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July 02, 2013, 05:27:07 AM
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Btc pricing is so random.  The exchange of fiat currencies has fundamental economic drivers and it's publicly known how central banks manipulate the rates.
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July 03, 2013, 01:02:35 AM
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Singapore currency is weighted against a basket of currencies, I find that it is the most effective way as compared to others.   It gives us far more control over our own currencies and less worries of being attacked by the likes of Soros as in the British pound
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July 05, 2013, 04:56:52 AM
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How is the trade volume at FYBSG now any active trader there or anyone selling their BTC?

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July 05, 2013, 05:37:18 AM
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Quite active. I been watching it closely now that btc start to fluctuate more.

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July 05, 2013, 05:43:40 AM
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ya me too... Looking out for any Euro crisis  Cool
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July 05, 2013, 09:44:00 AM
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Quite active. I been watching it closely now that btc start to fluctuate more.

Orderbook of fyb-sg so small... how to be active?
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July 05, 2013, 10:01:21 AM
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Lol... What to do if too big also problem...
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July 05, 2013, 10:10:33 AM
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Slow and steady lah, small can grow big
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July 05, 2013, 10:30:17 AM
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Quite active. I been watching it closely now that btc start to fluctuate more.

Orderbook of fyb-sg so small... how to be active?

Help it grow. Put in a bid / ask, if it's reasonable it will get filled pretty fast - regardless of what the orderbook looks like. I'm quite happy with their service so far and really hope they can grow the business and make it profitable.

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July 05, 2013, 11:29:50 AM
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I think it's still only amateurs or the exchange trading against itself at FYB-sg. That's why the price is staying so much higher during this last downturn. It would be about 5$ lower right now if there were professional traders, but they won't go there because FYB chages 3 times more than the BTC-e for example.
They say it's to cover development costs, but their trading interface is one of the lamest and most primitive I've seen.
The reason FYB is not growing is because they charge too much.
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July 05, 2013, 01:24:40 PM
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But then again how does withdrawal work on btc-e?
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July 05, 2013, 01:56:30 PM
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I think it's still only amateurs or the exchange trading against itself at FYB-sg. That's why the price is staying so much higher during this last downturn. It would be about 5$ lower right now if there were professional traders, but they won't go there because FYB chages 3 times more than the BTC-e for example.
They say it's to cover development costs, but their trading interface is one of the lamest and most primitive I've seen.
The reason FYB is not growing is because they charge too much.

If you think the price is $5 too high - sell some BTC. Smiley Deposits and withdrawals are free and FYB charges won't eat up the price difference.

If you have SGD and want to trade BTC, BTC-e will charge you fx into USD and very significant wire charges. I'm not saying fyb-sg is super-cheap, I wish it was cheaper, but they need more volume to get there, I'm sure they would lower their fees if volumes went up.

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July 05, 2013, 02:16:22 PM
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Help it grow. Put in a bid / ask, if it's reasonable it will get filled pretty fast - regardless of what the orderbook looks like. I'm quite happy with their service so far and really hope they can grow the business and make it profitable.
Right now, a "reasonable" price according to the main exchanges is around 91-92SGD. Let's see how fast that gets filled.

I already sold all the btc I wanted in order to see whether FYB is a good trading place. It works the other way around from what you say: if they lowered their fees, they would get more volume. The customer, which is the trader, and their competition, which are the other exchanges, drive that relationship, NOT what the exchange thinks it "needs" the fee to be.

Pro traders only exit the exchange in fiat once in a while, but they trade continuously. So, the exit fees are much less important than per-trade fees.
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July 05, 2013, 03:31:55 PM
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I think you failed to point out that we are at the mercy of the currency rate depending on who processes the deposit/withdrawals to whatever overseas exchange. And why do you keep attacking FYBSG. You should know how people are and how big the current btc market is like in Singapore.
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July 05, 2013, 03:51:31 PM
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I think you failed to point out that we are at the mercy of the currency rate depending on who processes the deposit/withdrawals to whatever overseas exchange. And why do you keep attacking FYBSG. You should know how people are and how big the current btc market is like in Singapore.
Every other exchange is also at the mercy of the deposit/wdl processing. Yet their trading fees are much lower.
That's not the point though: at FYBSB there is no api trading, and therefore no arbitrage to the exchanges overseas. So, there is no liquidity, plus much higher fees. That's preventing FYB from growing and keeps the rate artificially high.

