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July 25, 2017, 02:03:29 AM
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Could it be possible to upload human emotions (like increased heart rate , laughter , sadness) into a blockchain? If its possible could it perhaps be used to help artificial intelligence understand human emotion and maybe gain insight into us... and not kill us?

Just a thought. Would like ur input to see if its plausible.
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July 25, 2017, 02:18:59 AM
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In what way do you think emotions would be something that can be put in the blockchain? The blockchain is just a data structure. If you have data that is "emotion" or whatever, you can put it in the blockchain, otherwise, no you cannot.

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July 25, 2017, 03:38:35 AM
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In what way do you think emotions would be something that can be put in the blockchain? The blockchain is just a data structure. If you have data that is "emotion" or whatever, you can put it in the blockchain, otherwise, no you cannot.

People are saying that we will soon be able to upload consciousness itself as a form of data. Given that consciousness is invisible, I don't see why an emotion like love would be any different.

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July 25, 2017, 04:04:33 AM
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In what way do you think emotions would be something that can be put in the blockchain? The blockchain is just a data structure. If you have data that is "emotion" or whatever, you can put it in the blockchain, otherwise, no you cannot.

People are saying that we will soon be able to upload consciousness itself as a form of data. Given that consciousness is invisible, I don't see why an emotion like love would be any different.

Maybe, but we are still far away from that kind of technology, and even then it does not belong on a block chain. A block chain is a transaction or record-keeping database, not a relational model that could be used to store "invisible" things like consciousness or emotions. So if we get to the point where we can upload consciousness, it will most likely not be here on the bitcoin block chain in particular.
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July 25, 2017, 07:42:09 AM
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In what way do you think emotions would be something that can be put in the blockchain? The blockchain is just a data structure. If you have data that is "emotion" or whatever, you can put it in the blockchain, otherwise, no you cannot.

People are saying that we will soon be able to upload consciousness itself as a form of data. Given that consciousness is invisible, I don't see why an emotion like love would be any different.

Where did you read that? We are not even close to understanding how the human mind works, let alone how to encode it as data.

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July 25, 2017, 08:16:11 AM
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block chain is a kind of transaction or database rather, you cant transact your feelings or emotions
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July 25, 2017, 08:21:45 AM
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IMO it's not entirely clear that any digital system will be able to be sentient. If you're just moving bits around according to some formula, like rocks in sand, can the result really ever be comparable to a human mind? Current science indicates that the human mind, and indeed the universe, should be computable, but I find the notion that any such computation would be "real" to be highly unintuitive, at least.

And certainly you don't get an AI or a working mind or a teaching mechnism by just dumping data somewhere...

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July 28, 2017, 06:58:59 AM
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IMO it's not entirely clear that any digital system will be able to be sentient. If you're just moving bits around according to some formula, like rocks in sand, can the result really ever be comparable to a human mind? Current science indicates that the human mind, and indeed the universe, should be computable, but I find the notion that any such computation would be "real" to be highly unintuitive, at least.

And certainly you don't get an AI or a working mind or a teaching mechnism by just dumping data somewhere...

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What I don't get is, where do we draw the line between a computer, and a sentient ..thing?

Scientists have already emulated a worm's brain with computers, though this worm only has 302 neurons. Adult human brains are closer to the ballpark of 85 billion neurons, but at how many neurons do we stop treating something like a bunch of bits and start treating it like something that really thinks? Evolution crossed that line, as we're here now, so I don't see why computing can't cross it too eventually, but I have no idea who is going to define at how many neurons or transistors or whatever is the point where we can look at something and say this can be sentient.
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July 28, 2017, 09:12:15 AM
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I think Blockchain has a core feature as immutable.
So, it sounds difficult to express kind of emotions on it...
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August 02, 2017, 07:35:59 PM
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Yes, it's possible, in a few years we can watch it. I think this will happen in Ethereum tokens. Some projects announce this in the future.
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August 03, 2017, 03:08:17 AM
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Could it be possible to upload human emotions (like increased heart rate , laughter , sadness) into a blockchain? If its possible could it perhaps be used to help artificial intelligence understand human emotion and maybe gain insight into us... and not kill us?

Just a thought. Would like ur input to see if its plausible.

Some high profile scientists today believe that emotions will indeed be able to be uploaded in the near future!

Probably not in 20 years, or even 50. But possibly in 100.

One thing I know is it usually isn't a good idea to claim something could "never happen". Think of how many times you have heard someone claim something to be impossible, and then it happened in your lifetime. The first thing that comes to my mind is when AI beat the top Human at GO, which many people thought a computer would never be able to do and others thought it would take at least 10 years.



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August 03, 2017, 01:02:01 PM
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Could it be possible to upload human emotions (like increased heart rate , laughter , sadness) into a blockchain? If its possible could it perhaps be used to help artificial intelligence understand human emotion and maybe gain insight into us... and not kill us?

Just a thought. Would like ur input to see if its plausible.

Some high profile scientists today believe that emotions will indeed be able to be uploaded in the near future!

Probably not in 20 years, or even 50. But possibly in 100.

One thing I know is it usually isn't a good idea to claim something could "never happen". Think of how many times you have heard someone claim something to be impossible, and then it happened in your lifetime. The first thing that comes to my mind is when AI beat the top Human at GO, which many people thought a computer would never be able to do and others thought it would take at least 10 years.

In a 100 years may as well be never Smiley It's already hard to project the technological advances of the next 10 to 30 years. Everything that goes further than that is pure speculation. We can expect pretty much everything to be possible, even things that seem physically impossible with our current understanding of physics. But I daresay we're still far off from encoding emotions in a way beyond describing which chemicals to put into our bloodstream and which hormones to trigger.

