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May 14, 2013, 10:07:01 PM
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I love bitpay, but this is a really bad thing. Now bitpay has control over how bitcoin will work.
You are free to hire whomever you want to review the source code and see to it that nothing bad happens to it, if you are worrying about it.

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P.S. I'm not here to bitch about him being hired, I just wanted to bring to light how it might not be good, and to make sure it doesn't become a bad thing for it happening, such as bitpay doing what bitpay wants for themself.

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May 14, 2013, 10:17:49 PM
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I love bitpay, but this is a really bad thing. Now bitpay has control over how bitcoin will work. I'm not sure if anyone noticed, but what ever the devs put in the code, is whats in everyones bitcoin. It will now be what bitpay wants to see changed, not what the users want, because of course, no one is going to download the latest version from johnjoe who no one knows, over the dev for the past 3 years.

Other than that worry, congrats. I'm curious, are you being paid in bitcoin?



Did you know that Gavin once worked for CoinLab? Did you know he now works for Bitcoin Foundation?

Linux development is partially from paid workers for RedHat, SUSE, etc. There's no reason Bitcoin should be different.
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May 14, 2013, 10:27:46 PM
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Wow. Bitcoin is turning into the very thing its community used to be against. I'm looking forward to SatoshiDice and BitPay lobbying the devs and mining pools to include, exclude or modify changes. Perhaps they are already doing it.
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May 14, 2013, 10:33:00 PM
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I love bitpay, but this is a really bad thing. Now bitpay has control over how bitcoin will work. I'm not sure if anyone noticed, but what ever the devs put in the code, is whats in everyones bitcoin. It will now be what bitpay wants to see changed, not what the users want, because of course, no one is going to download the latest version from johnjoe who no one knows, over the dev for the past 3 years.

Other than that worry, congrats. I'm curious, are you being paid in bitcoin?



Did you know that Gavin once worked for CoinLab? Did you know he now works for Bitcoin Foundation?

Linux development is partially from paid workers for RedHat, SUSE, etc. There's no reason Bitcoin should be different.

Payment processors are the closest thing you get to a bank. Banks are in control right now, why would you want the next best thing in charge? That's what bitcoin is against.

I'm not saying this has to be a bad thing, it could really benefit, but the possibility is still there. Geed is in human nature.

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May 14, 2013, 11:00:38 PM
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I love bitpay, but this is a really bad thing. Now bitpay has control over how bitcoin will work. I'm not sure if anyone noticed, but what ever the devs put in the code, is whats in everyones bitcoin. It will now be what bitpay wants to see changed, not what the users want, because of course, no one is going to download the latest version from johnjoe who no one knows, over the dev for the past 3 years.

Other than that worry, congrats. I'm curious, are you being paid in bitcoin?



Did you know that Gavin once worked for CoinLab? Did you know he now works for Bitcoin Foundation?

Linux development is partially from paid workers for RedHat, SUSE, etc. There's no reason Bitcoin should be different.

They don't have control of the bitcoin protocol even me with my tin foil hat against the devs doesn't believe that. I do believe that it gives them a huge edge against other payment processors, they can have bitcoinds built for the purpose of being an enterprise solution and they can license that out, for another income. That would allow them to crush more companies out of the space. That is what scares me, cause if Jeff was smart, he write in the contract that everything he develops for them has to be open source and independent from bitpay's control.

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May 14, 2013, 11:21:48 PM
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I love bitpay, but this is a really bad thing. Now bitpay has control over how bitcoin will work. I'm not sure if anyone noticed, but what ever the devs put in the code, is whats in everyones bitcoin. It will now be what bitpay wants to see changed, not what the users want, because of course, no one is going to download the latest version from johnjoe who no one knows, over the dev for the past 3 years.

Other than that worry, congrats. I'm curious, are you being paid in bitcoin?



Did you know that Gavin once worked for CoinLab? Did you know he now works for Bitcoin Foundation?

Linux development is partially from paid workers for RedHat, SUSE, etc. There's no reason Bitcoin should be different.

