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August 26, 2017, 03:51:54 AM
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Theymos is a true liberation and is a strong believer in a free market. The signature spammers generate a lot of page views which increases the value of forum ads and increases the influence of the forum (and in turn the influence of theymos via his ability to set forum policy). Sig spammers decrease the value of each page view although the net effect I think is so that total ad revenue is higher than it would otherwise be.

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August 26, 2017, 04:46:33 AM
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I noticed too in recent years the quality of the posts and replies is simply 90% trash. I sometime join sig campaigns, but it does not affect my post quality because I enjoy writing long and thoughtful replies.

Mods should seriously step up their game in removing one liner post/replies. Better yet, implement a "character minimum" on posts, and mods should aggressively ban people for cheating the minimum. Bans of 1-2 weeks should be handed out pretty regularly.

I'm thinking, an average of your past 10 posts, should be higher than 50 characters. So this will allow occasional one liner, but not constant stream of one liners.
I have to say, that's a really bad idea.  Sig campaigns already have character minima, and it only forces a bigger bowel movement out of the orifices of these shitposters.  That will not work.  You'll see severely padded posts,  that's all.

Theymos doesn't understand human nature.   I think he has algorithmitis--just look at how the trust system is designed.  It's so easy to game, it's almost to the point of being useless.

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August 26, 2017, 08:21:20 AM
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Theymos is a true liberation and is a strong believer in a free market. The signature spammers generate a lot of page views which increases the value of forum ads and increases the influence of the forum (and in turn the influence of theymos via his ability to set forum policy). Sig spammers decrease the value of each page view although the net effect I think is so that total ad revenue is higher than it would otherwise be.

I think this forum reached a point where moderators are not even able to apply the forum rules anymore.

Low quality topics do not belong here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1649348.0

And then see topics, like:

- Hackers are active these days https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2061038.0 (Needs one answer and the thread would be done. Using the forum search would even be better)
- Do you think Bitcoin will survive after 100 year ? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2076436.0 (Poll: Yes or No. No answers really needed.)
- bitcoin can change anyone life? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2104648.0 (Do they simply forget an 's', because they are in a hurry collecting posts or is it really the bad english?)
- Did you learn Bitcoin in BitCoinTalk.org or in Google Articles? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2112726.0 (If that one isn't a low quality post, then ...)
- What is BTC for you? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1875364.0 (OK, there is a lower quality post)
- What is the bitcoin function for you?  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2105728.0 (Damn, it goes even lower)
- why people interest in bitcoin? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2097098.0
- How to win Bitcoins with Signature Campaigns Huh https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2047002.0 (needs 8 pages to explain how to start signature campaigns)

This was only on page 1.

All of them are loaded with answers, that follow the low quality of the OP and they have only one incentive: raising post count as quick as possible to make more money.

edit: do you love bitcoin https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2073793.0 (wtf?)

i love bitcoin because it many to use like pay a electric bill
Me too, it can be a source of  my life for unemployed. I can make money for pay out  everyday.

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August 26, 2017, 08:35:51 AM
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Theymos is a true liberation and is a strong believer in a free market. The signature spammers generate a lot of page views which increases the value of forum ads and increases the influence of the forum (and in turn the influence of theymos via his ability to set forum policy). Sig spammers decrease the value of each page view although the net effect I think is so that total ad revenue is higher than it would otherwise be.

I think this forum reached a point where moderators are not even able to apply the forum rules anymore.

Low quality topics do not belong here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1649348.0

And then see topics, like:

- Hackers are active these days https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2061038.0 (Needs one answer and the thread would be done. Using the forum search would even be better)
- Do you think Bitcoin will survive after 100 year ? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2076436.0 (Poll: Yes or No. No answers really needed.)
- bitcoin can change anyone life? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2104648.0 (Do they simply forget an 's', because they are in a hurry collecting posts or is it really the bad english?)
- Did you learn Bitcoin in BitCoinTalk.org or in Google Articles? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2112726.0 (If that one isn't a low quality post, then ...)
- What is BTC for you? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1875364.0 (OK, there is a lower quality post)
- What is the bitcoin function for you?  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2105728.0 (Damn, it goes even lower)
- why people interest in bitcoin? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2097098.0
- How to win Bitcoins with Signature Campaigns Huh https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2047002.0 (needs 8 pages to explain how to start signature campaigns)

This was only on page 1.

