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May 22, 2013, 04:22:05 PM
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No THAT IS COMMUNISM. If anyone is in control (EVEN WORKERS). it's Communism.

No, communism is a term coined by Engels and Marx as an interpretation or "advancement" of socialist theory. Communism may be distinguished from socialism by the idea that a global revolution and world-wide solidarity between workers (hence "The Internationale") is needed to overcome the stranglehold of the state and rich capitalists.

Needless to say, there is a lot of disagreements between the different schools of thought.

I still say that communism has been tried to achieve, but it always ended in totalitarianism.

The Soviet Union and the Eastern Bloc was not communism, it's better described as monopolistic state-controlled capitalism (all capital in the hands of the state). Rulers often abuse and pervert ideologies to justify dictatorship. Marxists would argue that today's capitalism is ending in totalitarianism as well (I know we don't have a truly free market but then again how can it ever exist? You don't like the central bank? Well guess how it came into existence. Due to the concentration of capital in the most powerful "free" banks who then went on to lobby for the central banking system on Jeckyll Island.)

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May 22, 2013, 04:23:28 PM
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I still say that communism has been tried to achieve, but it always ended in totalitarianism.

And I don't think communism is really overly bad once we have certain level of production, which we are far away now...

Totalitarianism kind of overlaps with communism. If one group is in charge and everyone else is equally poor... Then the guys in charge are probably usually totalitarian...

Mixing up ideologues or theories and systems that has used the name isn't really good.

It's like saying that capitalism or free market systems are bad because there is government intervention... Even as there hasn't been pure systems lately...

True. I'm not saying it's always totalitarian. But Russia and Venezuela and the other communist countries ended up that way

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May 22, 2013, 04:27:06 PM
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True. I'm not saying it's always totalitarian. But Russia and Venezuela and the other communist countries ended up that way

My point is that one shouldn't say what communism is based on what "communist" countries were.  And same really goes to any system.

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May 22, 2013, 04:28:29 PM
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True. I'm not saying it's always totalitarian. But Russia and Venezuela and the other communist countries ended up that way

My point is that one shouldn't say what communism is based on what "communist" countries were.  And same really goes to any system.

I didn't say what communism was based on those countries. When I was adding totalitarianism it was in response to someone's post. It was in no way an umbrella statement about communism.

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May 30, 2013, 09:20:04 PM
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Socialism is the younger brother of a decrepit despotism, which it wants to succeed.

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May 30, 2013, 09:22:34 PM
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What's despotism?

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May 30, 2013, 09:26:53 PM
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Socialism is a society in which everyone is forced to pay for the "free" things that society provides

ex. USA

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