SegWit is decided by the Chinese with the Koreans neighbors. All is well, but the zone of distribution of crypto-currency is not limited only to China and South Korea, what to do if there is some kind of prediction stone, and ordinary users of bitcoin will disagree with the miners on any issue, even scaling, what then? The answer is obvious, the owners will take the upper hand of pools ... again the question is whether Bitcoin is decentralized? thanks for answers
Of course. Bitcoin is decentralized. This is the reason why many people got interested to the bitcoin. Being decentralized the government can't control it and of course there is no tax.

You read the news lately? All exchanges controlled by government, all sorts of rules for merchant to accept the bitcoin. This is going centralized, quick.

It no longer has the 'decentralized' appeal....it is now acting like any other public currency..
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July 27, 2017, 10:28:58 AM
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Bitcoin is a decentralized currency.But we could also say that it is bpartially centralized in some aspects.For example,segwit activation has not been accepted these much days by miners and bitcoin investors stood helpless as they were not able to do anything.But now,miners have accepted for segwit activation and even if investors don't like segwit,still they have to accept it.But bitcoin remains decentralized in other aspects due to which it still survives uncontrolled by governments.
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July 27, 2017, 12:05:19 PM
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My first reaction to your question is to say, yes Bitcoin is decentralized. It certainly is more decentralized compared to banks and traditional organisations. However after the who segwit debate, I am not so convinced it is as decentralized as I would like to be. Development is centred in the USA and mining is centred in China. The Development side doesnt want to accept anything that doesnt come from them. Similarly to the mining side, i think up to 70% of hash power is centred on no more than 5 organisations. Bitcoin might not have a CEO or offices, but we all know Blockstream decide on what needs to happen to the code and miners run the network. Is Bitcoin decentralized? You decide.
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July 27, 2017, 01:45:08 PM
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That is a fun question. Six months ago or more, if you had a wallet on your computer and I had a wallet on my computer, and all we ever did was trade Bitcoin back and forth between those two wallets, then what we were doing was 100% decentralized. The fact was that our business between our two wallets was not controlled in any way buy any 'Central' unit. However, if some of the Bitcoin I sent to you you sent to an exchange, did the decentralized concept started to die. It wasn't a big way, simply the fact that website owners had to use databases, software, and other things that were not part of the Bitcoin core. This is the smallest level of decentralization.
Now, if on those exchanges, Fiat gets involved, did you go to nearly Zero decentralization. This was the point, and one of the few possible points, where the government managed to get his fingers in the pie.

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July 27, 2017, 01:45:54 PM
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These days, two software while its trading Bitcoin back and forth, it's still basically decentralized. However, new technology, such as transaction accelerators, specific transaction miners, and other things like that attack that decentralisation. Take the transaction accelerator for example, there are several websites that offer this service, showtimes for free and sometimes for a price. That is where decentralization begins

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July 27, 2017, 01:47:34 PM
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The fact that somebody with the resources to give their transactions more power over others is the beginning of an elitist group. Imagine the exchanges prioritizing their orders based on any information at all.


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July 27, 2017, 02:12:43 PM
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Yes and no. It is decentralized in the sense that there's no dictator, no single unit that controls it and - in theory - anyone can mine and earn Bitcoin trough this. But it's also true that, as years went by, mining power concentrate only in few hands. So I think the whole Bitcoin ecosystem is decentralized, but mining is centralized stuff.

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Bitcoin is in the process of being centralised around a corporation called Digital Currency Group. It's holdings are listed below.

Notice the presence of Blockstream that controls Core devs but also Coinbase/GDAX (biggest exchange), Coindesk, Bitpay (payment processor) and 200 others companies.

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July 27, 2017, 02:36:03 PM
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Currently governments can regulate businesses associated with bitcoin like exchanges but they cannot regulate bitcoin because it has no controlling authority or center.
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July 27, 2017, 02:37:03 PM
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As of today the bitcoin is slowly getting centralized.

Different priorities to different people. A lot of new people who go into the Bitcoin scene post-2013 seem to care less about a "freedom currency" and more about making money and achieving a higher transaction rate. While it may already be partially centralized that's no reason to not continually resist changes that would lead to additional centralization.

