Hey guys, remember Tenebrix?

[LOG123]

I know MarkM does 

https://github.com/Lolcust/Tenebrix-QT
Screw these sh!tty altcoins being pumped out faster than babies from an inbred southerner.
Let's go back to basics

[emerefer]

Lets go with fairbrix

[JimmyFL]

I'm getting compilation error with Tenebrix. I suppose it has something to do with 64b system.

[Adamlm]

Lets go with fairbrix

Yes, as the name says FAIRbrix was released without premine, as opposite to huge premined Tenebrix.
Both coins are still alive.

[ondratra]

Yes focus FAIRbrix guys!

[Buffer Overflow]

Does anyone know if there is still a visual block explorer for Tenebrix?

[markm]

Does anyone know if there is still a visual block explorer for Tenebrix?

Interesting question, i suppose it mostly depends on whether people create pull requests when they adapt such explorers to more coins so that the main source repo of the explorer thenceforward contains the support for the added coins.

If so then presumably there is an explorer and its one of the normal explorers anyone can grab from github or whatever to run at home or put online for others also to access or whatever they wish.

if not then maybe it is lost code or sitting in the backups of someone who made such a thing but failed to get it pulled into the repo it was derived from...

-MarkM-

[AgentME]

I thought we moved off of Tenebrix because of the premine to better currencies like Litecoin a long time ago?

[markm]

Premines can be destroyed, as novacoin showed.

Lolcust was planning to do that last time I checked, which is a pity considering that seemingly nowadays it has been learned that premines are essential in order to finance important infrastructure to make a coin a success...

Basically it could be a chance to test the theory that good can be accomplished using a pre-mine, without actually going out and creating yet another pre-mined coin; a huge pre-mine already exists, lets put that to good use before cluttering up the scene with yet more pre-mines...

But lolcust might well just destroy it, what a waste if it is true that pre-mines are so useful for creating infrastructure...

-MarkM-

[Buffer Overflow]

Primecoin wasn't premined and that seems to have plenty of traction. Premines generally leave a bad taste in people mouths.

I wanted a block explorer to analyse the blockchain to see where the millions of premines from block 1 have ended up. It shouldn't be too hard to pull the data from the daemon into PostgreSQL or MySQL. I'll have a try myself. Should be a good learning exercise.

[markm]

Good idea. supposedly it was 7 million and reserved for use in a mixer that never got built so it shouldn't really have gone much of anywhere yet.

-MarkM-

[AgentME]

Premines can be destroyed, as novacoin showed.

Lolcust was planning to do that last time I checked, which is a pity considering that seemingly nowadays it has been learned that premines are essential in order to finance important infrastructure to make a coin a success...

Basically it could be a chance to test the theory that good can be accomplished using a pre-mine, without actually going out and creating yet another pre-mined coin; a huge pre-mine already exists, lets put that to good use before cluttering up the scene with yet more pre-mines...

But lolcust might well just destroy it, what a waste if it is true that pre-mines are so useful for creating infrastructure...

-MarkM-

Premines are just a type of centralization, so I don't find it surprising they're not popular. I'm not really sure how they're all that necessary anyway: if the coin is popular on launch, then bounties don't need to be given out by the developer to get infrastructure developed. If the coin isn't popular on launch, then the dev can mine profitably for a while. But I think the more innovative coins don't have trouble with being popular enough on launch.

[markm]

Yeah he was maybe kind of trying to force mixing on everyone, even though evidently only a minority, maybe even only a very small minority, want such a feature. So not only centralisation but central planning maybe, lets make everyone pay for a feature only some people actually want.

But hey, small miners have to take what they can get, only a few coins are low enough difficulty to let a small miner get a nice fraction of the coins, and usually only those that are not in exchanges or, if in exchanges, are extremely cheap to buy (in which case maybe a small miner might buy some instead of mining some, thus conserving the small mining capability for coins one could maybe get a larger fraction of by mining than one could buy cheap of the ones that are on exchanges but cheap).

-MarkM-

[defaced]

Fairbrix > Tenebrix

[markm]

Fairbrix > Tenebrix

Sure, and that is reflected in the number of connections you get with them, which likely also correlates somewhat to the number of people mining them. Maybe one core could get a larger fraction of all the Tenebrix that will be left once Lolcust destroys the pre-mine than it could get of all the Fairbrix that more people are pointing CPUs at. Though larger miners, who have two cores not just one, don't have to put all their cores in one basket, they could throw one core at each if they chose to do so.

-MarkM-

[Buffer Overflow]

Good idea. supposedly it was 7 million and reserved for use in a mixer that never got built so it shouldn't really have gone much of anywhere yet.

-MarkM-

The block reward at block 1 was 7769999.00000000 TBX, then continues with 25.00000000 TBX for each block after that.

Interestingly block 0 had 50.00000000 TBX as the reward. I assume this was a developer oversight not changed from the original Bitcoin code. Block 0 is unspendable, the same as the Bitcoin blockchain, so I guess it doesn't matter.

The coinbase for the genesis block is:
04ffff001d01044c69224966206120746563686e6f6c6f676963616c206665617420697320706f7 37369626c652c206d616e2077696c6c20646f2069742e20416c6d6f737420617320696620697427 7320776972656420696e746f2074686520636f7265206f66206f7572206265696e6722

convert this hex to ascii translates to:

"If a technological feat is possible, man will do it. Almost as if it's wired into the core of our being"

[markm]

Interestingly block 0 had 50.00000000 TBX as the reward. I assume this was a developer oversight not changed from the original Bitcoin code. Block 0 is unspendable, the same as the Bitcoin blockchain, so I guess it doesn't matter.

Did they change the address that was to get the genesis coins?

I wonder because for example all of UKB, CDN, MBC, GMC, GRF, NKL etc deliberately left Satoshi his 50 coins in the genesis block as a deliberate tribute so he would have a little of each coin that was created using his code.

It wasn't until much much later that it became generally known that in fact some bug or other in the code turned out to be preventing him from ever spending them.

I am not sure why bitcoin devs haven't fixed whatever bug that was, or at least added it to their "if we ever do a hard fork" list. (Though they did a hardfork not so long ago, i wonder why it wasn't fixed then. Maybe for bitcoin itself it isn't important because we know Satoshi got plenty of bitcoins, but for all the coins descended from bitcoin it seems rather shabby to continue to propagate that bug so that he isn't getting that small tribute of each and every coin using his code...)

-MarkM-

[kelsey]

Yes focus FAIRbrix guys!

booted up my old FAIRbix surprised it connected but yeah very unstable (crashes on my win 7)

[AgentME]

You guys are forgetting the several vulnerabilities of TBX, FBX and even GeistGeld...namely being the Time Travel Exploit that was never fixed. One of the reasons Litecoin came about in the first place, LTC is immune to it and had no premine.



~BCX~

I've heard mentions about the past time travel exploit with bitcoin, but could never find a description of it. I think I can imagine what the attack was, but I'd be happy if you could link me to more information on it.

[kelsey]

LTC is immune to it and had no premine.

premine instamine its all the same