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Question: What do you think about this type of game?
I just love Double Trouble-like games and have been playing it very often - 4 (14.8%)
It always good to come in the begining... And I'm trying to... - 7 (25.9%)
I don't care - 3 (11.1%)
All piramids are stupid - 8 (29.6%)
Hate them - 0 (0%)
It's illegal in my country - 2 (7.4%)
other - 3 (11.1%)
Total Voters: 26

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June 21, 2011, 01:36:41 PM
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So, let's discuss and see the result, it looks like they should be really popular with bitcoin... There are really lot of them on this forum and it looks like it is a longterm trend.

What is it?

It's like a pyramid scheme where every participant send their money awaiting that the amount sent will return twice and he isn't last in the waiting line, so somebody else can add something to the pot...
Example:
User 1 sends in 0.25 BTC; 0.25 BTC remains in pot
User 2 sends in 0.5 BTC; User 1 receives 0.5 BTC; 0.25 BTC remains in pot
User 3 sends in 0.75 BTC; User 2 receives 1 BTC; 0 BTC remains in pot
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June 21, 2011, 01:38:59 PM
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For me, it has the same risks as playing on market... I made merely equal profit on Mtgox and some DT games here....

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June 21, 2011, 01:41:32 PM
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Please explain what this is.

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June 21, 2011, 01:56:49 PM
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Sure, now you can read quick explanation of this scheme in the first message.
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June 21, 2011, 02:03:48 PM
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Me, personally, I don't like any pyramids at all, but for a moment, I can't stop myself to play with it as far as I see that one of them or another is good enough to multiply my bit-savings.
I don't like this trend because it may involve tons of frauds and, generally speaking, gaming and gambling should be always limited, especially in the internet (because of children)...
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June 21, 2011, 03:15:43 PM
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A Bloody Business

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June 21, 2011, 04:31:45 PM
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 No, nothing criminal about it... You just have to chose the right moment to get in, if you don't have confidence in something, you always could stay away. I made up only 8 BTC in past 2 days and this is really good start for me to play with.

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June 21, 2011, 04:45:48 PM
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So long as everyone knows exactly what it is, I seen it as no different to any other form of gambling. That's what it is really, just gambling

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June 21, 2011, 04:47:22 PM
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Just as is implied, they are great if you understand game mechanics and get in early enough to get a payout.  Otherwise you lose it all and it sucks.  There really is no easier way to double your early mining earnings though.

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June 22, 2011, 04:47:28 PM
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There are still nobody to hate them.... I really wonder why, it should be some people who lost something somehow....

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June 22, 2011, 05:19:25 PM
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I've probably lost more than I've won on them, but it's nice gambling regardless.

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June 22, 2011, 05:29:37 PM
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I believe all threads promoting them on this forum should be removed. And any listing of such "schemes" should be illegal. The reason....

Someone dared to compare pyramids to gambling here, nothing could be further from the truth. As someone who has been working with slot machine development, i can tell you the simple difference: On a gambling device the player has exactly the same chance of hitting big regardless of: if it's on an early play, or if it happens after 1million plays. In contrast to a pyramid scheme: chance of getting something out depends on how early you got in.

Therefore a pyramid scheme does not offer same chance to everyone, something gambling does.

Needless to say, from a legal point of view pyramids are no less illegal than silkroad, we really don't need any more of that it makes Bitcoin seem unserious and illegal.


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June 22, 2011, 06:39:00 PM
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 So, you know, the point is that in games like DT with a pure pyramidal scheme (at the moment there are plenty of them with more randomization) you just have to predict how long it could be profitable enough to return your money... It's just like hippodrome at my point of view...
 I lost much more money on gambling... I even have impression that there are no way to win anything in casino... Here, judging on my own experience, I have a chance at least...

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June 22, 2011, 06:54:07 PM
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Example:
User 1 sends in 0.25 BTC; 0.25 BTC remains in pot
User 2 sends in 0.5 BTC; User 1 receives 0.5 BTC; 0.25 BTC remains in pot
User 3 sends in 0.75 BTC; User 2 receives 1 BTC; 0 BTC remains in pot

What happens if user #1 sends 5 BTC and user #2 just 0.25?

Pot would be 5.25, but user #1 should get 2 x 5 = 10 BTC back.

Does this mean the creator of the game loses 4.75 BTC then?

Wouldn't it be quite easy to scam the Game-creator like that if you send two transactions from different addresses really, really quick after another?
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June 22, 2011, 07:07:26 PM
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Seems fine to me!

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June 22, 2011, 07:22:24 PM
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As long as there is an upper limit, it could be an interesting gamble. However, the risk to lose everything should make people aware of betting too high. The waiting list gets longer and longer though and at some point people just stop caring. To keep it sustainable, you would need like a 1/2 chance that you actually get paid or are skipped. Or maybe on a payment, the next person that will get paid is randomly selected (until enough btc is collected, he will get paid, and another random person will be selected). But that would make it more like a lottery, with the choice of amount you want to win...
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June 22, 2011, 07:35:37 PM
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As long as they are clear on how it works and the risks involved, i don't mind them; though i guess forbidding such games would be like childproofing a stove, an attempt to keep people that don't know better safe from getting harmed with somthing obviously dangerous

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June 22, 2011, 07:45:03 PM
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I heard through the bitvine (made that up) that Donald Trump is endorsing a new MLM where the downline is paid with...wait for it...bitcoins. Notice that Double Trouble and Donald Trump have the same initials.

Here's my "for real" take on this. I think we should concentrate our creativeness on other worthwhile endeavors that don't include sex, gambling (risk taking), drugs, etc.--just plain ole commerce. After the proverbial ball gets rollin', the before mentions are welcome to join the crowd along with religious and political concerns.

I'm not tryin' to police anything, it's just that I have a lot at stake. The 1.16 BTC I have in my hand tooled leather wallet is drivin' me crazy because I'm not sure how much of it to spend and how much of it to save as an investment.
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June 24, 2011, 12:24:47 AM
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From my point of view, all uprising economies have pyramidal period ...  The only question here is "extremely rich soil" for them in bitcoin economy....
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June 24, 2011, 12:58:26 AM
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The initial "investor" in these scams is the one who starts it with a few of their fake accounts (which is why there are so many threads, they are spammers, not popular at all). There is no pool of money, early people are reimbursed double by the payments of people who later buy in. Actually, the original person likely put in nothing, so it's pure profit for them. The list of people waiting to get their money back from new suckers will get longer and longer until the scammer who started it has their money, gets bored of sending payments around, and closes it, leaving suckers high and dry.

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