Is there really a split in Bitcoin community?

[hatshepsut93]

If you read some crypto or mainstream media, you can stumble upon phrases like "civil war", "feud", and most recently "Bitcoin split". This all implies that we have 2 roughly equal-sized camps, which I believe isn't the case.

Developers

Bitcoin Core developers oppose all recent big block proposals. Big block proposals have very small teams of developers.

Miners

Most miners will always vote for whatever is going to be more profitable for them. The recent Bcash fork showed us than hashrate follows the price.

Users

Economically, most users seem to favor Core's direction, Bitcoin's price was stable during August 1st, and now it's growing as SegWit lock-in is near. Bcash price is at around 8% after 4 days of trading and keeps falling.

Nodes

Bitcoin Core and UASF nodes together form 80% of all nodes.

[pooya87]

what i see is a small portion of this whole bitcoin thing who understand it well and have made up their mind. and there are a lot more opinions than just big block versus small blocks actually. some even say don't touch bitcoin and let it be as is.

the bigger group is the group of people who don't understand or have little understanding or maybe too lazy to educate themselves. these just follow others. which is very bad. that's why there has been so much propaganda. to sway the minds of these "sheeps" with things like /r/btc

Nodes

Bitcoin Core and UASF nodes together form 80% of all nodes.

its 75% with UASF being only 13% of it.
besides these numbers are never accurate! a lot of the times nodes like these are counted more than once
https://bitnodes.21.co/nodes/?q=42.60.217.183

https://bitnodes.21.co/nodes/?q=71.212.82.30

[Arkann]

I do not see any split in the bitcoin message. Appeared altcoyin BCC many people try to throw off and wait for an opportunity in his course. After that, they intend to join the classical bitcoin. Therefore, all the arguments about the enmity between the two groups are contrived.

[skyline247]

  By the look of it, it really doesn't matter. The price just went over $3,000 legitimately ( I mean for more than an hour) and it is actually over $3,100 as I write this. There might be a split or disagreement at this time, but the simple fact is Bitcoin is alive and well - better than it has ever been!

[FiendCoin]

If you read some crypto or mainstream media, you can stumble upon phrases like "civil war", "feud", and most recently "Bitcoin split". This all implies that we have 2 roughly equal-sized camps, which I believe isn't the case.

Developers

Bitcoin Core developers oppose all recent big block proposals. Big block proposals have very small teams of developers.

Miners

Most miners will always vote for whatever is going to be more profitable for them. The recent Bcash fork showed us than hashrate follows the price.

Users

Economically, most users seem to favor Core's direction, Bitcoin's price was stable during August 1st, and now it's growing as SegWit lock-in is near. Bcash price is at around 8% after 4 days of trading and keeps falling.

Nodes

Bitcoin Core and UASF nodes together form 80% of all nodes.

All the crazies left for Bcrash, THANK GOD!

[Scorpion]

I guess technically it's a split in the community even though it's 90/10. But also consider Bitcoin is free from Bcash altcoin forkers now so they are two different entities now.

[CryptosapienZA]

Only fools are busy feuding. I am in the crypto space for profit. My money will be put on both if I see entry positions. I dont have time for toddler tantrums. I'm carefully watching the market.

what i see is a small portion of this whole bitcoin thing who understand it well and have made up their mind. and there are a lot more opinions than just big block versus small blocks actually. some even say don't touch bitcoin and let it be as is.

the bigger group is the group of people who don't understand or have little understanding or maybe too lazy to educate themselves. these just follow others. which is very bad. that's why there has been so much propaganda. to sway the minds of these "sheeps" with things like /r/btc

This is 100% correct though. The sad truth is that most people in the Bitcoin space dont understand bitcoin. They have never even read the white paper.

[negancoin]

succeed or not. In my opinion, BCC is just another altcoin.

[Westfiled]

succeed or not. In my opinion, BCC is just another altcoin.

LOL agreed, i can assure that those BCC holder themselves still love their BTC that they don't want to trade their BTC for BCC but just sell their free BCC for BTC

[audaciousbeing]

For me the split I see is from the people who understands the technicalities of his bitcoin works and only a faction of them that are actively involved in the whole process. Aside that, the vast majority of the population are not concerned about the split as they are all driven by the quest to make money out of the whole scenerio and when that happen, they move to the next big thing to make money from.

[illyiller]

I guess technically it's a split in the community even though it's 90/10. But also consider Bitcoin is free from Bcash altcoin forkers now so they are two different entities now.

Yes, with any luck we will see the XT/Bitcoin Unlimited crowd ride off into the sunset with their Bitcoin Cash and leave the rest of us alone. 90/10 sounds like a bit of an exaggeration, too. But there is still the question of the BTC1/Segwit8x hard fork plan in November. That fork will have major corporate backing, including most well-known services. This could cause a real split, don't you think?

