The SegWit activation was a joke?

[fluidjax]

Show proof or evidence of the spam source being Blockstream, or is that just BS plucked out of the air?

show proof jihan is spamming

oh wait, he does empty blocks, so cant be adding spam to blocks..
oh wait jihan is mining bch not btc so cant be adding spam to btc...

LOGIC!!!
you cant accuse someone of making empty blocks aswell as filling blocks of spam .. it makes no sense
you cant accuse someone of making spam blocks on one coin while strangely hashing another. it makes no sense

billy and others who love the FUD of reddit propaganda need to pick one story and stick with it because it becomes a joke when you fools flip flop the narative

need proof just check the stats from last year june 2016 and november 2016.. look who needed to create panic to sway people into being pressured to accept bips released at those times..

I didn't make the claim Jihan was spamming, you made the claim Blockstream was spamming, but lets face it you can't prove it. So if you can't prove it move on and don't make baseless accusations.
Its weakens the rest of your argument and makes you look silly.


"oh wait jihan is mining bch not btc so cant be adding spam to btc..."
LOGIC!!!, trying using some, that just doesn't make any sense spamming and mining are not linked directly. You can surely make some arbitrary link but it doesn't really hold water.

[GreenBits]

To all the miners - please leave that Bitcoin Cash! Focus only on Bitcoin - the future! 

Don't worry, they will come back to Bitcoin, with the BCC difficulty adjustment

LOL, I too am waiting for this. After the difficulty readjusts, and the price too (they will learn). No one has questioned why people are willing to pay 600-1000 dollars for a forked coin that still, like bitcoin, has no real world basis in value. This is all a bubble, people. Bitcoin is innovative, but the blockchain is the real winner here. Are we really paying these ridiculous, purely speculative prices for a technology that is open sourced? are we pretty much paying this much simply to participate in bitcoin?

and how long do you think we will be able to keep this up? this growth is clearly not sustainable, by the literal textbook definition of "unsustainable economic growth".

Caveat emptor.

[Ucy]

It has almost nothing to do with bitcoin cash. Segwit activation is the first step towards adding new features to bitcoin - it doesn't magically speed up all transactions just by being activated. Next all exchanges, wallets and service need to start using segwit transactions for it to actually ease pressure on fees and block sizes. So far only very few segwit transactions have been made as most transactions are still normal transactions and they do not get faster or cheaper just because segwit is activated.

On the other hand what you're currently seeing with fees going up and transactions being delayed is a concerted spam effort coordinated by people trying to make it look like the bitcoin blockchain is congested and needs a controversial 2x upgrade in November which is being pushed by the NYA miners when most of the userbase and developers are against it and will not agree to their threats. It's artificial and does not represent the real economy situation.

This totally makes sense sir! Desperados are trying hard to hijack the whole thing. I seriously doubt money is the cause of their desperation.

Maybe next quick solution should be making Bitcoin resistant to spam attack. it's so far their only way to harm the Network.

Good night good people!

[DoublerHunter]

I don't think that segwit activation was a joke because the lightning network is just missing and the developers are working on that to implement it on bitcoin as soon as possible. Segwit activation is not easy for the developer or the team behind bitcoin because it needs a lot code work and we should just wait patiently until we see the improvements in bitcoin.

[lighpulsar07]

No. It's not a joke it's we are adapting the segwit  since it got activated few days ago but a little concerned about the miners they aren't still able to fill up the blocks and antpool is just mining an empty blocks i don't think it's just an coincidence.

[figmentofmyass]

What can this 'Bitcoin Cash mining' problem do to the value of BTC? 

it really depends whether longer term investor interest develops for BCH. if it's being purely manipulated and bitmain (and friends) are just buying into everyone's dumps, then they will just be left holding the bag, and the problem will sort itself out.

if, however, they are successful and maintain status as a top 3 coin competing with BTC, they could really split prospective BTC investors, cutting down on the money flowing into BTC. if this happens, there is also the slight possibility that BCH would overtake BTC entirely. that seems pretty unlikely, though.

To all the miners - please leave that Bitcoin Cash! Focus only on Bitcoin - the future! 

Don't worry, they will come back to Bitcoin, with the BCC difficulty adjustment

but the emergency difficulty algorithm adjusts it back down very quickly. isn't it something like 6 blocks? whereas adjusting difficulty upwards is just like BTC (~2 weeks). that means that this cycle could continue for a while, until BCH buy pressure is totally exhausted. the EDA can basically cause hyperinflation for BCH under these circumstances.