They don't have control of the bitcoin protocol even me with my tin foil hat against the devs doesn't believe that. I do believe that it gives them a huge edge against other payment processors, they can have bitcoinds built for the purpose of being an enterprise solution and they can license that out, for another income. That would allow them to crush more companies out of the space. That is what scares me, cause if Jeff was smart, he write in the contract that everything he develops for them has to be open source and independent from bitpay's control.

Why shouldn't BitPay control the bitcoind that they pay him to make?
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May 14, 2013, 11:25:27 PM
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I love bitpay, but this is a really bad thing. Now bitpay has control over how bitcoin will work. I'm not sure if anyone noticed, but what ever the devs put in the code, is whats in everyones bitcoin. It will now be what bitpay wants to see changed, not what the users want, because of course, no one is going to download the latest version from johnjoe who no one knows, over the dev for the past 3 years.

Other than that worry, congrats. I'm curious, are you being paid in bitcoin?



Did you know that Gavin once worked for CoinLab? Did you know he now works for Bitcoin Foundation?

Linux development is partially from paid workers for RedHat, SUSE, etc. There's no reason Bitcoin should be different.

They don't have control of the bitcoin protocol even me with my tin foil hat against the devs doesn't believe that. I do believe that it gives them a huge edge against other payment processors, they can have bitcoinds built for the purpose of being an enterprise solution and they can license that out, for another income. That would allow them to crush more companies out of the space. That is what scares me, cause if Jeff was smart, he write in the contract that everything he develops for them has to be open source and independent from bitpay's control.

Why shouldn't BitPay control the bitcoind that they pay him to make?

BitPay can do whatever they want, I just said if Jeff was smart, he think with the mindset of helping the greater good, then just filling his pockets like some people on the dev team.

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May 14, 2013, 11:28:48 PM
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I love bitpay, but this is a really bad thing. Now bitpay has control over how bitcoin will work. I'm not sure if anyone noticed, but what ever the devs put in the code, is whats in everyones bitcoin. It will now be what bitpay wants to see changed, not what the users want, because of course, no one is going to download the latest version from johnjoe who no one knows, over the dev for the past 3 years.

Other than that worry, congrats. I'm curious, are you being paid in bitcoin?



Did you know that Gavin once worked for CoinLab? Did you know he now works for Bitcoin Foundation?

Linux development is partially from paid workers for RedHat, SUSE, etc. There's no reason Bitcoin should be different.

They don't have control of the bitcoin protocol even me with my tin foil hat against the devs doesn't believe that. I do believe that it gives them a huge edge against other payment processors, they can have bitcoinds built for the purpose of being an enterprise solution and they can license that out, for another income. That would allow them to crush more companies out of the space. That is what scares me, cause if Jeff was smart, he write in the contract that everything he develops for them has to be open source and independent from bitpay's control.

Why shouldn't BitPay control the bitcoind that they pay him to make?

BitPay can do whatever they want, I just said if Jeff was smart, he think with the mindset of helping the greater good, then just filling his pockets like some people on the dev team.

Best of luck in finding a dev that will make a vow of poverty. Because who knows... maybe secretly the (hypothetical) pizza delivery guy is a bitcoin developer and Domino's is actually telling him what to do.  Roll Eyes
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May 14, 2013, 11:29:47 PM
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This is getting on my nerves.
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May 14, 2013, 11:32:15 PM
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I love bitpay, but this is a really bad thing. Now bitpay has control over how bitcoin will work. I'm not sure if anyone noticed, but what ever the devs put in the code, is whats in everyones bitcoin. It will now be what bitpay wants to see changed, not what the users want, because of course, no one is going to download the latest version from johnjoe who no one knows, over the dev for the past 3 years.

Other than that worry, congrats. I'm curious, are you being paid in bitcoin?



Did you know that Gavin once worked for CoinLab? Did you know he now works for Bitcoin Foundation?

Linux development is partially from paid workers for RedHat, SUSE, etc. There's no reason Bitcoin should be different.

