Xbox One

[Lethn]

I heard Xbox One it can't be self-published by indies and it requires Internet to play games.

Both of those are rumors that have not been confirmed by microsoft. In fact Microsoft has already stated that the xbox one won't need to be always online.

It HAS to be online once every 24 hours.

Yeah, it's like when Valve fanbois go around saying you only have to login once, I still have to login in order to play the game and use my internet connection, that doesn't make it any less unreasonable if I have to do it once, nevermind the fact that the offline modes are always shit. No one dictates to me when I can and can't use software on my computer, especially if I've paid for it.

[Schrankwand]

I heard Xbox One it can't be self-published by indies and it requires Internet to play games.

Both of those are rumors that have not been confirmed by microsoft. In fact Microsoft has already stated that the xbox one won't need to be always online.

It HAS to be online once every 24 hours.

Yeah, it's like when Valve fanbois go around saying you only have to login once, I still have to login in order to play the game and use my internet connection, that doesn't make it any less unreasonable if I have to do it once, nevermind the fact that the offline modes are always shit. No one dictates to me when I can and can't use software on my computer, especially if I've paid for it.

If you ask me, the STEAM offline mode isn't as bad anymore. I found I could use the offline mode quite well

It still is DRM, but hey... fuck it. Technically, im always online with my Xbox anyway, but the fact that my kinect needs to watch me while we are watching a movie or have sex on my couch is kind of annoying.

[myrkul]

Technically, im always online with my Xbox anyway, but the fact that my kinect needs to watch me while we are watching a movie or have sex on my couch is kind of annoying.

[ranlo]

...but the fact that my kinect needs to watch me while we are watching a movie or have sex on my couch is kind of annoying.

lol, this was awesome. I wonder if they could record it too...

[Mike Christ]

Yeah, it's like when Valve fanbois go around saying you only have to login once, I still have to login in order to play the game and use my internet connection, that doesn't make it any less unreasonable if I have to do it once, nevermind the fact that the offline modes are always shit. No one dictates to me when I can and can't use software on my computer, especially if I've paid for it.

I've found the convenience a good trade-off for having to load up Steam before playing your games.  It only takes about 10 seconds to load up on my PC so I've never really been bothered by it.  I'm rarely offline tho so I have no idea if Steam offline is a pain in the ass, however, I have lost my connection while playing games from Steam, and the only time that pissed me off was when my Civ 5 game suddenly decided it had to quit to menu because I went offline, which I found odd, as I was playing single-player offline...but no clue what that was about.

But anyway, having all my games in one spot and being able to reformat and download them again easily is something I can deal with, not to mention the deals they're always having.

Oh, and indie games, which Microsoft pretends to care about but really doesn't.  Also, no ads, except for games, which are the ads I actually want to see, which, in the case of Microsoft, is why I want to beat my (brother's) 360 with a fucking bat.  And then there's the Microsoft online service for PC which is a fucking pain in the ass, especially when you have both that and the Steam overlay going at the same time which is stupid and why do I have to input a CD code for a digitally downloaded game off Steam directly into Microsoft's overlay?  They don't really still believe CD codes actually stop pirating, do they?  And then after hearing the news about KreepyKinect and ghost-discs + activation fees...

Anyway, my point is, fuck Microsoft

[ranlo]

Yeah, it's like when Valve fanbois go around saying you only have to login once, I still have to login in order to play the game and use my internet connection, that doesn't make it any less unreasonable if I have to do it once, nevermind the fact that the offline modes are always shit. No one dictates to me when I can and can't use software on my computer, especially if I've paid for it.

I've found the convenience a good trade-off for having to load up Steam before playing your games.  It only takes about 10 seconds to load up on my PC so I've never really been bothered by it.  I'm rarely offline tho so I have no idea if Steam offline is a pain in the ass, however, I have lost my connection while playing games from Steam, and the only time that pissed me off was when my Civ 5 game suddenly decided it had to quit to menu because I went offline, which I found odd, as I was playing single-player offline...but no clue what that was about.

But anyway, having all my games in one spot and being able to reformat and download them again easily is something I can deal with, not to mention the deals they're always having.

