mayax (OP)
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July 30, 2017, 01:48:56 AM |
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And those who now correctly blame btce for assisting criminals: the GOX theft is NOT even on the arrest warrent, it is wholly about this: A Bulgarian company, with Russian executive, living in Greece, bank accounts in Mongolia, is blamed for not being licensed in the USA!!!!!!!!!!They could just as well arrest a Swiss Railway executive because they do not request ID from US customers when riding a train... Or Saudi Arabia could request kidnapping a British bar owner on a vacation in Greece, because he served alcohol to Saudi citizens...  it is not forbidden to serve Saudi citizens with alcohol  The idea is that a "financial" company must know the laws from the countries where they make their business. you cannot claim in your defence that you don't know the law. example : BTC-e accepted US citizens as clients. they accepted bank wires and they send bank wire to them. that means they made business within US according to FINCEN and they needed to be registered as MSB. |
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mayax (OP)
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July 30, 2017, 01:56:50 AM |
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how can you keep you work since 19 years ago in a shit/anonymous exchanger? are you high or what? it's a non-sense. |
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karan1498
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July 30, 2017, 05:00:38 AM |
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485705 eth were transferred from btc-e 10 hours ago to some other address which could be feds or theirs safe wallet .
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July 30, 2017, 05:47:30 AM |
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And those who now correctly blame btce for assisting criminals: the GOX theft is NOT even on the arrest warrent, it is wholly about this: A Bulgarian company, with Russian executive, living in Greece, bank accounts in Mongolia, is blamed for not being licensed in the USA!!!!!!!!!!They could just as well arrest a Swiss Railway executive because they do not request ID from US customers when riding a train... Or Saudi Arabia could request kidnapping a British bar owner on a vacation in Greece, because he served alcohol to Saudi citizens... it is not forbidden to serve Saudi citizens with alcohol The idea is that a "financial" company must know the laws from the countries where they make their business. you cannot claim in your defence that you don't know the law. example : BTC-e accepted US citizens as clients. they accepted bank wires and they send bank wire to them. that means they made business within US according to FINCEN and they needed to be registered as MSB. All operations happened on the territory of other countries. With the same success it is possible to ban and close all online stores. The fact that the United States wants to control every move of its citizens. If they like let them ensure compliance with legislation. People to follow only the laws of the country in which they live. If the Papuans in the US will come up with a new law. On what basis do I have to comply? I do not care what the laws in the United States. |
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virtualdn
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July 30, 2017, 05:52:47 AM |
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I really feel sorry for everyone losing money here but please take 2 things into account:
1. it was kinda obvious that website was an unregulated exchange; poor contact details were a first sign
2. I would never keep more than $100 in an exchange regulated or not, I would simply exchange and bye bye
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Netnox
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July 30, 2017, 06:24:05 AM |
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They would not seize, they would friendly ask and chin. gov would size for them instantly. Not excatly a free country over there.
What if the OKCoin and Huobi guys are having powerful connections with the Chinese government? Anyway, why the Chinese authorities would allow such a seizure, when the Bitcoin exchanges such as Bitstamp and Kraken, which are based in the western nations are allowed to operate without any issues? |
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hitlab
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July 30, 2017, 06:30:33 AM |
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If BTCe have secured their coins properly it should be hard for the FEDs to get their hands on the coins.
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July 30, 2017, 06:37:13 AM |
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If BTCe have secured their coins properly it should be hard for the FEDs to get their hands on the coins.
And it would also make it near impossible for users to get their coins back, if the site is shut down there is no reason for them to honor their debts to people who used their platform. In my opinion the FEDs are more likely to pay back users money than the owner is at this point. |
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July 30, 2017, 06:39:06 AM |
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If that's true than a petition won't help. I'm sorry if you lost money but you do not simply keep your life savings in crypto not to mention an exchange. If you are a risk taker at least make sure you have the private keys and know what you are doing if you are trading with that capital. |
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karan1498
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July 30, 2017, 07:28:29 AM |
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btc-e owner is fined with some millions exact amt i dont know , if the owner has that much of money he should happily bare it and start the exchange again with more legal laws and if the owner doesnt have that much money or has more criminal mind he will use peoples money in the exchange and gone forever .
