Jesus Christ is comming back here

[Vod]

Actually, you were the one who was told over and over that God doesm't exist, until you blocked Him out of your heart and mind.

No, I determined for myself it was a fairy tale.  

What other BS you got?

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[hitrawal91]

This is nonsense. There is no Jesus or God or anything like that. The only reason you embrace this belief is because it makes you feel better about dying one day. What a waste of time.

The great placebo in the sky!!!

[BADecker]

This is nonsense. There is no Jesus or God or anything like that. The only reason you embrace this belief is because it makes you feel better about dying one day. What a waste of time.

The great placebo in the sky!!!

Except for one major gigantic point. All of nature acts and is a machine made up of countless micro-machines. The only way we have any idea that machinery like this could come into being is that it was built or made. Anybody who could make such machinery fits our definition of "God."

There are two kinds of people in this world:
1. Those who understand the above, and;
2. Those who won't let themselves understand the above.

Jesus/God can't reject Himself. Nobody has the power to mentally make rejection of Jesus/God last within Himself forever. If you continue to reject Jesus/God, you will only ultimately prove to reject yourself.

[r1a2y3m4]

This is nonsense. There is no Jesus or God or anything like that. The only reason you embrace this belief is because it makes you feel better about dying one day. What a waste of time.

Nonsense for you but this is full of sense for other people. I think it's better for us not to argue each religion in here. There could be no peace in terms of discussion about religion. It's because all of us has different beliefs and I believe it's hard changing that beliefs.

[Astargath]

^^^ There is a major difference between Jesus Christ and the others. The others have been dead for ages, or never existed. Jesus arose from the dead, and is powerfully alive.

Jesus exists through all time. He helped create the universe, was even the controlling factor in the creation.

You are treading on dangerous ground when you talk against Him.

Go to a cemetery and walk through it. Consider that you don't have any control, just like those poor dead jokers didn't. Be wise. Be humble, even fearful. God controls, not you or anyone else.

''Jesus arose from the dead'' How do you know that though? Which method did you use to determine that actually happened? I'm quite curious since you claim the scientific method sucks yet you seem to have some mysterious method to determine whether something happened or not without even using science.

The Holy Spirit filled my heart with the certainty that Jesus arose from death. This means that I didn't use any method to determine it.

Since you don't really even understand what the scientific method does and how it works, why would you think that I claim that it sucks? Do you mean like a vacuum cleaner? Like a sucker fish? Like the front end of a jet engine?

That's okay. I'm not really that curious.

''The Holy Spirit filled my heart with the certainty that Jesus arose from death. This means that I didn't use any method to determine it.'' And how do you know it was the holy spirit and how do you know it's true then? I can say the Holy spirit filled my heart with the certainty evolution is real.

[BADecker]

^^^ There is a major difference between Jesus Christ and the others. The others have been dead for ages, or never existed. Jesus arose from the dead, and is powerfully alive.

Jesus exists through all time. He helped create the universe, was even the controlling factor in the creation.

You are treading on dangerous ground when you talk against Him.

Go to a cemetery and walk through it. Consider that you don't have any control, just like those poor dead jokers didn't. Be wise. Be humble, even fearful. God controls, not you or anyone else.

''Jesus arose from the dead'' How do you know that though? Which method did you use to determine that actually happened? I'm quite curious since you claim the scientific method sucks yet you seem to have some mysterious method to determine whether something happened or not without even using science.

The Holy Spirit filled my heart with the certainty that Jesus arose from death. This means that I didn't use any method to determine it.

Since you don't really even understand what the scientific method does and how it works, why would you think that I claim that it sucks? Do you mean like a vacuum cleaner? Like a sucker fish? Like the front end of a jet engine?

That's okay. I'm not really that curious.

''The Holy Spirit filled my heart with the certainty that Jesus arose from death. This means that I didn't use any method to determine it.'' And how do you know it was the holy spirit and how do you know it's true then? I can say the Holy spirit filled my heart with the certainty evolution is real.

You can attest to anything that you want. You can believe anything that you want. Why can't I? The thing we are talking about is personal proof.

I had a friend who in college did an actual college-style debate on evolution. His team beat the evolutionists' team logically. But this doesn't have anything to do with our personal beliefs about evolution, one way or the other. And that is the way you posted your post that I am responding to... personal beliefs.

How do I know that you don't believe that you are lying when you post as you did?