All of them are loaded with answers, that follow the low quality of the OP and they have only one incentive: raising post count as quick as possible to make more money.

edit: do you love bitcoin https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2073793.0 (wtf?)

i love bitcoin because it many to use like pay a electric bill
Me too, it can be a source of  my life for unemployed. I can make money for pay out  everyday.

Where are the cameras?



And what do you want to do? Lock each topic that already answered, Then once flooded by other thread (which will happened when this principle apply) then some newbie create new thread and ask it again? Is that what you want? What is better and neat. Only one thread for discussion of one question or multiple thread with same discussion topic? Grin
Besides that, Those so called shit posters made this forum alive and created revenue due to traffic. They are not harming you and there are available search function. Finally as what you have said that question can be answer in one page, Then readers will read first page alone. No one browse on the middle page except if you are the one who post there and made  a conversation to other user.  Roll Eyes
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August 26, 2017, 08:45:12 AM
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Theymos is a true liberation and is a strong believer in a free market. The signature spammers generate a lot of page views which increases the value of forum ads and increases the influence of the forum (and in turn the influence of theymos via his ability to set forum policy). Sig spammers decrease the value of each page view although the net effect I think is so that total ad revenue is higher than it would otherwise be.

I think this forum reached a point where moderators are not even able to apply the forum rules anymore.

Low quality topics do not belong here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1649348.0

And then see topics, like:

- Hackers are active these days https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2061038.0 (Needs one answer and the thread would be done. Using the forum search would even be better)
- Do you think Bitcoin will survive after 100 year ? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2076436.0 (Poll: Yes or No. No answers really needed.)
- bitcoin can change anyone life? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2104648.0 (Do they simply forget an 's', because they are in a hurry collecting posts or is it really the bad english?)
- Did you learn Bitcoin in BitCoinTalk.org or in Google Articles? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2112726.0 (If that one isn't a low quality post, then ...)
- What is BTC for you? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1875364.0 (OK, there is a lower quality post)
- What is the bitcoin function for you?  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2105728.0 (Damn, it goes even lower)
- why people interest in bitcoin? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2097098.0
- How to win Bitcoins with Signature Campaigns Huh https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2047002.0 (needs 8 pages to explain how to start signature campaigns)

This was only on page 1.

All of them are loaded with answers, that follow the low quality of the OP and they have only one incentive: raising post count as quick as possible to make more money.

edit: do you love bitcoin https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2073793.0 (wtf?)

i love bitcoin because it many to use like pay a electric bill
Me too, it can be a source of  my life for unemployed. I can make money for pay out  everyday.

Where are the cameras?



And what do you want to do? Lock each topic that already answered, Then once flooded by other thread (which will happened when this principle apply) then some newbie create new thread and ask it again? Is that what you want? What is better and neat. Only one thread for discussion of one question or multiple thread with same discussion topic? Grin
Besides that, Those so called shit posters made this forum alive and created revenue due to traffic. They are not harming you and there are available search function. Finally as what you have said that question can be answer in one page, Then readers will read first page alone. No one browse on the middle page except if you are the one who post there and made  a conversation to other user.  Roll Eyes

It was mod (hilariousandco) who wrote this sticky topic (Low quality topics do not belong here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1649348.0 ) for a reason. Theymos and his crew want to keep the quality of this forum to a certain level.

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August 26, 2017, 08:53:23 AM
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Theymos is a true liberation and is a strong believer in a free market. The signature spammers generate a lot of page views which increases the value of forum ads and increases the influence of the forum (and in turn the influence of theymos via his ability to set forum policy). Sig spammers decrease the value of each page view although the net effect I think is so that total ad revenue is higher than it would otherwise be.