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August 04, 2017, 12:18:17 AM
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In what way do you think emotions would be something that can be put in the blockchain? The blockchain is just a data structure. If you have data that is "emotion" or whatever, you can put it in the blockchain, otherwise, no you cannot.

Hahaha..OP funny..maybe if these human properties can be converted to raw data, then we can store it as a database on the blockchain for record purposes

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August 04, 2017, 04:33:49 PM
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Could it be possible to upload human emotions (like increased heart rate , laughter , sadness) into a blockchain? If its possible could it perhaps be used to help artificial intelligence understand human emotion and maybe gain insight into us... and not kill us?

Just a thought. Would like ur input to see if its plausible.

Your thought is valid and it's good to read about it from you. Prolly maybe in the future this can happened. There's is no impossible things that could happened today.
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August 04, 2017, 07:31:28 PM
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In what way do you think emotions would be something that can be put in the blockchain? The blockchain is just a data structure. If you have data that is "emotion" or whatever, you can put it in the blockchain, otherwise, no you cannot.

People are saying that we will soon be able to upload consciousness itself as a form of data. Given that consciousness is invisible, I don't see why an emotion like love would be any different.

Maybe, but we are still far away from that kind of technology, and even then it does not belong on a block chain. A block chain is a transaction or record-keeping database, not a relational model that could be used to store "invisible" things like consciousness or emotions. So if we get to the point where we can upload consciousness, it will most likely not be here on the bitcoin block chain in particular.

Right, it would definitely not want to be hosted on the blockchain where everyone can track it too. Most likely it will only be for extremely rich people and they will secure the uploads stronger than banks secure people's cash today.

Think about how bad it would be if a presidential candidate, for example, were to have his/her consciousness STOLEN. All of their dirtiest secrets would be revealed, and they would have no chance of winning. It would ruin their lives.

At the same time, all rich people would want to do this to preserve themselves in case of a tragic accident which caused their death. No amount of medical technology can prevent all types of death...



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August 04, 2017, 09:14:29 PM
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What about companies crawling the web to analyze human feelings? Then combining with the Blockchain is something else. But It is what LinuxOne does but without blockchain. It could be possible surely to use the blockchain technology but there will be not special benefit

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IMO it's not entirely clear that any digital system will be able to be sentient. If you're just moving bits around according to some formula, like rocks in sand, can the result really ever be comparable to a human mind? Current science indicates that the human mind, and indeed the universe, should be computable, but I find the notion that any such computation would be "real" to be highly unintuitive, at least.

And certainly you don't get an AI or a working mind or a teaching mechnism by just dumping data somewhere...

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What I don't get is, where do we draw the line between a computer, and a sentient ..thing?

Scientists have already emulated a worm's brain with computers, though this worm only has 302 neurons. Adult human brains are closer to the ballpark of 85 billion neurons, but at how many neurons do we stop treating something like a bunch of bits and start treating it like something that really thinks? Evolution crossed that line, as we're here now, so I don't see why computing can't cross it too eventually, but I have no idea who is going to define at how many neurons or transistors or whatever is the point where we can look at something and say this can be sentient.

They want to. They didnt yet. And as far as i know it doesnt work (as of 2016).
If you could create a strong AI by simulating a neuronal network we would be done 20 years ago.

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August 09, 2017, 05:31:15 AM
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Could it be possible to upload human emotions (like increased heart rate , laughter , sadness) into a blockchain? If its possible could it perhaps be used to help artificial intelligence understand human emotion and maybe gain insight into us... and not kill us?

Just a thought. Would like ur input to see if its plausible.
It is impossible to store human emotions on blockchain, the blockchain is made of mathematical calculations and in as such to be able to store human emotions on blockchain you must first of all be able to translate human emotions into data in other to be able to store them on a blockchain.
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of course, it will be possible. it will start with a primitive genealogy sort of document, a personal or family history. That is inevitable in our lifetime. it will become our individual blockchain that weaves and conjoins and breaks with other's blockchain (relationships). Eventually, you will be able to record proximity to one another, creating a more fluid blockchain history. all of this on top of some blockchain that may or may not be available today. eventually, you will be able to record simple statements of emotion ("I am soooo happy!" or "I hate my life"), as we already have that on something like a facebook, where you can record your superficial personality. and we have the private world, something like fitbit or apple watch, where we can track our personal health. As you can, today, send your heartbeat to someone via apple watch, you can send it to the blockchain. there is a case for keeping record of your personal health on a block chain over your lifetime. which brings me to ... 4-5 generations from the first health blockchain, the rudimentary anals of your life to a living blockchain that will record a myriad of body functions and emotions. there is currently a gadget on the market that is intended for emotionally challenged people (read autism) that collects their information and helps them cope. it's not on a block chain, yet.
let's flip the page. if we accept that we are living in an Orwellian world, decentralized or not, someone will use this personal, historical blockchain as a means of control and oppression. It will be easy to use for criminal persecution and sentient tracking. so we can argue the merits and needs of such blockchain but to the question of whether you can send an emotion or body function to it, to me, a newbie in this forum, is an obvious yes
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August 11, 2017, 06:45:26 PM
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In what way do you think emotions would be something that can be put in the blockchain? The blockchain is just a data structure. If you have data that is "emotion" or whatever, you can put it in the blockchain, otherwise, no you cannot.

Although emotion can be quantified (Ekman, Davidson Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, Vol 58(2), Feb 1990, 330-341) I'm not sure how useful it would be to store it on an immutable database.

I'm trying to make some analogy with the response of our limbic system ( where emotions are generated ) it looks like that emotions are hardcoded in our brain .. but still .. I would not use the Blockchian to store that type of data...  

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