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September 02, 2017, 08:05:43 PM
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I am amazed at the capability of NSA to trace an unknown guy through his own words. Indeed, Satoshi Nakamoto wrote many things about Bitcoin and cryptocurrency in general. Through the use of modern technology, they are able to identify the man...though of course the details are not yet released for now...maybe in the coming decades we would really know who can be the man or woman behind the name Satoshi Nakamoto. For now, we the ordinary mortals could only speculate on his identity.
NSA knew that Nick Szabo was Satoshi Nakamoto in early 2008 when he released the Alpha version with the 15 min block spacing and the 4 week difficulty adjustment interval. Why do people think Bitcoin was released in 2009 when it was simply launched then? We were tinkering with the Bitcoin code in 2008 a full year before it was launched.


Code:
unsigned int GetNextWorkRequired(const CBlockIndex* pindexLast)
{
    const unsigned int nTargetTimespan = 30 * 24 * 60 * 60;
    const unsigned int nTargetSpacing = 15 * 60;
    const unsigned int nIntervals = nTargetTimespan / nTargetSpacing;

    // Cache
    static const CBlockIndex* pindexLastCache;
    static unsigned int nBitsCache;
    static CCriticalSection cs_cache;
    CRITICAL_BLOCK(cs_cache)
        if (pindexLast && pindexLast == pindexLastCache)
            return nBitsCache;

    // Go back 30 days
    const CBlockIndex* pindexFirst = pindexLast;
    for (int i = 0; pindexFirst && i < nIntervals; i++)
        pindexFirst = pindexFirst->pprev;
    if (pindexFirst == NULL)
        return MINPROOFOFWORK;

    // Load first and last block
    CBlock blockFirst;
    if (!blockFirst.ReadFromDisk(pindexFirst, false))
        throw runtime_error("GetNextWorkRequired() : blockFirst.ReadFromDisk failed\n");
    CBlock blockLast;
    if (!blockLast.ReadFromDisk(pindexLast, false))
        throw runtime_error("GetNextWorkRequired() : blockLast.ReadFromDisk failed\n");

    // Limit one change per timespan
    unsigned int nBits = blockLast.nBits;
    if (blockFirst.nBits == blockLast.nBits)
    {
        unsigned int nTimespan = blockLast.nTime - blockFirst.nTime;
        if (nTimespan > nTargetTimespan * 2 && nBits >= MINPROOFOFWORK)
            nBits--;
        else if (nTimespan < nTargetTimespan / 2)
            nBits++;
    }

    CRITICAL_BLOCK(cs_cache)
    {
        pindexLastCache = pindexLast;
        nBitsCache = nBits;
    }
    return nBits;
}
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September 02, 2017, 08:10:50 PM
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I am amazed at the capability of NSA to trace an unknown guy through his own words. Indeed, Satoshi Nakamoto wrote many things about Bitcoin and cryptocurrency in general. Through the use of modern technology, they are able to identify the man...though of course the details are not yet released for now...maybe in the coming decades we would really know who can be the man or woman behind the name Satoshi Nakamoto. For now, we the ordinary mortals could only speculate on his identity.
NSA knew that Nick Szabo was Satoshi Nakamoto in early 2008 when he released the Alpha version with the 15 min block spacing and the 4 week difficulty adjustment interval. Why do people think Bitcoin was released in 2009 when it was simply launched then? We were tinkering with the Bitcoin code in 2008 a full year before it was launched.


Code:
unsigned int GetNextWorkRequired(const CBlockIndex* pindexLast)
{
    const unsigned int nTargetTimespan = 30 * 24 * 60 * 60;
    const unsigned int nTargetSpacing = 15 * 60;
    const unsigned int nIntervals = nTargetTimespan / nTargetSpacing;

    // Cache
    static const CBlockIndex* pindexLastCache;
    static unsigned int nBitsCache;
    static CCriticalSection cs_cache;
    CRITICAL_BLOCK(cs_cache)
        if (pindexLast && pindexLast == pindexLastCache)
            return nBitsCache;

    // Go back 30 days
    const CBlockIndex* pindexFirst = pindexLast;
    for (int i = 0; pindexFirst && i < nIntervals; i++)
        pindexFirst = pindexFirst->pprev;
    if (pindexFirst == NULL)
        return MINPROOFOFWORK;

    // Load first and last block
    CBlock blockFirst;
    if (!blockFirst.ReadFromDisk(pindexFirst, false))
        throw runtime_error("GetNextWorkRequired() : blockFirst.ReadFromDisk failed\n");
    CBlock blockLast;
    if (!blockLast.ReadFromDisk(pindexLast, false))
        throw runtime_error("GetNextWorkRequired() : blockLast.ReadFromDisk failed\n");

