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August 23, 2017, 06:32:55 PM
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Today I saw a video how hard it is to make voting system online instead of paper votes (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3_0x6oaDmI) (I mean votes for president, goverment elections). Like it can be easily manipulated and anonymity is a big problem. But as I'm deeping into cryptocurrencies I think that Zcash and it's forks like Hush - I think the technology it provides is the solution. Blockchain, decentralized, fully anonymous (z transactions). What do you guys think?

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August 24, 2017, 04:40:45 PM
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I think e-voting will not be safe.I don't understand how the e-vote system will work.Just see the movie "Man of the Year" and you'll understand what I mean.

The reason they are developing more the technology. Time will come when we don't need to go to selected precincts to vote instead we will be facing our own PCs to do the voting without cheating. Blockchain offers a lot of opportunities, but it needs to be used correctly. There may be some issues about this but I don't think that it will be used in a actual election if it is not really finished.



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August 24, 2017, 04:47:12 PM
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I think e-voting will not be safe.I don't understand how the e-vote system will work.Just see the movie "Man of the Year" and you'll understand what I mean.

I think e-voting works in Estonia(?) and was tested in few countries (Finland, France, Netherlands?). I'm just imagining... Each citizen will receive z-address (wallet and privite key can be generated only by goverment) and in the election weak each citizen will receive 1 coin and according to who they want to elect, they send this coin to the specific t-address (transparent). So that way everyone can see how much votes the candidate has but noone can tell who voted him. This is my simple idea that can be improved in many ways.
Thank you for movie recommendation Smiley

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August 24, 2017, 08:56:30 PM
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I think in the future, the path to E-Voting is certainly the way to go! I'm thinking of the improvements it might bring: quicker results, less paperwork, less people needed on site, huge improvements for people living in areas with bad infrastructure, where it might take a few hours to drive to the polls.

Problem is, we are still seeing so many issues with the reliability of such systems! In general, the USA have ruined the reputation of E-voting imho, because they had crappy voting machines for decades now, that didn't work as intended (first came to my attention during Bush v. Gore in 2000). And there were several stories of alleged voting machine during the 2016 election as well.

At the same time, I think the US are probably a bad example and give E-voting a worse reputation than deserved. I think that examples in Europe are probably the way to go: smaller countries, easier to administer and overview. If E-voting goes well there, I think the tech might be rolled out globally in a decade or two. But lets not rush things either - don't want Democracy to be killed by some easily hackable machines.
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August 24, 2017, 10:40:02 PM
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Blockchain technology for elections? Sounds good but I would always stay with the usual paper elections, this is more reliable to me though it takes time and it has a lot of paper works.

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August 25, 2017, 07:02:24 AM
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Voting sucks. Maybe we should try other forms of voting. Maybe using crypto will be the first step of this. In my opinion, creators may put complex game theory to discourage bribery. The hell with it, I think the whole concept of leadership is flawed. We don't need leaders to make our lives better. We are our own leaders, we just need set of rules and cooperation. Think about this, a school of fish has no leader but they maneuver in near perfect motion.

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August 25, 2017, 07:10:59 AM
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Personally, i think e-voting isn't such a bad idea. It will happen some time in the future so why not try it now. E-voting in my perspective has a more simpler and convenient way to vote, we can vote without all the hassle on going to the polling place. Although im not sure how the security works in voting online, it is still worth a try, since we are constantly improving by the use of technologies.

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August 25, 2017, 07:13:42 AM
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Evoting is coming. Evoting is already started to takes place in private institutions.
With people busy with themselves, they don't have time to waste a couple of hours just to caste a vote.

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August 25, 2017, 08:15:33 AM
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No matter what way election voting done dirty politicians always makes a way to manipulate the voting like hiringba hacker to manipulate voting

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August 25, 2017, 08:23:13 AM
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Perhaps for convenience, I will soon make the election in electronic form, but there may also be fraud with voices. While people are greedy for power and more money, they will forge the results of voting.

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August 25, 2017, 11:58:45 AM
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It can be possible, anyway no matter how you see to it that it is safe, corruption will still lead to cheating. It may not be the e-system but its the people behind it.
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August 25, 2017, 12:30:52 PM
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Today I saw a video how hard it is to make voting system online instead of paper votes (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3_0x6oaDmI) (I mean votes for president, goverment elections). Like it can be easily manipulated and anonymity is a big problem. But as I'm deeping into cryptocurrencies I think that Zcash and it's forks like Hush - I think the technology it provides is the solution. Blockchain, decentralized, fully anonymous (z transactions). What do you guys think?
This is good suggestion The Trunk.

Biometrics can actually be used to make things hard to hack or abused.
I don't fully know how Blockchain works but I think will be possible for countries to store fingerprints on Blockchain which will be impossible to hack or revealed. The finger prints can be linked to their various countries so citizens from another country won't be able to vote in countries his/her iisn't from.

All one needs to do during elections is to simply use a Finger Print Reader & vote for candidate of his/her choice on a Blockchain platform.

Blockchain voting is VERY WORKABLE

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August 25, 2017, 03:18:30 PM
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Blockchain technology for elections? Sounds good but I would always stay with the usual paper elections, this is more reliable to me though it takes time and it has a lot of paper works.
In my country many elections are being misused using paper but if elections are done online with a blockchain system it seems like no one will cheat.
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I don't think that e-voting will ever be as secure as paper ballots, there needs to be some kind of audit trail, we can however certainly use the blockchain in order to verify and publish voting data in a secure and transparent fashion.
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A very good idea which could help to increase the amount of people voting
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August 25, 2017, 10:29:23 PM
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I think e-voting will not be safe.I don't understand how the e-vote system will work.Just see the movie "Man of the Year" and you'll understand what I mean.
I always say that anything made by Human Being can be exploited  and the same goes for this electronic voting systems, There is no way that elections results from the the systems cant be rigged, Paper ballot sheets are the best way to ensure free and fair elections and even that is sometimes rigged.



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August 27, 2017, 03:44:01 PM
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All elections are faked, because the secret government pays for the victory of the candidate they need. Perhaps electronic voting will be convenient, but voices there will also be tampered with.

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Elections in anywhere in the world cannot and will never be perfect whether via manual voting or through e-voting simply because of the fact that the moment humans are involved, its bound to have some issues and that is what we are going to continue to face. Election should not be about anonymity because that will even pose a further threat to the existing system because votes will come without knowing those who are voting. How do we hold the leaders responsible, how do we know the total number of people that voted among other questions.



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August 30, 2017, 01:09:24 AM
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Blockchains and related tech opens up so much more than just electronic selection of our representatives (representative democracy) which is universally a pretty shitty form of 'democracy' as practiced. I want much more than every few years to have one chance to directly influence the choice of a representative given too much power with little counter, thus far too open to corrupt. Bring on liquid democracy and other innovations that permit rapid, real-time cooperative decision-making at scale. Governance mechanisms emerging from Decentralized Autonomous Organizations will be worth watching, as will the efforts of a few nations (especially Estonia although that is just representative selection) and a few nonprofits (e.g. Democracy Earth) building toward test implementations in organizations.
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August 30, 2017, 01:35:52 AM
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When the technology has advanced so much, It will be foolish for us not to use it in the elections. Conducting elections online will reduce the cost, and at the same time it will increase the participation levels.

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