Jesus will return, and speedily, within 100 years (for most of us), because the next thing we will see after we die, is Jesus calling us out of the grave in the resurrection, even if it takes Him 10,000 more literal years to get here.

[Astargath]

^^^ There is a major difference between Jesus Christ and the others. The others have been dead for ages, or never existed. Jesus arose from the dead, and is powerfully alive.

Jesus exists through all time. He helped create the universe, was even the controlling factor in the creation.

You are treading on dangerous ground when you talk against Him.

Go to a cemetery and walk through it. Consider that you don't have any control, just like those poor dead jokers didn't. Be wise. Be humble, even fearful. God controls, not you or anyone else.

''Jesus arose from the dead'' How do you know that though? Which method did you use to determine that actually happened? I'm quite curious since you claim the scientific method sucks yet you seem to have some mysterious method to determine whether something happened or not without even using science.

The Holy Spirit filled my heart with the certainty that Jesus arose from death. This means that I didn't use any method to determine it.

Since you don't really even understand what the scientific method does and how it works, why would you think that I claim that it sucks? Do you mean like a vacuum cleaner? Like a sucker fish? Like the front end of a jet engine?

That's okay. I'm not really that curious.

''The Holy Spirit filled my heart with the certainty that Jesus arose from death. This means that I didn't use any method to determine it.'' And how do you know it was the holy spirit and how do you know it's true then? I can say the Holy spirit filled my heart with the certainty evolution is real.

You can attest to anything that you want. You can believe anything that you want. Why can't I? The thing we are talking about is personal proof.

I had a friend who in college did an actual college-style debate on evolution. His team beat the evolutionists' team logically. But this doesn't have anything to do with our personal beliefs about evolution, one way or the other. And that is the way you posted your post that I am responding to... personal beliefs.

How do I know that you don't believe that you are lying when you post as you did?

Jesus will return, and speedily, within 100 years (for most of us), because the next thing we will see after we die, is Jesus calling us out of the grave in the resurrection, even if it takes Him 10,000 more literal years to get here.

Well you can believe whatever you want but it doesn't make it real, there is 0 scientific evidence pointing towards the existence of Jesus or the God from the bible, in fact most of science disproves the Bible, the Flood, the magic stories, the age of the earth/universe, etc.

[BADecker]

Well you can believe whatever you want but it doesn't make it real, there is 0 scientific evidence pointing towards the existence of Jesus or the God from the bible, in fact most of science disproves the Bible, the Flood, the magic stories, the age of the earth/universe, etc.

Actually, most of science proves the Bible. Believe whatever you want.

[Vod]

Actually, most of science proves the Bible. Believe whatever you want.

Truth is, most of the bible has been disproved by science.  But you still force your beliefs on others lol....

[OgNasty]

Believe whatever you want.

But you still force your beliefs on others lol....

Reading is hard.

[Vod]

Believe whatever you want.

But you still force your beliefs on others lol....

Reading is hard.

Understanding is even harder.

Look beyond this moment and see his actions do not follow his words.   Like your other friend Quickseller. 

[sweetbet]

Jesus is coming back, BUT each person's time on this earth might end before he comes back, so always be prepared to meet him.

[Vod]

Believe whatever you want.

But you still force your beliefs on others lol....

Reading is hard.

Look!  Just a few hours later, BD pushing his beliefs on others...
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1424793.msg50464518#msg50464518

Don't be so easily fooled, OG.

[Astargath]

Well you can believe whatever you want but it doesn't make it real, there is 0 scientific evidence pointing towards the existence of Jesus or the God from the bible, in fact most of science disproves the Bible, the Flood, the magic stories, the age of the earth/universe, etc.

Actually, most of science proves the Bible. Believe whatever you want.

Would like to know what exactly. Certainly not the age of the universe or the earth, certainly not evolution, certainly not the fact that in no history book or any book at all except the bible exists any story about a worldwide flood, what exactly in science supports anything in the bible?

[BADecker]

Well you can believe whatever you want but it doesn't make it real, there is 0 scientific evidence pointing towards the existence of Jesus or the God from the bible, in fact most of science disproves the Bible, the Flood, the magic stories, the age of the earth/universe, etc.

Actually, most of science proves the Bible. Believe whatever you want.

Would like to know what exactly. Certainly not the age of the universe or the earth, certainly not evolution, certainly not the fact that in no history book or any book at all except the bible exists any story about a worldwide flood, what exactly in science supports anything in the bible?