I think this forum reached a point where moderators are not even able to apply the forum rules anymore.

Low quality topics do not belong here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1649348.0

And then see topics, like:

- Hackers are active these days https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2061038.0 (Needs one answer and the thread would be done. Using the forum search would even be better)
- Do you think Bitcoin will survive after 100 year ? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2076436.0 (Poll: Yes or No. No answers really needed.)
- bitcoin can change anyone life? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2104648.0 (Do they simply forget an 's', because they are in a hurry collecting posts or is it really the bad english?)
- Did you learn Bitcoin in BitCoinTalk.org or in Google Articles? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2112726.0 (If that one isn't a low quality post, then ...)
- What is BTC for you? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1875364.0 (OK, there is a lower quality post)
- What is the bitcoin function for you?  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2105728.0 (Damn, it goes even lower)
- why people interest in bitcoin? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2097098.0
- How to win Bitcoins with Signature Campaigns Huh https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2047002.0 (needs 8 pages to explain how to start signature campaigns)

This was only on page 1.

All of them are loaded with answers, that follow the low quality of the OP and they have only one incentive: raising post count as quick as possible to make more money.

edit: do you love bitcoin https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2073793.0 (wtf?)

i love bitcoin because it many to use like pay a electric bill
Me too, it can be a source of  my life for unemployed. I can make money for pay out  everyday.

Where are the cameras?



And what do you want to do? Lock each topic that already answered, Then once flooded by other thread (which will happened when this principle apply) then some newbie create new thread and ask it again? Is that what you want? What is better and neat. Only one thread for discussion of one question or multiple thread with same discussion topic? Grin
Besides that, Those so called shit posters made this forum alive and created revenue due to traffic. They are not harming you and there are available search function. Finally as what you have said that question can be answer in one page, Then readers will read first page alone. No one browse on the middle page except if you are the one who post there and made  a conversation to other user.  Roll Eyes

It was mod (hilariousandco) who wrote this sticky topic (Low quality topics do not belong here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1649348.0 ) for a reason. Theymos and his crew want to keep the quality of this forum to a certain level.

I know that. But the problem is people will still keep creating that topic even if it was deleted. It is better to stay alive. The best solution is to control those campaign manager by creating some rule on their campaign regarding on posting in useless mega thread. I saw already some manager applying it.
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August 26, 2017, 09:04:51 AM
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Theymos is a true liberation and is a strong believer in a free market. The signature spammers generate a lot of page views which increases the value of forum ads and increases the influence of the forum (and in turn the influence of theymos via his ability to set forum policy). Sig spammers decrease the value of each page view although the net effect I think is so that total ad revenue is higher than it would otherwise be.

I think this forum reached a point where moderators are not even able to apply the forum rules anymore.

Low quality topics do not belong here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1649348.0

And then see topics, like:

- Hackers are active these days https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2061038.0 (Needs one answer and the thread would be done. Using the forum search would even be better)
- Do you think Bitcoin will survive after 100 year ? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2076436.0 (Poll: Yes or No. No answers really needed.)
- bitcoin can change anyone life? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2104648.0 (Do they simply forget an 's', because they are in a hurry collecting posts or is it really the bad english?)
- Did you learn Bitcoin in BitCoinTalk.org or in Google Articles? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2112726.0 (If that one isn't a low quality post, then ...)
- What is BTC for you? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1875364.0 (OK, there is a lower quality post)
- What is the bitcoin function for you?  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2105728.0 (Damn, it goes even lower)
- why people interest in bitcoin? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2097098.0
- How to win Bitcoins with Signature Campaigns Huh https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2047002.0 (needs 8 pages to explain how to start signature campaigns)

This was only on page 1.

All of them are loaded with answers, that follow the low quality of the OP and they have only one incentive: raising post count as quick as possible to make more money.

edit: do you love bitcoin https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2073793.0 (wtf?)

i love bitcoin because it many to use like pay a electric bill
Me too, it can be a source of  my life for unemployed. I can make money for pay out  everyday.

