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[Welsh]

This sounds good, you will have to provide more information, especially pictures of the actual plane. Please, keep us up to date and provide a little more information, thanks.

[Matthew N. Wright]

I wouldn't be surprised due to your attempts to obfuscate (something the internet hates by nature) the very next person who gets information from you simply releases it here in this thread. I think you made too big of a deal about it and should have just kept things simple.

[Matthew N. Wright]

Also isnt the point of Bitcoins to keep it private?

Everyone uses bitcoins for different reasons. I don't think the *point* of bitcoin is privacy, nor is the *point* to be able to buy drugs easier, people just use it for what they want. Personally? I use it so I can buy a plane on a forum easily without ever stepping foot on the tarmac.  

[CurbsideProphet]

You're going through great lengths to keep information opaque yet will release full information for a measly 0.01BTC?  I don't follow the logic unless this is to scam someone out of 1BTC.

[CurbsideProphet]

You're going through great lengths to keep information opaque yet will release full information for a measly 0.01BTC?  I don't follow the logic unless this is to scam someone out of 1BTC.

You have to give all info out to sell an airplane, that is just how it is.

Actually I would not make 0.01 BTC, that would just be the transfer fee to Bitcoin-QT to send the 0.99 BTC back to you, again I added the John K option if you want to work out the deal with him and pay him his escrow fees (therefore he would make 0.015 to send a PM and then a transfer back to you).   Once I get your info and verify I will tell him to send it back to you and I will release the information.

That's more than you need to pay for tx fees.  0.0005BTC is sufficient for most transactions unless you have a lot of "dust."  I would update your client since you're essentially wasting money on high fees that doesn't speed up the confirmation process.

I'm glad you're willing to use escrow, I just don't understand your logic.  What does sending you ~ $120 just to have you route it right back prove?  Is it just some sort of nominal good faith gesture you want?

[Eb0la]

I call upon someone here to create a new account on this forum, create a NEW Bitcoin address.. send it to him.. verify all information and get picture then release the information on this post.  Thats 1 way privacy
I don't understand the whole "OMG I CAN'T TELL YOU ANYTHING BUT I WANT BTC FROM YOU THEN I TELL YOU ALL!!  TRUST ME WINK WINK"
No one is going to be remotely interested in buying a plane with out the bare minimum of this:

At a minimum you must provide:
Model
Year
Engine hours
Airframe hours
Propeller hours
Condition paint/interior
State registered
Avionics

I am not trying to trash your thread but we are talking about an item that if not properly serviced can and will kill people.  I understand you want your commission and all.  Why should we have to pay you 1BTC to find out this information? People list this information all the time on public forum because they pretty much have to disclose it to potential buyers for them to be atleast remotely interested.

The hole thing to me just seems overly complicated and we haven't even found out a straight forward MAKE / MODEL.  Imagine how complicated it would get for the rest of the sale!  RED FLAG for me.

[Eb0la]

Fine!  Lets play the game.  Hopefully I win BTC just like SatoshiDice!

Is it a Beechcraft Bonanza 33?

[Eb0la]

So because I played your game and found out its actually a Beechcraft Bonanza 33 plane your now NOT going to sell it for Bitcoins?

I am really missing something here I think!  Its not like I am listing any details as to which plane it is or who the owner is..

[Matthew N. Wright]

I don't think you're cut out to be an agent if you don't understand why people pay commissions in the first place. The reason for people paying commission is most often because they don't *want* to handle things on their own, not because they don't know where to go to do it.

[Eb0la]

Fine!  Lets play the game.  Hopefully I win BTC just like SatoshiDice!

Yes, I told you info was in title and throughtout thread and before you post the controller ad its not in Lubbock, also could you remove your post answer so others wont think that as well.

Again this is another avenue to sell plane if not removed plane wont be for sell using bitcoin, and yeah I wont get a commission so I guess you win.

If you have a MOD or ADMIN from this board tell me to remove this information, I will gladly remove it.  Otherwise I think its in the best interest of potential buyers to have a general understanding of what they are buying.

[Matthew N. Wright]

I don't think you're cut out to be an agent if you don't understand why people pay commissions in the first place. The reason for people paying commission is most often because they don't *want* to handle things on their own, not because they don't know where to go to do it.

Fine then its a 3%, finders fee for me, 3% fee for me having to setup Bitcoin (so total 6%), 1% Bitpay and 3% for the owner getting an accepting bitcoin by choice fee in BTC for 10%

I don't think the fee breakdown is anyone's business and I for one didn't ask for it. All I asked was for pictures of the plane I might be buying. Try being more up front, you can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

[Eb0la]

Fine!  Lets play the game.  Hopefully I win BTC just like SatoshiDice!

