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August 03, 2017, 10:25:06 PM
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Dont get it why was people thinking that vega 64 will mine about 35MH same as FE (which doesnt have drivers, isnt optimized in miners, and overclock) vega 64 have about 120% increase on memory speed over rx 570, but again 64 is using 300wats, and costs about 500$, at the end it is the same thing
That is based on frontier and fury which both are hbm and they hash no more than 35mhs, get your facts straight. By the way who stirred rumors was gibbo from ocku which in my opinion, that guy would do everything for people to preorder the gpus from his website. I will only believe if he posts anything which for now is a closed case. "Where did you get that figure?" "Guy internally from one of the AIB's, maybe he is smoking the BS pipe. " It seems Gibbo heard from somebody, so point null, move on , nothing to see here yet. |
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August 03, 2017, 10:50:58 PM |
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Dont get it why was people thinking that vega 64 will mine about 35MH same as FE (which doesnt have drivers, isnt optimized in miners, and overclock) vega 64 have about 120% increase on memory speed over rx 570, but again 64 is using 300wats, and costs about 500$, at the end it is the same thing
That is based on frontier and fury which both are hbm and they hash no more than 35mhs, get your facts straight. By the way who stirred rumors was gibbo from ocku which in my opinion, that guy would do everything for people to preorder the gpus from his website. I will only believe if he posts anything which for now is a closed case. "Where did you get that figure?" "Guy internally from one of the AIB's, maybe he is smoking the BS pipe. " It seems Gibbo heard from somebody, so point null, move on , nothing to see here yet. HBM1 (fury is HBM1) and HBM2 isnt the same thing i read somewhere that HMB1 wasnt good for mining, because of latency, but time will tell, we can only speculate for now. |
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August 03, 2017, 11:31:53 PM |
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100 MH is pure BS...the THEORETICAL max that Vega can do with its 480GB/s bus is around 60MH. With overclocked memory (lets be generous and say 20% increase), you could theoretically be looking at ~70MH. Real world you can not hide 100% of the memory latency so 50-60 is more realistic.
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August 03, 2017, 11:53:58 PM |
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Memory Bandwidth != Memory Speed
HMB is not a boon for ethereum mining. If it was, everyone would be mining ETH with R9 Nanos. However, it will likely be very good for ZEC, as the Nano was.
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August 04, 2017, 02:19:52 AM |
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Well, this could be what makes Polaris cards essentially obsolete. With these kinds of cards entering the Ethereum mining atmosphere and the big freeze coming, Polaris could have a quicker end than we previously expected. Wonder how these guys hash on XMR and other algorithms, though. These are rumors, though, so don't take them too seriously. We don't know how these cards actually do in mining tasks.
How so? It still seems nvidia has a serious edge in the variability of coins it can mine well. If folks are using polaris cards for ETH they're giving up BTC they could be making more of off other algos. |
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August 04, 2017, 02:41:00 AM |
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Nothing but Gamer FUD to lock in pre-orders.
You will be lucky to get 50 mh on this card and even then that would be decent IF vega does not experience diminishing hashrate in which vega FE does.
I have a feeling the Gtx 1060 gb will be the eth leader in the future.
But there are other coins to mine such as Zcash so lets wait a bit and get real numbers on all the algos.
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August 04, 2017, 03:23:44 AM |
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Nothing but Gamer FUD to lock in pre-orders.
You will be lucky to get 50 mh on this card and even then that would be decent IF vega does not experience diminishing hashrate in which vega FE does.
I have a feeling the Gtx 1060 gb will be the eth leader in the future.
But there are other coins to mine such as Zcash so lets wait a bit and get real numbers on all the algos.
you sound so out of the loop lol. |
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August 04, 2017, 03:54:55 AM |
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70 mH would be super impressive. I hope Vega will destroy 1080Ti like Ryzen is destroying top Intel CPUs right now!
Price point of 499 makes it almost certain it does not beat the 1080 ti. If it clearly beats the 1080 ti why not list at 649. The 1080 ti sells well at 700-750 So everyone would buy a cheaper card if it is clearly best . |
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August 04, 2017, 04:13:01 AM |
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Pic or it didn't happen
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August 04, 2017, 05:12:05 AM |
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Pic or it didn't happen
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August 04, 2017, 05:19:42 AM |
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Any preorder?
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August 04, 2017, 09:44:26 PM |
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The ORIGIN of this rumor is one person that appears to work for a UK reseller site - and THEY claimed it was a "unconfirmed rumour from one person at one of the AIO partners" and supposedly due to some updates made to the drivers.
It seems VERY unlikely that a driver update could DOUBLE the performance (keep in mind, the Frontier Edition and the RX Vega 64 use THE SAME GPU), though I could easily see driver optimizations adding 10-20% more performance.