Rather than attempting to show you the proof, because you simply are ignorant about science enough that I would have to teach you from the basics, I will simply show you the big flaw in Big Bang. From there you can apply this basic flaw to the rest of science yourself.

The BB flaw has to do with the math of BB. Here it is. In the supposed beginnings of BB, we assume that math acted the same as, or very similar to, the way it acts now. But the point of all the differences in BB times, shows that the math would have to be different, as well.

What this means is, we can’t use our math on BB... or to extrapolate back to BB. To extrapolate back, we need to first figure out the changes in the way math worked back into the past... the BB of math, which would be the math of BB. The point is that we don’t know anything about BB, or even if there really was a BB, simply because we don't know how to extrapolate back to the math of BB so we can apply math correctly to see if it would have shown us BB or not.

You can apply this kind of thinking to all the science where there isn’t much or any hands-on observation, but basically only observation by extrapolation.


The above is shown by the Bible in the Creation:

1. God created the heavens and the earth. The creation is void, formless, and rather empty. In other words, most of our laws of physics didn’t necessarily apply to the universe at that time. The math of BB shows us this... no application of that math, because we can’t begin to understand what BB math might have been like, and therefore the whole idea of BB is science fiction, because we can't use our math in circumstances where the math was different.

2. God creates light. The stuff that was formless and void gained some order in the form of the electromagnetic spectrum. Does time have to do with the electromagnetic spectrum? Absolutely, even though time itself probably works beyond electromagnetics, as well. The point is, we can’t extrapolate backward in time until we know how time worked back then. And time certainly didn’t work the same as it does now, because both, the physics of the universe, and the electromagnetic spectrum were not set in place in the same way that they are now. Or do you have some proof that they were?

3. Next there is the creation of an expanse that separates water under the expanse, from water that is above the expanse. What is the expanse? Is it simply the sky of the atmosphere? Or is it the “sky” of the whole of outer space? Either way, the things that we don’t know about the past, keep all of our extrapolation from being necessarily anywhere near accurate. We can’t tell if there was a time without outer space or not. If we want to say that BB shows that there was such a time, we again don’t know because BB requires a different physics and a different math. Otherwise it wouldn’t be BB. Or do you have some proof that BB math and physics were the same as ours?


The point is laid out in the most basic of sciences that we have - cause & effect. In order to extrapolate backward to BB, or to extrapolate the age of the universe, we need to know all the causes of each effect in their entirety. If we are wrong in any of them, we extrapolate incorrectly.

C&E the basic. It pervades everything that we understand in every way that we understand. Next are entropy and complexity. These three together pervade everything. We don’t have a clue as to what a universe like ours would be like without one of them. Together they show that the universe is a machine of machines upon machines inside of machines and outside of machines.

Whatever started this whole thing going should be named. Some call it God. Others call it the Great Spirit. But the Bible explains it best.


Don’t let the parading of limited science draw you away from the rest of the story. The fact that science is so limited, is only science proving the Bible. The Bible shows how science is wrong (the above BB example), and becomes the correct science by doing this.

[Vod]

The BB flaw has to do with the math of BB. Here it is. In the supposed beginnings of BB, we assume that math acted the same as, or very similar to, the way it acts now. But the point of all the differences in BB times, shows that the math would have to be different, as well.

Wrong as usual.  We know the laws of physics break down in certain situations.

That's how we know your imagination means nothing to everyone but your mom. 

[Astargath]

Well you can believe whatever you want but it doesn't make it real, there is 0 scientific evidence pointing towards the existence of Jesus or the God from the bible, in fact most of science disproves the Bible, the Flood, the magic stories, the age of the earth/universe, etc.

Actually, most of science proves the Bible. Believe whatever you want.

Would like to know what exactly. Certainly not the age of the universe or the earth, certainly not evolution, certainly not the fact that in no history book or any book at all except the bible exists any story about a worldwide flood, what exactly in science supports anything in the bible?

Rather than attempting to show you the proof, because you simply are ignorant about science enough that I would have to teach you from the basics, I will simply show you the big flaw in Big Bang. From there you can apply this basic flaw to the rest of science yourself.

The BB flaw has to do with the math of BB. Here it is. In the supposed beginnings of BB, we assume that math acted the same as, or very similar to, the way it acts now. But the point of all the differences in BB times, shows that the math would have to be different, as well.