Personally, I'm still of the opinion that a hard fork is an altcoin, period. I'm definitely not the only one, but I'm not sure what a split would look like, if it came down to it. Either way, I'll be keeping coins on both forks for a while.

[btcney]

Well, is there really a split in the community? Of course there is and there always will be. Anything involving decision making will ultimately result in differences in opinions and there is really nothing we can do to try change people's opinions.

You're suggesting that there is no split, which i disagree. However i think that the amount of let's just say, "bitcoin cash" supporters is extremely small. And bitcoin cash basically has BU's support, and is basically at the other end of the bitcoin spectrum.

So basically, the title should be "is there really a very significant split in bitcoin community"? Which i think the answer is no. But if it's just is there a split, then obviously, yes. You can find a thread or two out of 20 or 30 on this forum about why BCC is superior and stuff like that.

[DoublerHunter]

I don't think that there is a split in bitcoin community because if there is a split in bitcoin community then there it is not that strong because you can see the changes in the price of bitcoin and it is pumping right now so i think there is only a minor percentage of people who move from bitcoin to bitcoin cash.

[ethereumhunter]

i think we don't know if there is a split in bitcoin community because we don't make any gathering from each places or city. but if we make like gathering, we can know each member of bitcoin user and we can see face by face and talk more about bitcoin. i don't want to hear that if bitcoin community is split because this will make bitcoin can be grow more.

[TheFriends]

Yes I think there was a split of the Bitcoin community 90/10. I think Bitcoin Cash will still win more followers

[dothebeats]

  By the look of it, it really doesn't matter. The price just went over $3,000 legitimately ( I mean for more than an hour) and it is actually over $3,100 as I write this. There might be a split or disagreement at this time, but the simple fact is Bitcoin is alive and well - better than it has ever been!

Judging by your comment, it seems that price matters to you more than future scaling development. What we've exercised during the August 1st fork is our power to decide which way would the protocol go. BCH is for rich miners who have the capability to mine efficiently even if the block size would be raised to 8MB and leaving small miners behind, thus centralizing the hash power (which is scary) whereas SegWit provides a rather economical solution for all, though a bit harsh on the miners' side tbh.

Would you rather have the blocks raised to 8MB and the hash rate to be centralized rather than an economical solution for all without sacrificing too much? If the former is priced higher than the latter, would you want to become a slave once more?

[XbladeX]

If you read some crypto or mainstream media, you can stumble upon phrases like "civil war", "feud", and most recently "Bitcoin split". This all implies that we have 2 roughly equal-sized camps, which I believe isn't the case.

Developers

Bitcoin Core developers oppose all recent big block proposals. Big block proposals have very small teams of developers.

Miners

Most miners will always vote for whatever is going to be more profitable for them. The recent Bcash fork showed us than hashrate follows the price.

Users

Economically, most users seem to favor Core's direction, Bitcoin's price was stable during August 1st, and now it's growing as SegWit lock-in is near. Bcash price is at around 8% after 4 days of trading and keeps falling.

Nodes

Bitcoin Core and UASF nodes together form 80% of all nodes.

All the crazies left for Bcrash, THANK GOD!

Yea I agree that Bcash is good thng becouse I hope most toxic people will leve space. Now 2x part will have less drama becose if MINERS wan't mine BIG blocks then they are free to do it on Bcash side.
What the problem then ? I want see Segwit in action and then if adjustment is needed act proportional to needs.
I was always was telling that hishrate goes with price... and miners doesn't contribiute to price moving UP at all.
All what miners are doing is DUMPING nothing more but just simply DUMPING.
If mining Dash would be profitable for them they would mine Dash and not BTC.
Giving BTC future keys to miners is stupid thing then - miners don't give a shit about BTC future LONG term.

[zoelhack]

Technically I do not yet know the occurrence of the split in today's bitcoin community, and the future will be what, if the bitcoin commodity breaks into two.

[KuromaYoichi]

It's not a significant split. It's just a fraction of the miner want to increase the blocksize and the rest of the community just want to leave it the same. But a lot of people don't understand and got scared by the fud. Maybe they will comeback later when they have more support to cause and cause another split in the community.

[Kprawn]

There will always be a group of people, who wants to swim against the stream. We have some very talented people, who

wants control over a Billion dollar experiment and also the power to control it. This caused a natural division in the

development team and also the miners with their own agendas. All of this spilled over to the users and now we have a fork

making a clear divide in the community.   .... Question is... Who believe strongly enough in their principles to back that

with their money.