AMD has been comparing the Vega 64 vs the 1080 - NOT the 1080ti - but while it seems to be comparable to the 1080 on benchmarking (wins some, loses some), AMD has also made a point of comparing "MINUMUM FPS" in games not average.
They say it's because the min FPS is more closely related to how smooth a game feels (which is a valid point), but it also implies that they do NOT believe they actually match the overall performance - and they certainly do NOT match the TDP/power efficiency.
It also looks like the Vega RX 56 is going to be close in performance to the 1070 - but again, at a significantly higher power usage.
I'm planning to get one Vega RX 56 early on (there is a specific application it should work WELL on that I use, even if it turns out it's NOT a good cryptocoin mining card, or worse case I toss it in my current Gaming system as an upgrade from the current RX 470) and plan to run it through quite a few benchmarks before I decide if I want any more of them.
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August 05, 2017, 01:15:53 AM |
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claymore said vega fe 41mhs abit oc memory but unoptimized miner, with new gaming driver for rx vega & proper miner with some mod/ocing vega should get 60mhs or more
and the time will come as the grave for 1070/1080ti , huhahahaha bye2 nvidia miner
with heavy undervolted run under 200w we see the new king is shining
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August 05, 2017, 01:20:42 AM |
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claymore said vega fe 41mhs abit oc memory but unoptimized miner, with new gaming driver for rx vega & proper miner with some mod/ocing vega should get 60mhs or more
and the time will come as the grave for 1070/1080ti , huhahahaha bye2 nvidia miner
Who cares about Eth with nVidia ? facepalm nVidia mines GPU intensive algos , not memory dependent like ETH |
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August 05, 2017, 01:28:06 AM |
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I bet the rumor was probably started by a gamer who was pissed off that miner's f'd up the gaming gpu market and so he made this shit up hoping everyone all of the sudden stops buying GPU's to hold out for the Vega just so he could get his hands on a 1070 at retail price.
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August 05, 2017, 02:02:34 AM |
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a rumor becomes fact when there's a a bench mark in the real world application that hash rate sounds too good to be true. in actual mining i bet the hash could be max at 50mh/s. but it is still quite tempting to buy vs the nvidia gtx 1080ti 8gb. i know there are a lot of gamers waiting on the line when the 1080ti gets dumped by the miners when this vega's hash rate is true.
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August 05, 2017, 02:08:36 AM |
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claymore said vega fe 41mhs abit oc memory but unoptimized miner, with new gaming driver for rx vega & proper miner with some mod/ocing vega should get 60mhs or more
and the time will come as the grave for 1070/1080ti , huhahahaha bye2 nvidia miner
with heavy undervolted run under 200w we see the new king is shining
tbh, i have a feeling Nvidia is holding back on Pascal. The other day they announced a driver unlock for Pascal Titan's that increased compute performance GREATLY Some say it's to help combat any edge Vega would get coming up here. I have a feeling inna few weeks they may do the same on 1080ti, and im not a miner dev, but a compute performance increase seems to me would increase their mining capability  Time will tell, they announced RX Vega will be in the wild (in stores) Officially Aug 14th |
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August 05, 2017, 02:12:34 AM |
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AMDs marketing* strategy is ambiguity, lol
These guys sell so much hardware on lies
I feel sorry for anyone in here who has a ryzen chip in anything but a work station....
They're even targeting us miners with their lies. If this wasn't a paper launch and more than likely you're gonna be able to flip those GPUs for more than you got em. THere is no way I would consider buying them before I see it hashing on various algos unmodded.
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August 05, 2017, 02:24:35 AM |
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Well, the sweet spot on a 480 is around 1125 with tweaked memory timings and clocks and that pulls ~ 32mh/s so the core is only utilized at around 75%. That would mean a 480 is capable of roughly 43mh/s if it wasn't memory/thermal/power constrained. Efficiency would of course go right out the window.
Using that same math I'd figure that full on 4096 Stream Processor Vega should pull around 77mhs or so if it isn't memory/thermal/power constrained. That's also assuming AMD hasn't added some secret sauce to bump mining efficiency.
That being said, I'll believe it when I see it. AMD hasn't exactly delivered when it comes to their GPUs and really has been disappointing back to the 200 series.
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Apneal
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August 05, 2017, 02:37:15 AM |
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For the type of memory operations that ETH does, the R9 series has already shown that HMB is more constraining than GDDR5 (bandwidth != speed). To expect something different from HMB2 which is basically the exact same thing is ridiculous. HMB however has been shown to be very effective for ZEC memory operations, and I'm much more interested in the benchmarks for sols where I expect it to shine.
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