What this means is, we can’t use our math on BB... or to extrapolate back to BB. To extrapolate back, we need to first figure out the changes in the way math worked back into the past... the BB of math, which would be the math of BB. The point is that we don’t know anything about BB, or even if there really was a BB, simply because we don't know how to extrapolate back to the math of BB so we can apply math correctly to see if it would have shown us BB or not.

You can apply this kind of thinking to all the science where there isn’t much or any hands-on observation, but basically only observation by extrapolation.


The above is shown by the Bible in the Creation:

1. God created the heavens and the earth. The creation is void, formless, and rather empty. In other words, most of our laws of physics didn’t necessarily apply to the universe at that time. The math of BB shows us this... no application of that math, because we can’t begin to understand what BB math might have been like, and therefore the whole idea of BB is science fiction, because we can't use our math in circumstances where the math was different.

2. God creates light. The stuff that was formless and void gained some order in the form of the electromagnetic spectrum. Does time have to do with the electromagnetic spectrum? Absolutely, even though time itself probably works beyond electromagnetics, as well. The point is, we can’t extrapolate backward in time until we know how time worked back then. And time certainly didn’t work the same as it does now, because both, the physics of the universe, and the electromagnetic spectrum were not set in place in the same way that they are now. Or do you have some proof that they were?

3. Next there is the creation of an expanse that separates water under the expanse, from water that is above the expanse. What is the expanse? Is it simply the sky of the atmosphere? Or is it the “sky” of the whole of outer space? Either way, the things that we don’t know about the past, keep all of our extrapolation from being necessarily anywhere near accurate. We can’t tell if there was a time without outer space or not. If we want to say that BB shows that there was such a time, we again don’t know because BB requires a different physics and a different math. Otherwise it wouldn’t be BB. Or do you have some proof that BB math and physics were the same as ours?


The point is laid out in the most basic of sciences that we have - cause & effect. In order to extrapolate backward to BB, or to extrapolate the age of the universe, we need to know all the causes of each effect in their entirety. If we are wrong in any of them, we extrapolate incorrectly.

C&E the basic. It pervades everything that we understand in every way that we understand. Next are entropy and complexity. These three together pervade everything. We don’t have a clue as to what a universe like ours would be like without one of them. Together they show that the universe is a machine of machines upon machines inside of machines and outside of machines.

Whatever started this whole thing going should be named. Some call it God. Others call it the Great Spirit. But the Bible explains it best.


Don’t let the parading of limited science draw you away from the rest of the story. The fact that science is so limited, is only science proving the Bible. The Bible shows how science is wrong (the above BB example), and becomes the correct science by doing this.

1. How do you know?
2. How do you know?
3. How do you know?

''The point is laid out in the most basic of sciences that we have - cause & effect.'' Cause and effect is not science, is philosophy. Science is: For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction, that's newton's 3rd law.

'' But the Bible explains it best.'' Explaining something is way different than stating something. The bible explains, literally, nothing. It states god did this and that but has no science to back it up. There are hundreds, thousands of books actually that state a different god, entity, created the universe.

[BADecker]

^^^ We are finding out that science is philosophy. How? We are finding out two things about the complexity of nature and the nature of complexity:
1. How some of the complexity works;
2. That complexity is so great that we don't see the end of how it is increasingly greater the more we look.

In other words, we don't even know where the point is that "stuff" is not more complex than we think, as we continue to find greater and greater complexity. All of science is simply a part of philosophy, even as philosophy is an aspect of science at times.

This means that much of what you say doesn't have anything to do with the things of my post which you quoted. The biggest thing is "how do you know?" from the standpoint that the focus is on me. If you had stated it with the focus on the science, you would see that standard science, itself, upholds biblical science.

This, again, shows the subtle way that you are attempting to push the talk into a form of political correctness rather than focusing on science.

This makes me even more certain that Jesus is coming back. And it does the same for you. You simply won't admit it.

[Vod]

This makes me even more certain that Jesus is coming back. And it does the same for you. You simply won't admit it.

Gullibility is not an admiral trait... 

[Ahiaba]

This is nonsense. There is no Jesus or God or anything like that. The only reason you embrace this belief is because it makes you feel better about dying one day. What a waste of time.

May God have mercy on you dude, Jesus Christ is coming and you better repent or you Perris in hell fire. I never know there are more people with this kind believe like you.