    // Limit one change per timespan
    unsigned int nBits = blockLast.nBits;
    if (blockFirst.nBits == blockLast.nBits)
    {
        unsigned int nTimespan = blockLast.nTime - blockFirst.nTime;
        if (nTimespan > nTargetTimespan * 2 && nBits >= MINPROOFOFWORK)
            nBits--;
        else if (nTimespan < nTargetTimespan / 2)
            nBits++;
    }

    CRITICAL_BLOCK(cs_cache)
    {
        pindexLastCache = pindexLast;
        nBitsCache = nBits;
    }
    return nBits;
}

Wrong. It was only speculated that Nick Szabo was Satoshi Nakamoto. It was a long list in 2009 and up about who could possibly be the real Satoshi Nakamoto but Szabo have denied this by himself and other people have argued it with strong arguments why he is not Satoshi Nakamoto. Just read the Wikipedia on Nick Szabo. We don't know who is Satoshi Nakamoto and I doubt anyone knows at this point.




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September 02, 2017, 11:14:43 PM
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I am not amazed by their capability to trace a huge amount of data because they have a billion dollar facility in Utah to monitor everything but that does not mean that they could track anyone in a certain period,almost all of the things you said made me laugh as i am not sure about the source of your topic but either way it looks like you are watching a lot of spy movies  Tongue 














 

 

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September 02, 2017, 11:27:14 PM
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*They* aren't as smart as *they* would like us to think they are.

Anyone as smart as Satoshi is smart enough to stay ahead of them anyway.

This is part of the FUD about regulation and confiscation.

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September 02, 2017, 11:40:09 PM
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This news is not verified,it is an hear say, people are not so bother about the identity of Satoshi Nakamoto
Bigs Thanks to this great supreme being that has turn the life of many around,with him voice has been release to the less privelege.

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September 02, 2017, 11:48:59 PM
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I think satoshi is very smart and i think they don't let other to know him . and i think that is not a real name of satoshi nakamoto and i think he just use this as his name in the team of bitcoin..
Since its a NSA why they can trace what ip use by nakamoto so that they can have idea where nakamoto live..
And get all records or keep record all living people in the place or area . And maybe they can find it. .


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September 03, 2017, 04:33:07 AM
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It's been years since there has been any confirmed Satoshi communications. The article makes it sound like he's still actively involved in the project and contacting people. Not to say he may not be, for all I know he is involved using various aliases. (If so Hi Satoshi, thanks for your work!). Of course why would the real Satoshi want to come forward? Being worth that kind of money causes security issues. Better to live on in anonymity and chuckle at various articles like these.



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The NSA then took bulk emails and texts collected from their mass surveillance efforts. First through PRISM (a court-approved front-door access to Google and Yahoo user accounts) and then through MUSCULAR (where the NSA copies the data flows across fiber optic cables that carry information among the data centers of Google, Yahoo, Amazon, and Facebook) the NSA was able to place trillions of writings from more than a billion people in the same plane as Satoshi’s writings to find his true identity.

But why? Why go to so much trouble to identify Satoshi? My source tells me that the Obama administration was concerned that Satoshi was an agent of Russia or China — that Bitcoin might be weaponized against us in the future.

Your words are your fingerprint. The moral of the story? You can’t hide on the internet anymore. Your sentence structure and word use is MORE unique than your own fingerprint. If an organization, like the NSA, wants to find you they will.

Source Here.

I'm not sure if doing a massive surveillance to citizens in exchange for the masses 'security' is a good thing.
They think Satoshi is an agent, other words a spy. But who's doing it right now collecting bulk emails from unknowing persons.

If this is true then my concern is not about finding out who is Satoshi but instead, this makes the world scary.
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The ‘creator’ of Bitcoin, Satoshi Nakamoto, is the world’s most elusive billionaire. Very few people outside of the Department of Homeland Security know Satoshi’s real name. In fact, DHS will not publicly confirm that even THEY know the billionaire’s identity. Satoshi has taken great care to keep his identity secret employing the latest encryption and obfuscation methods in his communications. Despite these efforts (according to my source at the DHS) Satoshi Nakamoto gave investigators the only tool they needed to find him — his own words.

Using stylometry one is able to compare texts to determine authorship of a particular work. Throughout the years Satoshi wrote thousands of posts and emails and most of which are publicly available. According to my source, the NSA was able to the use the ‘writer invariant’ method of stylometry to compare Satoshi’s ‘known’ writings with trillions of writing samples from people across the globe.