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bensam1231
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July 30, 2017, 08:14:53 AM |
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If BTCe have secured their coins properly it should be hard for the FEDs to get their hands on the coins.
And it would also make it near impossible for users to get their coins back, if the site is shut down there is no reason for them to honor their debts to people who used their platform. In my opinion the FEDs are more likely to pay back users money than the owner is at this point. I disagree. Besides the government having absolutely no idea how cryptos work, when was the last time they decided to repay people after a seizure? There is no way they have any idea how an exchange works and it's probably too much work for them to return any amount of money. Exchanges being insanely complicated, how is it going to work if you're in FIAT when the exchange was seized? You would need to convert to BTC or need to receive a check from them. Do you think that's going to happen? Not only that if everyone converts from FIAT to BTC the price would crash on the exchange. You're more then likely to get your money back from BTCe. BTCe already had plenty of opportunity to cut and run before the seizure, the seizure doesn't really change anything. We don't even know if their assets were even taken. There are plenty of ways for them to move them around, we're talking cryptos... That's like one of the biggest parts OF cryptos. |
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mayax (OP)
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July 30, 2017, 03:41:36 PM |
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If BTCe have secured their coins properly it should be hard for the FEDs to get their hands on the coins.
And it would also make it near impossible for users to get their coins back, if the site is shut down there is no reason for them to honor their debts to people who used their platform. In my opinion the FEDs are more likely to pay back users money than the owner is at this point. I disagree. Besides the government having absolutely no idea how cryptos work, when was the last time they decided to repay people after a seizure? There is no way they have any idea how an exchange works and it's probably too much work for them to return any amount of money. Exchanges being insanely complicated, how is it going to work if you're in FIAT when the exchange was seized? You would need to convert to BTC or need to receive a check from them. Do you think that's going to happen? Not only that if everyone converts from FIAT to BTC the price would crash on the exchange. You're more then likely to get your money back from BTCe. BTCe already had plenty of opportunity to cut and run before the seizure, the seizure doesn't really change anything. We don't even know if their assets were even taken. There are plenty of ways for them to move them around, we're talking cryptos... That's like one of the biggest parts OF cryptos. the govs know very well how it works. the forex companies are running since decades ago. the exchangers are the same. the point is that most of the exchangers are out of law because they are not regulated like any other broker/trading company. so, before using exchangers like BTC-e, Kraken, Poloniex, Bitfinex, you should think twice. also, i highly recommend you to find forex brokers which accept BTC (all of them have a history behind and are regulated) like : https://www.plus500.com/https://www.ig.comwww.fxcm.com/http://www.avatrade.com/trading-info/range-of-markets/cryptocurrencies/bitcoin |
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BitcoinBallerina
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July 30, 2017, 03:44:23 PM |
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Forget it ... Move on. This petition won't do jack shit. You lost all your money. I'm sorry, but seriously, it's not coming back, anyone with half a brain knows that right now, it's just wishful thinking... Why would anyone associated with this massive criminal enterprise risk starting it back up to "pay you innocent people"  Right.. Nobody. That's what you get for using a shady ass bullshit exchange, sorry man.... Good luck, hope you can rebuild from scratch and recover but don't get your hopes up, this site is 100% done IMO...  : ( It is so ridiculous, yet so true at the same time. Unfortunately, while they could open back up for a few days to allow withdraws, this will not happen. All of us lost our money, and it is yet another plague for the crypto economy after Mt. Gox, Cryptsy and now the oldest exchange BTC-e. |
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July 30, 2017, 04:05:55 PM |
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I lost only 2mBTC. I'm so lucky so I lost only small amount.
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July 30, 2017, 04:07:45 PM |
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If BTCe have secured their coins properly it should be hard for the FEDs to get their hands on the coins.
