where is the mother of all spikes? MOAS!

[600watt]

every bitcoin run-up was always climaxing into an insane spike before collapsing. i mean something like doubling within a few days time frame. eventhough 2017 has seen an incredible run-up, i still do not see any insane spike. be reminded that all the btc atm´s on the planet, all the new ways of conviniently purchasing btc via sercives (for example: all train ticket vending machines in switzerland), all the new customers of all the exchanges could lead to a proper spike when the fomo kicks in.

on the other hand, it is possible that the will be no MOAS this time around.

-maybe eth (and other alts) are "stealing" the spike
-maybe bitcoin price does not behave like it used to
-maybe leveraged trading, naked short selling and other advanced trading techniques have a dampening effect on a possible spike


what do you think?

[somac.]

Those spikes are unsustainable, If you're an investor/beleiver in btc you don't want that.

Those spikes also happened when the market was a lot smaller than it is today. Take a look at some of the largest companies out there in the world, then take a look at the penny stocks. Penny stock type markets spike, mature successful ones do not.

[HeRetiK]

There already is a huge spike, it's just that it took place over a much longer timeframe this time. Also I have to concur with somac that one of the main reason for the epicness of the previous price spikes was the immaturity and small size of the market. Nowadays much more money would be needed to cause immediate price spikes.

I don't think that alts are "stealing" the spike. They themselves move stronger, that's true, but only to the extend that they have a significantly smaller market cap than BTC and are those more suspectible to heavy price swings.

[davis196]

every bitcoin run-up was always climaxing into an insane spike before collapsing. i mean something like doubling within a few days time frame. eventhough 2017 has seen an incredible run-up, i still do not see any insane spike. be reminded that all the btc atm´s on the planet, all the new ways of conviniently purchasing btc via sercives (for example: all train ticket vending machines in switzerland), all the new customers of all the exchanges could lead to a proper spike when the fomo kicks in.

on the other hand, it is possible that the will be no MOAS this time around.

-maybe eth (and other alts) are "stealing" the spike
-maybe bitcoin price does not behave like it used to
-maybe leveraged trading, naked short selling and other advanced trading techniques have a dampening effect on a possible spike


what do you think?

If you want a real spike,there should be people and business owners,who would want to buy btc at x2 the current price.I don`t see a reason why would anyone buy BTC at such high price.
The mother of all spikes will happen only if all the major banks and corporations start mass buying bitcoins.
I don`t believe this is possible.The big whales  still depend by the fiat currency markets. 

[HeRetiK]

If you want a real spike,there should be people and business owners,who would want to buy btc at x2 the current price.I don`t see a reason why would anyone buy BTC at such high price.

Same could have been said when BTC was at 100, 1k and 2k so it's not much of an argument However it is true that the current price levels still need to mentally settle as the new normal. Once people are used to BTC being worth 3k - 4k USD the next growth spurt won't be far off.

The mother of all spikes will happen only if all the major banks and corporations start mass buying bitcoins.
I don`t believe this is possible.The big whales  still depend by the fiat currency markets. 

Should major banks and corporations decide to enter the market they will do so slowly, exactly to avoid such a spike. It will most likely make itself felt like a slow but steady upward pressure in price, not unlike what we've seen the past few months.

[Torque]

Should major banks and corporations decide to enter the market they will do so slowly, exactly to avoid such a spike. It will most likely make itself felt like a slow but steady upward pressure in price, not unlike what we've seen the past few months.

I agree with this, but would also add that they just don't have any choice other than buying slowly. There are just not that many bitcoin available for sale, either OTC or on exchange. So they can't jump in massively without disturbing the market to the upside. They will buy slow and steady. The market will continue to creep up.

In the same regard, there are not that many bitcoin available to short either. So they can't just enter with a large short position to push down the price. They will try though.

[BTCLovingDude]

i mean something like doubling within a few days time frame.

i have been involved with bitcoin around the time when price was nearly $200 and i can not remember a time when price "doubled in a few days"!

are you sure you are not confusing bitcoin with an altcoin that is fake pumped?

on the other hand, it is possible that the will be no MOAS this time around.

i agree more with this.
mostly because of the size of the market. and how much bigger and more distributed it is compared to 4 or 5 years ago.