Where are the cameras?



And what do you want to do? Lock each topic that already answered, Then once flooded by other thread (which will happened when this principle apply) then some newbie create new thread and ask it again? Is that what you want? What is better and neat. Only one thread for discussion of one question or multiple thread with same discussion topic? Grin
Besides that, Those so called shit posters made this forum alive and created revenue due to traffic. They are not harming you and there are available search function. Finally as what you have said that question can be answer in one page, Then readers will read first page alone. No one browse on the middle page except if you are the one who post there and made  a conversation to other user.  Roll Eyes

It was mod (hilariousandco) who wrote this sticky topic (Low quality topics do not belong here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1649348.0 ) for a reason. Theymos and his crew want to keep the quality of this forum to a certain level.

I know that. But the problem is people will still keep creating that topic even if it was deleted. It is better to stay alive. The best solution is to control those campaign manager by creating some rule on their campaign regarding on posting in useless mega thread. I saw already some manager applying it.

Or simply disallow signatures in general. Problem solved.

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August 26, 2017, 10:24:24 PM
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Or simply disallow signatures in general. Problem solved.
Or pass the keys of the forum to someone who actually cares about issues experienced by actual community members (this excludes probably over 90% of the members ATM who are just account farmers, sig. spammers or similar).

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Or simply disallow signatures in general. Problem solved.
Or pass the keys of the forum to someone who actually cares about issues experienced by actual community members (this excludes probably over 90% of the members ATM who are just account farmers, sig. spammers or similar).
I think that would involve a considerable amount of money changing hands, more money than most of those who care about the forum could afford.   It's a good idea in theory.

The whole argument that the garbage threads will just keep getting created smacks of laziness.  It's so much easier to do nothing than to try something new.

Banning sig campaigns would definitely solve the problem, but I highly doubt that's going to happen.

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Maybe we can just made some pressure to signatures spammers warlords to change the rules.

Something like ask for no more than one really constructive or helpful post in a week, and then singularly review those post.

The main thing: during the old times, I used to read the signatures of honourable posters to be introduced to something new. Now I usually avoid signatures like pest, and a legend could easily wear the signature of a scammy service. At this point, they are just costly ads.

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Or simply disallow signatures in general. Problem solved.
Or pass the keys of the forum to someone who actually cares about issues experienced by actual community members (this excludes probably over 90% of the members ATM who are just account farmers, sig. spammers or similar).
I think that would involve a considerable amount of money changing hands, more money than most of those who care about the forum could afford.   It's a good idea in theory.
Ignore the money. Let theymos continue doing ADs, and staff payments. Pay the person as much as an admin would be receiving for a while and decide from there. The money isn't even important in this context, at least not from my perspective.

The whole argument that the garbage threads will just keep getting created smacks of laziness.  It's so much easier to do nothing than to try something new.

Banning sig campaigns would definitely solve the problem, but I highly doubt that's going to happen.
Just having a stronger stance, i.e. be less lenient on shitposting, harder bans, blacklisting services, banning account sales, farmed accounts, et. al. would kill the majority of the issue.

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August 27, 2017, 09:16:38 AM
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Or simply disallow signatures in general. Problem solved.
Or pass the keys of the forum to someone who actually cares about issues experienced by actual community members (this excludes probably over 90% of the members ATM who are just account farmers, sig. spammers or similar).
I think that would involve a considerable amount of money changing hands, more money than most of those who care about the forum could afford.   It's a good idea in theory.
Ignore the money. Let theymos continue doing ADs, and staff payments. Pay the person as much as an admin would be receiving for a while and decide from there. The money isn't even important in this context, at least not from my perspective.

The whole argument that the garbage threads will just keep getting created smacks of laziness.  It's so much easier to do nothing than to try something new.

Banning sig campaigns would definitely solve the problem, but I highly doubt that's going to happen.
Just having a stronger stance, i.e. be less lenient on shitposting, harder bans, blacklisting services, banning account sales, farmed accounts, et. al. would kill the majority of the issue.