They don't have control of the bitcoin protocol even me with my tin foil hat against the devs doesn't believe that. I do believe that it gives them a huge edge against other payment processors, they can have bitcoinds built for the purpose of being an enterprise solution and they can license that out, for another income. That would allow them to crush more companies out of the space. That is what scares me, cause if Jeff was smart, he write in the contract that everything he develops for them has to be open source and independent from bitpay's control.

Why shouldn't BitPay control the bitcoind that they pay him to make?

BitPay can do whatever they want, I just said if Jeff was smart, he think with the mindset of helping the greater good, then just filling his pockets like some people on the dev team.

Best of luck in finding a dev that will make a vow of poverty. Because who knows... maybe secretly the (hypothetical) pizza delivery guy is a bitcoin developer and Domino's is actually telling him what to do.  Roll Eyes

How does signing a contract to keep all the stuff you create make you poor? Every contract I sign that hire me for development work, allows me to keep all rights to the programs, and libraries I create. It has not hinder any of my salaries and most the time, I get more praise for being so in tune with keeping what I make.

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May 14, 2013, 11:37:08 PM
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What happens if all the companies buy up all the core devs?

I figured the Dev's would be full time anyway as they would have been mining and in Bitcoin for a long time?
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May 14, 2013, 11:39:18 PM
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Good news.

People with talent + people with money = success

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May 14, 2013, 11:58:19 PM
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Jeff has a long history of Open Source development work .... I can't see him introducing code contributing to nefarious forks that only work in BitPay's favour ... and anyway he has to get Gavin to sign off on commits ... and worse comes to worse you could always use that branch of the code produced by the development monk sect who took a vow of poverty and study arcane crypto-math as a pastime (last seen in an enclave in the swiss alps some say) and only deliver their source code by USB sticks attached to the legs of carrier pigeon

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May 15, 2013, 01:20:00 AM
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Good news. Congrats to BitPay and Jeff.

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May 15, 2013, 01:23:07 AM
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Linus worked in Transmeta for a few years, and the community never had a problem. Conspiracy theorists need to get real.

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May 15, 2013, 01:57:29 AM
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Wait...you mean the devs need to eat? I thought they just ate code and went around giving gifts to people like Santa Claus all year round...

My whole belief system is ruined. I feel your pain Gweedo.

Hardfork aren't that hard.
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May 15, 2013, 01:59:11 AM
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Devs are "allowed" to make money you know.

Congratulations.
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May 15, 2013, 02:04:33 AM
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Devs are "allowed" to make money you know.

Congratulations.
It can certainly represent a conflict of interest. But it's no problem, I've long realized Bitcoin won't change anything fundamentally. Even in a success scenario, the block chain would be limited with extraorbitant fees for transactions, making it only possible for crypto fat cats to make use of Bitcoin's actual properties. The plebs would again be exposed to centralization and "banks", necessarily. Trust is not removed, only shifted.

I digress. Grin
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May 15, 2013, 02:08:35 AM
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Devs are "allowed" to make money you know.

Congratulations.
It can certainly represent a conflict of interest. But it's no problem, I've long realized Bitcoin won't change anything fundamentally. Even in a success scenario, the block chain would be limited with extraorbitant fees for transactions, making it only possible for crypto fat cats to make use of Bitcoin's actual properties. The plebs would again be exposed to centralization and "banks", necessarily. Trust is not removed, only shifted.

I digress. Grin

Don't worry Blitz ... people are out there working on the next layer for the "plebs" to enjoy bitcoin-like freedom too .... trust "noone".

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May 15, 2013, 02:11:14 AM
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Wait...you mean the devs need to eat? I thought they just ate code and went around giving gifts to people like Santa Claus all year round...

My whole belief system is ruined. I feel your pain Gweedo.

I think your completely missing my point... Please read my post again Wink I just hoped that Jeff signed a contract that helps the overall growth of the community as well. I already know partnering up with Bitpay and betting he has a stock option, so he is already rich, money is no problem for him.

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