[25hashcoin]

Segwit is a scam. Bitcoin Cash is the real Bitcoin.

[LindaQ]

How much long we need to classified that this segwit is successful. After it's activation, there's no pressure on unconfirmed transaction, it's even increase more. THough its still needs time to fully activated, but people are wonder, how long?. Can we judge someone who doing spam ? Or miners who going for bitcoin cash mining because its more profitable? I dont think so.

[franky1]

I didn't make the claim Jihan was spamming, you made the claim Blockstream was spamming, but lets face it you can't prove it. So if you can't prove it move on and don't make baseless accusations.
Its weakens the rest of your argument and makes you look silly.

i said twice and now a third time, check the stats of the june 2016 and november 2016 bips dates and the mempool/ spam attacks of those times which are what blockstream needed to scare people into adopting said bips
its not my fault that you may not know where to research

many think if things are spoonfed too much it cant be believed, so its much better if you really want to know the truth, that you do your own research so that you come to your own conclusion

the data exists. go seek it out

as for "what harm can bch do to bitcoin...
its an altcoin.. it can have many many exohash of hashpower or just 1 gigahash of hash power. neither influences bitcoin because .. THEY ARE ON SEPARATE NETWORKS!!

the only REAL influence is the merchant services.. if they moved away from accepting btc and instead only accept bch.. then things matter. until then an alt is just an alt

[fluidjax]

I didn't make the claim Jihan was spamming, you made the claim Blockstream was spamming, but lets face it you can't prove it. So if you can't prove it move on and don't make baseless accusations.
Its weakens the rest of your argument and makes you look silly.

i said twice and now a third time, check the stats of the june 2016 and november 2016 bips dates and the mempool/ spam attacks of those times which are what blockstream needed to scare people into adopting said bips
its not my fault that you may not know where to research

many think if things are spoonfed too much it cant be believed, so its much better if you really want to know the truth, that you do your own research so that you come to your own conclusion

the data exists. go seek it out

as for "what harm can bch do to bitcoin...
its an altcoin.. it can have many many exohash of hashpower or just 1 gigahash of hash power. neither influences bitcoin because .. THEY ARE ON SEPARATE NETWORKS!!

the only REAL influence is the merchant services.. if they moved away from accepting btc and instead only accept bch.. then things matter. until then an alt is just an alt

I'll indulge you, I'm open minded and am happy to see what evidence you -or if you are going to make me to work for it... I -  can produce.
I see the spam attacks in June & Nov 2016, which BIPs are you suggesting that these attacks where designed to have influence over?
Do you have anything to show they are connected with each other, or any analysis on them?

[alifrenstein]

Segwit is a scam. Bitcoin Cash is the real Bitcoin.

Bullshit! Bitcoin only!

Are you Roger/Jihad? Please stop spamming the network!

I just noticed that fees are gradually getting lower and also the unconfirmed transactions, and hopefully it will only get better and better! Fingers crossed!

[alifrenstein]

Fees are lower now and 35k unconfirmed transactions, yesterday was more than double. Fingers crossed! 

[Best Dreams]

No. It's not a joke it's we are adapting the segwit  since it got activated few days ago but a little concerned about the miners they aren't still able to fill up the blocks and antpool is just mining an empty blocks i don't think it's just an coincidence.

Yes you are right it is not joke but some people are said it is joke and fake but it's no joke and very intrasting and activaton is a very better but
 i said it's not joke. the block is not the problem but the miners who are confirming it.

[ekoice]

Segwit would get completely locked in only on november 18th and till then clear results could not be expected.This was the stage previous.But now,this delay is occuring due to miners just mining empty blocks and some miners switched to mine BCC since they consider it profitable.But on november also,more miners who have signed in New York Agreement have decided to support segwit 2x,which should be activated within six months of signing agreement.It was signed on may 2017.So,a hard fork could be expected on november for sure and all things would get settled only after that.

[defined]

On the other hand what you're currently seeing with fees going up and transactions being delayed is a concerted spam effort coordinated by people trying to make it look like the bitcoin blockchain is congested and needs a controversial 2x upgrade in November which is being pushed by the NYA miners when most of the userbase and developers are against it and will not agree to their threats. It's artificial and does not represent the real economy situation.

Even if the spam is artificial, blockchain is really congested. Nothing artificial about it.
We need a solution, one way or another.