[mobnepal]

on the other hand, it is possible that the will be no MOAS this time around.

-maybe eth (and other alts) are "stealing" the spike
-maybe bitcoin price does not behave like it used to
-maybe leveraged trading, naked short selling and other advanced trading techniques have a dampening effect on a possible spike

Yes there will be no any MOAS right now, it will be when crypto's total marketcap will be over $1 trillion dollar. That might attract millions of new investors to shoot bitcoin price to over $100k

- ETH is pumping because many new/old investors are buying ETH to invest in ETH based ICOs which might continue for next few years.
- Demand for bitcoin is quite high right now so no any fud or panic on market is causing massive dump.
- Short term traders and whales will always try to make a daily swing on price to make profit on regular basis, but when lots of new miners will kick in then this might not remain same like right now.

[dothebeats]

As a long-term holder of BTC, any sudden bursts in price often lead to a gradual decline, so no, I don't want another outburst just to profit short-term.

-Other alts don't steal the spotlight: it's just that people learned how to diversify and spread their money into other possible opportunities.
-Bitcoin's price has always been volatile and as far as the charts go, bitcoin's history haven't repeated itself.
-Could be since shorters realy like to mess even with the slightest of price changes just to ake a profit.

[Fortify]

If you think about it, there are only 21 million bitcoins ever in circulation. Which, while it does sound like alot - across a world with 7 billion people and trillions of trade yearly, the base unit has a very small total available. So naturally smaller denominations will be required to complete transactions and if it really is rocketing up, who knows where it will stop.

[BitFinnese]

on the other hand, it is possible that the will be no MOAS this time around.

-maybe eth (and other alts) are "stealing" the spike
-maybe bitcoin price does not behave like it used to
-maybe leveraged trading, naked short selling and other advanced trading techniques have a dampening effect on a possible spike

Yes there will be no any MOAS right now, it will be when crypto's total marketcap will be over $1 trillion dollar. That might attract millions of new investors to shoot bitcoin price to over $100k

- ETH is pumping because many new/old investors are buying ETH to invest in ETH based ICOs which might continue for next few years.
- Demand for bitcoin is quite high right now so no any fud or panic on market is causing massive dump.
- Short term traders and whales will always try to make a daily swing on price to make profit on regular basis, but when lots of new miners will kick in then this might not remain same like right now.

The bolded one seems to contradicting, High Demand and FUD.  If there is high demand Fud has no place to kick in.  There maybe an attempt to FUD the market but the high demand will simply swallow it since there will definitely be a counter for that FUD.
 I do not think ETH is stealing the spike.  Wise investors diversify. And that is what happen after sometime, the fund will go back to Bitcoin.

-Bitcoin's price has always been volatile and as far as the charts go, bitcoin's history haven't repeated itself.

Yes it does! Bitcoin does repeat itself in breaking its ATH. 

[nizamcc]

MOAS huh? Cool name tbh, after all, many people have now started using abbreviations to compress their so-called innovations after SMAS came into existence.
OP, we are already in a big spike (won't you call it a spike when you are up >300% the price where it was) but the difference is, it exploded the hell out every time just because there was no base below to carry the load that comes every time someone presses that big shitty "RED" button but we are now ready to simply see the price fluctuations go low and march towards newer highs because now, not just the smaller people but the big billionaire boys are also investing into this gigantic experiment that turned out into an incredible asset.

[600watt]

As a long-term holder of BTC, any sudden bursts in price often lead to a gradual decline, so no, I don't want another outburst just to profit short-term.

-Other alts don't steal the spotlight: it's just that people learned how to diversify and spread their money into other possible opportunities.
-Bitcoin's price has always been volatile and as far as the charts go, bitcoin's history haven't repeated itself.
-Could be since shorters realy like to mess even with the slightest of price changes just to ake a profit.

it is not that I want such a spike to happen. I am looking for indicators that show us when the bull market is over and the bear cycle begins. the insane spikes were good indicators in the past.