The NSA then took bulk emails and texts collected from their mass surveillance efforts. First through PRISM (a court-approved front-door access to Google and Yahoo user accounts) and then through MUSCULAR (where the NSA copies the data flows across fiber optic cables that carry information among the data centers of Google, Yahoo, Amazon, and Facebook) the NSA was able to place trillions of writings from more than a billion people in the same plane as Satoshi’s writings to find his true identity.

But why? Why go to so much trouble to identify Satoshi? My source tells me that the Obama administration was concerned that Satoshi was an agent of Russia or China — that Bitcoin might be weaponized against us in the future.

Your words are your fingerprint. The moral of the story? You can’t hide on the internet anymore. Your sentence structure and word use is MORE unique than your own fingerprint. If an organization, like the NSA, wants to find you they will.

Source Here.
i'm sure there will be loads of posts here denouncing the NSA for this, because it is in fact creepy and invasive. however, this kind of thing is 'exactly' what they should be doing. "satoshi nakamoto" is a figure who created a economy-changing product, and as a result holds assets that value in the billions. their motivations, ideology, and state ties were unknown, though they maintained they were not an american. it's completely reasonable for government to find out who this person is, and determine if they were and ally, an enemy, or neither. now that they know they can act accordingly.

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September 03, 2017, 09:19:26 AM
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I don't think they can compel whoever they suspect to reveal himself as satoshi. First of all that would be against his right of self-incrimination, because the only way they can prove that he is satoshi is to ask him to sign messages from his addresses, login his old accounts, and other stuff that would require him to actually reveal it himself.

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September 03, 2017, 09:42:12 AM
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sounds like bull to me -NSA have "identified" Satoshi Nakamoto
but you can't know who he is,hush hush
it is like russian's involvement in the US presidential elections: we know they did it,but we won't show you proof Smiley

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September 03, 2017, 09:47:36 AM
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Again? this is going on for years now. Feds and the media are obsessed with this guy.  In my opinion, it is cheap attempt to assert FUD. It only tells me that, they do want to destroy bitcoin but they can't so they try to pin-point who's the creator so then maybe he/she/they know how to shut it off or at least influence or co-opt them to do so, that only means it is a threat to the fed and we're winning.

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September 03, 2017, 10:52:44 AM
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what if Satoshi ID is a classified info ... and it is all about red/blue team ?

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September 03, 2017, 11:03:32 AM
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I personnally don't really care about the identity of Satoshi, I just want to know what will happen to the bitcoins he owns, he has millions of it I think, they're laying dormant. Is he so rich he does not need to sell them ? will he give them to someone ? or will they just stay like that in "limbo" ?

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September 03, 2017, 12:19:19 PM
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I know satoshi nakamoto more than the NSA. I did a research few years ago and was successfully able to identify  the person on his log in and log out patterns in the forum. I also have access to the time frame of signing in and out of emails from yahoo and google gmail then i compare it to the forums log in and log out of satoshis account. See? I could create my own stories as well  then i could also post it to a site the only difference  is that i did not used a government body instead of my self


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September 04, 2017, 12:15:06 PM
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I bet there's Satoshi himself reading and commenting this forum and even this very thread, but with different, even newbie alt accounts. Here's his official profile, abandoned for almost 7 years: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3
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September 04, 2017, 12:50:52 PM
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This is something very interesting because I though similar things some weeks ago, before even knowing similar programs by NSA. Studying the way a person wrote can be useful to identify "anonymous" people. Every one has its own way of writing.
It's basically a social engineering technique, which may use advanced softwares to get results faster. But even a single individual with LOTS of patience and free time can achive good results...

Yes I definitely agree, this kind of footprinting and information-gathering is not very easy. Nowadays, when we come to think about it, is anything random? Even lets take the example of a Private key, it is generated by using a computer-based algorithm that basically deals with pretty complex calculations. A computer can NEVER come up with random stuff, atleast yet, as it does not have its own decision making capabilities. Think about it, if someone can identify the algorithms and try reverse engineering stuff, or come out with a way to figure out private keys of a certain wallet, we all will be prone to attacks and hacks.

This really makes me wonder how much vulnerable we are, specially to social engineering.

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September 04, 2017, 12:54:12 PM
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I bet there's Satoshi himself reading and commenting this forum and even this very thread, but with different, even newbie alt accounts. Here's his official profile, abandoned for almost 7 years: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3

I hope your view might be true but he should never open himself as satoshi to real world. If he do that he may get killed by any illuminati groups. Let him be hidden else copyright issue and many things will come across bitcoin usage. We cannot use like we do now. However thanks for the profile information.

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September 04, 2017, 03:02:29 PM
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I also hope he remains hidden from the world, but active here and anywhere needed.
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NSA has not identified Satoshi Nakamoto but it is Satoshi Nakamoto has identified the NSA agents.
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