And it would also make it near impossible for users to get their coins back, if the site is shut down there is no reason for them to honor their debts to people who used their platform. In my opinion the FEDs are more likely to pay back users money than the owner is at this point. I disagree. Besides the government having absolutely no idea how cryptos work, when was the last time they decided to repay people after a seizure? There is no way they have any idea how an exchange works and it's probably too much work for them to return any amount of money. Exchanges being insanely complicated, how is it going to work if you're in FIAT when the exchange was seized? You would need to convert to BTC or need to receive a check from them. Do you think that's going to happen? Not only that if everyone converts from FIAT to BTC the price would crash on the exchange. You're more then likely to get your money back from BTCe. BTCe already had plenty of opportunity to cut and run before the seizure, the seizure doesn't really change anything. We don't even know if their assets were even taken. There are plenty of ways for them to move them around, we're talking cryptos... That's like one of the biggest parts OF cryptos. Hmm, goverment has no idea about how crypto and exchange works? Do you say that really? Because it's impossie to forget so important task as crypto is and there is no doubt that they know a lot about it to my mind. Goverment don't likes crypto so more likely they won't think much about how to repay people. |
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July 30, 2017, 04:48:32 PM |
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And those who now correctly blame btce for assisting criminals: the GOX theft is NOT even on the arrest warrent, it is wholly about this: A Bulgarian company, with Russian executive, living in Greece, bank accounts in Mongolia, is blamed for not being licensed in the USA!!!!!!!!!!They could just as well arrest a Swiss Railway executive because they do not request ID from US customers when riding a train... Or Saudi Arabia could request kidnapping a British bar owner on a vacation in Greece, because he served alcohol to Saudi citizens... it is not forbidden to serve Saudi citizens with alcohol The idea is that a "financial" company must know the laws from the countries where they make their business. you cannot claim in your defence that you don't know the law. example : BTC-e accepted US citizens as clients. they accepted bank wires and they send bank wire to them. that means they made business within US according to FINCEN and they needed to be registered as MSB. They did not accept wires from US banks, that should do it. Prohibiting a company to do business with US citizens is not covered by international law; a Bulgarian company has to follow Bulgarian law. Not the law of 1000 other countries. This is pure imperialism! Btw. Saudi citizens are not allowed to drink alcohol in Saudia Arabia that is what I mean. So if SA would behave like USA, they would arrest people from other countries just because they served alcohol to their citizens It is so insane that it is very hard to follow, I must admit, hopefully Greek judges see the madness.  |
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mrayazgul
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July 30, 2017, 05:29:17 PM |
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Forget it ... Move on. This petition won't do jack shit. You lost all your money. I'm sorry, but seriously, it's not coming back, anyone with half a brain knows that right now, it's just wishful thinking... Why would anyone associated with this massive criminal enterprise risk starting it back up to "pay you innocent people" Right.. Nobody. That's what you get for using a shady ass bullshit exchange, sorry man.... Good luck, hope you can rebuild from scratch and recover but don't get your hopes up, this site is 100% done IMO... : ( There's always going to be somebody playing some game and you shouldn't get too upset about it just keep in mind that some of the exchanges have a very high risk on disappearing at any time. Key learning is that do not keep all your bitcoin in single exchange, rather split them between multiple exchange to avoid loss in case any exchange scam. |
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fred dave
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July 30, 2017, 05:41:45 PM |
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The domain is seized bu US authorities, it seems that it will be the bigger lesson for the unlicensed exchangers worldwide and especially Poloniex
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July 30, 2017, 05:55:57 PM |
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The domain is seized bu US authorities, it seems that it will be the bigger lesson for the unlicensed exchangers worldwide and especially Poloniex
Is poloniex unlicensed ? while its containment any exchanges I'll see him about the same thing with the exchanges that you have to look out for is manipulation of the withdrawal and deposit limits. Need to be careful while using exchanges. |
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btcrich
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July 30, 2017, 05:59:13 PM |
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If BTCe have secured their coins properly it should be hard for the FEDs to get their hands on the coins.
I really do not think he will be a tough guy with the Feds simply because he will be behind bars for a long time and i do not think he will act like that in any way shape or form,the real reason for the arrest might be because they are not collecting any user information and may be so is the reason he was booked under money laundering. |
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