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May 23, 2013, 10:26:02 PM
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Yesterday, I bought some bitcoins from someone and they sent it without a fee.

https://blockchain.info/address/13BXjmv6PCP361wKda63KfqH2kkCgv3Z8B

It's the 6.5 BTC sent to me from yesterday. I sent some of those bitcoins twice with a fee and neither of them are confirming. Are my funds going to be locked in limbo forever? Is there a way for the person or for me to somehow speed this up? How long would it take?

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May 23, 2013, 11:02:48 PM
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Are my funds going to be locked in limbo forever?

There is no reason other clients wouldn't relay your transaction so the miners should have gotten it.  There's no reason a miner wouldn't include your transaction other than since it has no fee it isn't the first to get included.  

If you had sent the payment using Bitcoin-Qt/bitcoind it would get re-broadcast periodically (e.g., hourly or more) until it gets included in a block.  However, there is no guarantee that this is happening from Blockchain.info/wallet and it appears that is the client you had used.  With your transaction now aged more than a full day, it is possible that it simply is no longer being re-broadcast and relayed and the mining pools no longer even know of your transaction.

If Blockchain.info/wallet eventually drops your transaction (and all your spend transactions since that used those funds from your 6.5 BTC coin) then your funds will re-appear and you can send the funds once again.   But there's also a chance a miner does include your transaction and it will confirm at some point ... like in the next 24 hours.

There's no way to add a fee after a transaction has been sent.  An approach to allowing that (child pays for parent) is something that has been addressed and had already been coded (pull #1647) but is not part of the Bitcoin-Qt/bitcoind client today and is not used by many (or any?) miners.

So a workaround today ... without any guarantee of it fixing your problem, is to just import the private key for your 13BXjmv6PCP361wKda63KfqH2kkCgv3Z8B adddress into Bitcoin-Qt and try to spend the funds from there.  Another approach is to "redeem" (import the private key) into Mt. Gox and let it try to sweep the funds to your Mt. Gox account.  Or wait another few hours or a day and see what happens with the transaction (i.e, either confirms or disappears).

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May 24, 2013, 06:19:33 AM
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Thanks a lot for thr suggestion and information. 

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May 24, 2013, 01:37:42 PM
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This is really ridiculous. Over 36 hours and still not a single sign of it confirming. https://blockchain.info/tx/d077aaf0bbf6f2cc1909c46e6d352af9d6a60b729f583a19ff1ee0bcb836e111

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May 24, 2013, 02:19:25 PM
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I agree, there is something fishy going on here. You might want to contact blockchain.info and their support if that is where you sent the transaction from, or possibly even PM piuk on here. You did spend the transaction just two hours after you received it, which might have hurt you, but honestly that should be supported. The fact that you're still waiting means something may have prevented the transaction from being resent.

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May 24, 2013, 03:35:00 PM
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Is there a mining pool that will generally take free transactions?  Even if such transactions are given low priority, it seems it would be useful to prevent these situations.
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May 24, 2013, 04:34:18 PM
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Are my funds going to be locked in limbo forever?
There is no reason other clients wouldn't relay your transaction so the miners should have gotten it.
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Sure there is.  The transaction includes an output less than 0.01 BTC, and did not include a fee.  Doesn't that violate the anit-spam relay rules in the Bitcoin-Qt (bitcoind) client?

You could try contacting some of the larger pool operators in the mining sub-forum and offering them a bounty to confirm the transaction for you.  Hopefully in the future there will be easier ways to offer such an incentive.

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May 24, 2013, 05:51:53 PM
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I've just gotten the private key from the person who sent it to me and redeemed it on gox. It said redemption successful and my account will be given 6.507 btc. How long will it take for gox to sweep the funds?

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May 24, 2013, 05:53:03 PM
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Also redeemed it on blockchain so hopefully one of them will get it soon.

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May 24, 2013, 06:20:26 PM
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I assume this is the transaction sweeping the funds to MtGox?

If so, it just got 6 confirmations, so I'd think you'd see it at MtGox very soon.

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