Oh, and indie games, which Microsoft pretends to care about but really doesn't.  Also, no ads, except for games, which are the ads I actually want to see, which, in the case of Microsoft, is why I want to beat my (brother's) 360 with a fucking bat.  And then there's the Microsoft online service for PC which is a fucking pain in the ass, especially when you have both that and the Steam overlay going at the same time which is stupid and why do I have to input a CD code for a digitally downloaded game off Steam directly into Microsoft's overlay?  They don't really still believe CD codes actually stop pirating, do they?  And then after hearing the news about KreepyKinect and ghost-discs + activation fees...

Anyway, my point is, fuck Microsoft

It's even easier to just back up your games on to an external drive. Then it's a matter of minutes after reformatting before you're good to go again.

A lot of people don't get the problems some of us have with online requirements, but if you're like me and live in the middle of nowhere, there are many times where I have no Internet. It goes out sporadically as well.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Yeah, I don't like the direction xbox is going. It was a game console, but now they're trying to make it an everything. I already have a computer

EDIT: Kinect is pretty cool, though.

I admit, Kinect is cool. I was really excited when they launched that.

I remember a Penny Arcade comic that would have been really funny here, but my search-fu has failed me.

Dude, don't do that again! I just spent 30 minutes hunting an imagine that may, or may not have been what was on your mind after you got inspired by a post to do the exact same thing, but at least you had a keyword pool to resort to.

My nephew (the good one) told me about this new xBox coming out a couple weeks ago, stating that it'll be able to do anything. I asked him if it could mine bitcoins, whereupon he replied, "Dude, you have it bad!"

[myrkul]

Dude, don't do that again! I just spent 30 minutes hunting an imagine that may, or may not have been what was on your mind after you got inspired by a post to do the exact same thing, but at least you had a keyword pool to resort to.

Ah HA! Found it! It was from back in the day when it was still called "Project Natal." So, please pretend this is actually how it went:

Yeah, I don't like the direction xbox is going. It was a game console, but now they're trying to make it an everything. I already have a computer

EDIT: Kinect is pretty cool, though.

I admit, Kinect is cool. I was really excited when they launched that.

[ranlo]

Dude, don't do that again! I just spent 30 minutes hunting an imagine that may, or may not have been what was on your mind after you got inspired by a post to do the exact same thing, but at least you had a keyword pool to resort to.

Ah HA! Found it! It was from back in the day when it was still called "Project Natal." So, please pretend this is actually how it went:

Yeah, I don't like the direction xbox is going. It was a game console, but now they're trying to make it an everything. I already have a computer

EDIT: Kinect is pretty cool, though.

I admit, Kinect is cool. I was really excited when they launched that.

LOL, that's awesome! Now I need to break out my Kinect and see if when I play naked it will mistake my boner for being an arm or something...

[Lethn]

Maybe it's not a mistake and Microsoft are secretly developing some adult gaming for later lolololool

[ranlo]

Maybe it's not a mistake and Microsoft are secretly developing some adult gaming for later lolololool

A new form of "live cams?" Where you create your own character and then the things you do in RL affect what your character does...

Interesting idea for a sex game...

[DiamondCardz]

£600 for the console and £90 per game (search Xbox One and Call of Duty: Ghosts on amazon.co.uk)

Nty.

[nviere]

Quantum break looks really nice!

[nviere]

£600 for the console and £90 per game (search Xbox One and Call of Duty: Ghosts on amazon.co.uk)

Nty.

That is expensive, but i think it is just the preliminary pricing

[Dacm4n]

I think i'll pass on this xbox.

[mprep]

I think i'll think pass on this xbox.

I said this for most of this generation of consoles. I enjoy PC gaming much much more.

[Welsh]

I don't like it and I don't like the way microsoft is developing it. It's not a dedicated gaming machine anymore. It's a entertainment system. It's going to cost a total of £600. That's a lot. They have made the kinect compulsory to use which will be on whenever the xbox is turned on. I hate that, there's a reason why I didn't get the kinect in the first place, it's a accessory which I thought was useless.

It's basically a computer, x86 architecture. So they are charging £600 for a GAMING console, which acts like a computer and does what a computer does. Yet, a computer will cost you a lot less and can be upgraded when needed to be.