1) You either allow spam and include it in blocks, thereby making blocks bigger and bigger.
2) You price spammers out of the market.
What are the alternatives?

1) and 2) are bad for normal bitcoin users. We need 3) transactions are fast and not $2 or more.

show proof jihan is spamming

oh wait, he does empty blocks, so cant be adding spam to blocks..
oh wait jihan is mining bch not btc so cant be adding spam to btc...

LOGIC!!!
you cant accuse someone of making empty blocks aswell as filling blocks of spam .. it makes no sense

I do not know if someone is spamming, but mining empty blocks and filling other blocks have the same result: unconfirmed transactions and fees pile up.

[joseafonso123az]

It has almost nothing to do with bitcoin cash. Segwit activation is the first step towards adding new features to bitcoin - it doesn't magically speed up all transactions just by being activated. Next all exchanges, wallets and service need to start using segwit transactions for it to actually ease pressure on fees and block sizes. So far only very few segwit transactions have been made as most transactions are still normal transactions and they do not get faster or cheaper just because segwit is activated.

On the other hand what you're currently seeing with fees going up and transactions being delayed is a concerted spam effort coordinated by people trying to make it look like the bitcoin blockchain is congested and needs a controversial 2x upgrade in November which is being pushed by the NYA miners when most of the userbase and developers are against it and will not agree to their threats. It's artificial and does not represent the real economy situation.

Hope all that's written in this comment is true. Bitcoin Cash and the problems of the high transaction fees came at the same time. Bitcoin have to solve the issues of their transaction fees, or else will let Bitcoin Cash emerge, because the ones that are behind it are making everything to not let it dive like another altcoin. And f these  transaction fees happen to get higher, people will also start to change to Bitcoin Cash, making it grow in value and threaten bitcoin's value.

[fluidjax]

1) You either allow spam and include it in blocks, thereby making blocks bigger and bigger.
2) You price spammers out of the market.
What are the alternatives?

1) and 2) are bad for normal bitcoin users. We need 3) transactions are fast and not $2 or more.

You are right we need option 3
My 1 & 2 are possible solutions, but your 3 is an objective of the solution.
How do we get fast $2 transactions, other than by my methods 1 or 2?

show proof jihan is spamming

oh wait, he does empty blocks, so cant be adding spam to blocks..
oh wait jihan is mining bch not btc so cant be adding spam to btc...

LOGIC!!!
you cant accuse someone of making empty blocks aswell as filling blocks of spam .. it makes no sense

I do not know if someone is spamming, but mining empty blocks and filling other blocks have the same result: unconfirmed transactions and fees pile up.

There is plenty of evidence of spam.
https://jochen-hoenicke.de/queue/#3m
I don't have the TX's to hand, but there are 1000's of transactions shuffling tiny amounts between 1000's of addresses.
I don't think anyone is disputing that there is spam, the question is, who is causing it, and what is their motive.

[DooMAD]

Hello guys, I really don't understand all the "excitement" about that SegWit thing. It already activated couple of days ago and still nothing - too many unconfirmed transactions, fees are very high,

Some SegWit proponents were a little overzealous in their unrestrained hyping of the benefits, while not pausing to contemplate on the effect this might have on all the people who rely on the opinions posted on this board for information.  Now we have all the anticipation built up and not much to show for it yet.  But please be patient.  For anyone who understood the fact that SegWit will only provide benefit when people actually begin switching to the new keypairs and using them for their transactions, this is all unfolding as predicted.  This information is not new, it has been available for some time.  It just got buried amongst all the hype and drama.  It's expected that some unreputable opportunists may seize upon this short term confusion and disappointment to claim that it was all a lie or that it doesn't work as advertised, but this should be ignored.  The improvements will become apparent over time, not straight away.

Give it time.

[countryfree]

We can't deny that there were some over-promising and now some under-delivering. Plenty of people thought the SegWit activation on August 1st would cure all problems, and they see now that nothing has changed... I'm betting BTC's price to go down because of this. Of course, it will raise again in the future.

[d5000]

block sizes are still under 1 MB

This is already not true - if I interpret blockchain.info's statistics right, so far, we had four blocks with more than 1 MB (these need to include Segwit transactions), three of them mined today:

- block 481947 (1,032119 MB)
- block 482152 (1,00003 MB)
- block 482187 (1,00003 MB)
- block 482191 (1,00001 MB)

So things are moving slowly, but they are moving.