This is a lot more work, than just dropping signatures generally, but I agree with this point.

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August 29, 2017, 06:02:00 AM
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I strongly think it is and obv. this lowers the overall quality of this forum as a source for useful information. As soon as a newbie asks a question, sig spammers start crowding the topic with their 99% sensless/false/bs answers. Some (most?) of them didn't even understand the topic!
@Theymos: The problem is not created by the sig spammers, but the system allowing it. There might be a point where Bitcointalk will be rejected by the users, when you can't find the information you are looking for, because it's hidden in a flood of trash.
In my opinion, there are truly lot of posters who posts senseless replies on topics here in bitcointalk. In order to stop this, i think we need to have a better rules on Signature campaigns, accepting users in campaigns ,scanning applicant's  posts thoroughly would make at least prevent spammers, but this cannot be easily done. I also suggest that we should have a thread for where we can posts evidences and proofs who have been spamming and posting senseless things so that we mod can temporarily ban them or give them warnings. Again, this is only my suggestion, i know that this is cannot be done easily.
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August 29, 2017, 08:07:19 AM
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These topics should be in the off topic section which is an unpaid section for most campaigns. Then there would be almost no replies. Many people posting here are itself wearing a signature and this topic has been posted about 1000 times now in Meta with same replies everytime. Well, the off topic section too is flooded with newbies tries to increase their post count/rank.

Don't mind sig campaigns being banned but they exist as they get a huge exposure from this forum that's the most popular bitcoin forum.  It's become like a give-and-take relationship where spam posts are all tolerated till each one is benefiting from it. IMO, campaigns can get attention just with the ads posted on the forum itself. Worst thing is even scams are tolerated. Anything done about that?




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October 08, 2017, 12:48:24 AM
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I strongly think it is and obv. this lowers the overall quality of this forum as a source for useful information. As soon as a newbie asks a question, sig spammers start crowding the topic with their 99% sensless/false/bs answers. Some (most?) of them didn't even understand the topic!
@Theymos: The problem is not created by the sig spammers, but the system allowing it. There might be a point where Bitcointalk will be rejected by the users, when you can't find the information you are looking for, because it's hidden in a flood of trash.

Sure BUT along with the "trash" is a chance of opportunity and outreach to a population who CAN be educated that are geographically dispersed throughout the world!  They will eventually learn to read, decipher and see history happening for themselves first hand and see how much they are missing out on becoming free from the fiat currency slave-system with every month that passes by. And this will lead to action of opting for Bitcoin rather than holding fiat. And then spreading of this knowledge (hopefully in a less nonsensical way).

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October 08, 2017, 01:32:28 AM
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These topics should be in the off topic section which is an unpaid section for most campaigns. Then there would be almost no replies. Many people posting here are itself wearing a signature and this topic has been posted about 1000 times now in Meta with same replies everytime. Well, the off topic section too is flooded with newbies tries to increase their post count/rank.

Don't mind sig campaigns being banned but they exist as they get a huge exposure from this forum that's the most popular bitcoin forum.  It's become like a give-and-take relationship where spam posts are all tolerated till each one is benefiting from it. IMO, campaigns can get attention just with the ads posted on the forum itself. Worst thing is even scams are tolerated. Anything done about that?
So you mean this thread is a farm for signature's farmers too right?  Grin . Yes if this topic was in the off-topic i don't think people are keep "giving an ideal" like this, except some people.
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October 08, 2017, 05:19:17 AM
Last edit: October 08, 2017, 05:04:00 PM by Don Pedro Dinero
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Yes, signature spamming is the cause of what we see in this forum.

It’s a complicated issue because what would happen if strong action is taken is that up to 90% of posts in some sections would be deleted. Posts together with those over-100 pages replies. Imagine the consequences for traffic and revenue.

A forum is not an Encyclopedia, if you want to find proper info you’d better find it somewhere else, it’s a place where people exchange opinions, and that comes hand in hand with some amount or rubbish. The problem here is that most of the times people are not exchanging opinions, just posting without reading to increase post count and/or get paid.
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