Moving onto the next thing, games being £90 a pop and having a fee of pre-owned games , what a mess. Plus no backward compatibility, I know there is a reason for this but dam.

I hope PS4 can pull something from under their sleeve and shock us all, at this moment they are being very secretive.

Actually console prices have more to do with the cost of an iPhone. Its the serious limiting factor and partially why this console cycle was 7 years. It doesn't make sense since an iphone cannot play call of duty but apparently people seem to think of the retail cost of an iphone to be the level to pay for consumer hardware. This is also why we don't have certain features on the 1st generation of hardware like backwards compatability despite it being well known an "360 on a chip" has already been designed for that purpose. And bare in mind everyone apart from Nintendo will be losing money on each console sold. And will do for about 5 years.

 For the entire life of the nintendo (Nes) most titles were £90 in back then money. Of course the excuse then was cartridges. Prices of games will fall except those with mass appeal like Rockband and Call of Duty which will always be top rate. £90 is unsustainable especially when you can buy 91 tablet or phone games for that price. The cost of development has gone up. Partially due to asset production. Its not quite as bad as animation where you draw each asset by hand but its close. If anything the architecture has got simpler because everyone just uses the unreal engine. I can justify it being £90 but I cant see anyone paying it.


 Im surprised people haven't been making 1984 references because its exactly like the tv cameras in the book for more or less the same reasons. Copy protection. But also like removing the start button from Windows 8 it forces the consumer to use the interface and hence become used to the interface. Voice recognition has been around for decades but nobody uses it because it feels awkward. This addresses the larger problem of keyboardless input that everybody is wrestling with. Somehow we can't get a more efficient method of input than typing but we can't make keyboards mobile with any degree of comfort. Something like 90% of mobile phone transactions are left unfinished presumably because the user quit out of frustration of putting in all the necessary information on a smart phone keyboard. Forcing people to finally use voice control sidesteps the issue.

The bandwidth issue is basically a statement of the industry "We need you to have a decent internet connection for this to be financially viable for us to provide you content, if you can't afford uncapped bandwidth you probably can't afford our stuff." Thats fair enough. Its not nice but its a proven business model. And eventually the poorer consumers buy the £90 budget model from a supermarket in 2020 when the next next console is out.

PC gaming has become viable. Its basically all PC gaming through different hypervisors and as I said last week the microsoft controller becoming standard input for gaming has made it more financially viable to take a risk and publish on PC even though for every 1 copy sold 99 will be torrented which hurts console sales since you buy one nice PC and you can play some if not all eventually three consoles games. And not even that nice a PC anymore. My 3 year old studio laptop can play releases from last month.

Games are really expensive. Its not like animation which is also resource heavy but theres another dimension, interactivity, to design and control. Quality Assurance tests for the 360 are $100,000 a round. And thats the no-skill side of the industry. Like animation there already is asset outsourcing to dubious parts of the world like china. And THQ possibly the lowest common denominator IE most viable publisher just went under. Maybe the £40 a title consumers have begrudgingly paid actually too little? Especially considering the cost/hours of entertainment ratio.

[nviere]

I think i'll think pass on this xbox.

I said this for most of this generation of consoles. I enjoy PC gaming much much more.

Well I like it as well, the problem is I am missing out on adventure games like uncharted and heavy rain. I was happy that mass effect came to PC though.

[Welsh]

I think i'll think pass on this xbox.

I said this for most of this generation of consoles. I enjoy PC gaming much much more.

Well I like it as well, the problem is I am missing out on adventure games like uncharted and heavy rain. I was happy that mass effect came to PC though.

Hopefully, developers will tell Microsoft where to go and revert to PC, unlikely but we can wish can't we?

[mprep]

I think i'll think pass on this xbox.

I said this for most of this generation of consoles. I enjoy PC gaming much much more.

Well I like it as well, the problem is I am missing out on adventure games like uncharted and heavy rain. I was happy that mass effect came to PC though.

Hopefully, developers will tell Microsoft where to go and revert to PC, unlikely but we can wish can't we?

Yup, hope dies last.