Your answer is right there.
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Bitcoin is in the process of being centralised around a corporation called Digital Currency Group. It's holdings are listed below.

Notice the presence of Blockstream that controls Core devs but also Coinbase (biggest exchange), Coindesk, Bitpay (payment processor) and 200 others companies.

This is scary. I knew things were bad but I didnt realise they were this bad.
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Bitcoin is in the process of being centralised around a corporation called Digital Currency Group. It's holdings are listed below.

Notice the presence of Blockstream that controls Core devs but also Coinbase (biggest exchange), Coindesk, Bitpay (payment processor) and 200 others companies.

This is scary. I knew things were bad but I didnt realise they were this bad.

With all the manic finger pointing at the "evil chinese miners cartel" coming from core devs, it is difficult to see the real picture.
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Bitcoin is in the process of being centralised around a corporation called Digital Currency Group. It's holdings are listed below.

Notice the presence of Blockstream that controls Core devs but also Coinbase (biggest exchange), Coindesk, Bitpay (payment processor) and 200 others companies.

This is scary. I knew things were bad but I didnt realise they were this bad.

With all the manic finger pointing at the "evil chinese miners cartel" coming from core devs, it is difficult to see the big picture.

I saw through all that rhetoric. I wish more people paid more attention, instead of listening to social media propaganda. I have been buying Bitcoin only from 2015 but I only started paying attention to the news from early this year. I listened to all sides of the debate, it became clear to me the Chinese miner story was all BS intended to mislead people from the real problem. I hope the community will wake up before its too late.
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I saw through all that rhetoric. I wish more people paid more attention, instead of listening to social media propaganda. I have been buying Bitcoin only from 2015 but I only started paying attention to the news from early this year. I listened to all sides of the debate, it became clear to me the Chinese miner story was all BS intended to mislead people from the real problem. I hope the community will wake up before its too late.

Me too and nearly identical path for me  Tongue

I believe bitcoin is a revolutionary technology that still has a chance to be an amazing success. But to think the direction of it's development is now under the control of a corporation with it's own vested interests and agenda is worrying to say the least.

Blockstream/DCG/Axa need to be entirely removed from the Core dev picture so that they stop determining the direction of bitcoin development. The conflict of interest is just too great.
Bitcoin development must go back to being impartial, for the benefit of bitcoin and its community as a whole.
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The writing is on the wall.
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July 28, 2017, 01:07:56 AM
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To begin with, I want to apologize for my English. This is Google translator Smiley I hope that the meaning will be clear.
Dear community. I wanted with your help to answer for yourself the following question: Is the bitcoin and the rest of the crypto currency decentralized so far? Decentralization is a state in which there is no single center. But we all know that most of the computing power, which in the majority is signed by the blocks, is concentrated in China (since almost all the computer technology associated with mining is produced there) and even in South Korea. And in fact the issue of accepting / not accepting SegWit is decided by the Chinese with the Koreans neighbors. All is well, but the zone of distribution of crypto-currency is not limited only to China and South Korea, what to do if there is some kind of prediction stone, and ordinary users of bitcoin will disagree with the miners on any issue, even scaling, what then? The answer is obvious, the owners will take the upper hand of pools ... again the question is whether Bitcoin is decentralized? thanks for answers

Bitcoin is really decentralized. Unlike traditional banks you do not have control over the money, the banks uses your money in their lending but does not give away to you their income from your money. In this centralized scene only the banks are benefiting from your money. Bitcoin and cryptocurrency on the other hand is not the same with the banks, here you become your own bank since you have control over your wallet. In cryptocurrency whatever gains you have from the increased profit you alone will benefit from it, it is yours to control and use. Compared to banks cryptocurrency is much better since you can even trade or invest it online.
Probably this is all the difficulties of translation. I meant a little bit different - there is China, which owns more than 50 percent of the computing power, in my opinion this is the center? That is, decisions about any innovations are made by miners, and more of them are in China. Thank you.
There are many aspects to bitcoin, so it is natural that not every single aspect of bitcoin is not as decentralized as we liked, mining has been centralized a long time ago that is true, but the devs take decisions about the code and no one has a problem with that, bitcoin at its core is still decentralized because there are many people with a copy of the blockchain that verify the transactions.
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