Yes, I told you info was in title and throughtout thread and before you post the controller ad its not in Lubbock, also could you remove your post answer so others wont think that as well.

Again this is another avenue to sell plane if not removed plane wont be for sell using bitcoin, and yeah I wont get a commission so I guess you win.

If you have a MOD or ADMIN from this board tell me to remove this information, I will gladly remove it.  Otherwise I think its in the best interest of potential buyers to have a general understanding of what they are buying.

All information would be given to potential buyers on request after verification, I have asked mod for you to remove make/model.

And I will gladly conform if they so choose to ask me to remove it.

Thanks!

[uMMcQxCWELNzkt]

As a pilot, I'm absolutely confused why you refuse to give a proper model or photos. It just doesn't make any sense. No pilot is going to even ask for information for a purchase without knowing he can fly it or not, what problems there are with that particular model, if it's comfortable or not, if it's flight worthy, etc.. Either you want to sell the plane or you don't. Anything else is a scam of some sort (stolen plane, improper papers, not flight-worthy, etc).

http://www.aerotrader.com/sell/ <-- these people really must be doing something wrong making their sales public!

Am I the only one who finds the idea of stealing a plane amusing? 

[nottm28]

Ok, move on, there's nothing more to see here...

[ranlo]

After reading the posts in this thread... I couldn't help but laugh.

By the way, I'm selling a car. It was made after 2000 but that's all the information I can give you. Asking $90k or the equivalent in BTC. Don't ask for the make/model!

*Production years on airplanes give models if you look at number of seats and type of tails (again another clue)*

Again car sells versus airplanes are very different creatures.  Lets say I was selling a Cessna 172 which is it is not as I said in the post for $43,000k.

So I go to google and type in cessna 172 (an entry lever learning airplaine) for sale, it brings up basically the 5 sites to sell planes on Controller, Trade A Plane, ASO, Barnstormers and Aircraft Dealer.

I click on controller and search by price, it has 4-5 options around that price range, lets just use this one (since registration is pending)
http://www.controller.com/listingsdetail/aircraft-for-sale/CESSNA-172P-SKYHAWK/1981-CESSNA-172P-SKYHAWK/1279113.htm

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N5216K
It tells who owns it (Registration pending, probably due to recent sale prior to being sold buy guy in ad or controller)

But here is the old one - http://www.aircraftone.com/aircraft/registrations/lexington-ky-40515.asp

How easy was that would you want to be the seller or possible buyer (again those who can afford this with bitcoins might not want it made public, because its that easy)

Again clues to exact make a model are throughout the posts for people with aircraft experience.

I kind of follow. In a sense it appears you're doing the same thing a lot of people do with businesses (require that you sign an NDA prior to them giving any real details, to ensure you 1) are a capable buyer and 2) aren't going to share their financials/other information with anyone else). From that end, what you're doing makes sense.

However, I would think you could photoshop the images in a way that it doesn't give identifying information. After-all, while there may be 30 of a type of plane for sale, nothing is there to show that any of those are the same one you are. Plenty of people use private listings instead of public.

[b!z]

I kind of follow. In a sense it appears you're doing the same thing a lot of people do with businesses (require that you sign an NDA prior to them giving any real details, to ensure you 1) are a capable buyer and 2) aren't going to share their financials/other information with anyone else). From that end, what you're doing makes sense.

However, I would think you could photoshop the images in a way that it doesn't give identifying information. After-all, while there may be 30 of a type of plane for sale, nothing is there to show that any of those are the same one you are. Plenty of people use private listings instead of public.

Yes, that is exactly what I am trying to do.

Issue is the pictures are in my personal photobucket and that link is what I would be sending out.

Reupload them to imgur then.

[ranlo]

Reupload them to imgur then.

I had no idea what that was but got it done,

Here is 2 front & panel.
https://i.imgur.com/AwcSjnC.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/NXw6aoN.jpg

There you go! Now you're getting somewhere, .

I'm not in the market for a plane, I just found the thread somewhat peculiar. Good luck with your sale!

[Matthew N. Wright]

I see another one being sold here. Surely it's not the same one  

https://www.bitmit.net/en/item/26277-airplane

http://keycityflyers.com/aircraft.html

[ranlo]

I see another one being sold here. Surely it's not the same one  

https://www.bitmit.net/en/item/26277-airplane

http://keycityflyers.com/aircraft.html

I posted I saw this one earlier on thread it is now gone from bitmit.

This would be a good starter airplane but I would caution the hours SMOH on the engine, you would be looking at $10-15k in overhaul or a least $4k in top which i would recommend.

What does "SMOH" mean?

[Stunna]

Well, this is definitely a first. Please post some pictures.