92sgd has been at the top of the bids for hours now during a worldwide down trend, but no trades have happened at FYB in that price range. Until FYB becomes a real arbitraged exchange with an API that's actually used, and competitive trading fees, it's better for ordinary people just to exchange through LocalBitcoins.com or something. Right now, FYB is a joke, but wants to charge top dollar!  Cheesy

The Singapore market isn't big, but the world of traders interested in trading SGD is...
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July 05, 2013, 09:32:32 PM
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These last few hours were exactly what I mean: I was trading this heavy downturn on 4 other exchanges - Bitstamp USD, RMBTB CNY, Ripple XRP, and BTC-e LTC. On every exchange I made money by taking manual short positions without using any kind of a trading bot!  Grin It was hours of entertainment, and profit, even though BTC was crashing!

In terms of SGD, at the main place of today's action - Bitstamp - the rate declined to 81 SGD, and now bounced back. At the FYB-SG "exchange" - NOT A SINGLE TRADE during those hours - the top bid stayed at 92SGD!  Cheesy Pathetic!

I wanted and would have traded this crash manually at FYB, if there were other traders or even their bots, but they will never come at these per-trade fees!  Look at RMBTB - the latest Chinese exchange. It's even newer than FYB, but their fees are half those of FYB, plus they give a high-volume discount, AND they already have more volume!

It's also a much better built site. Compared to that, FYB looks like some school kids hacked it out in their spare time...  Cheesy

I really want to trade SGD at FYB, but they have to make it appealing for serious traders! My suggestion is that those school kids log into BitStamp, and make FYB work like that...
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July 06, 2013, 01:14:42 AM
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MTgox controls 80% of the trades, also Singapore doesn't have much of a base for Bitcoin, patience, you need to slowly win over the converts from MTgox
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July 06, 2013, 01:39:01 AM
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The problem is there is not enough volume, in regards to the website I understand what you are saying. Until the trade volume is substantial if not there will not be an improvement or any other new SG exchange
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July 06, 2013, 04:58:58 AM
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There are reasons why bitcoin isn't picking up by local people in Singapore. Your currency has been relatively stable and your economic isn't build on Ponzi scheme like the US or Europe.

When people are not worry about their saving, why bother seeking alternative currency.


With that being said, there is no reason why Singapore can't be another major hub for bitcoin trading in Asia.

The owner running the exchange here can do the following to attract volume:
1) Open a foreign currency account with your local bank and let customer deposit money in currency other than Singapore dollar. You can pass the incoming and outgoing fee to customer.
2) Let people trade in currency other than Singapore dollar (ie, Euro, pound, USD, Aussy).
3) Reduce the transaction fee to attract Market Maker, trader, and people doing arbitrage. I can assure you if the wire fee and transaction fee are low enough, you can attract all kind of people to your exchange from all over the world.
4) Have adequate support staff. The support team doesn't even have to be good. Just competent enough to beat the one at Mtgox (I can assure you this isn't even hard to beat seeing many of their angry customers (I am one among them) have their money stucked for over 1 month)
5) The bid and ask trade engine has to be reasonable. Bitstamp and Mtgox have pretty lame matching algorithm yet they still manage to become the major exchanges. Finding a competent programmer to write a better bid-ask engine and matching algorithm shouldn't be too hard.


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July 06, 2013, 12:31:57 PM
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MTgox controls 80% of the trades, also Singapore doesn't have much of a base for Bitcoin, patience, you need to slowly win over the converts from MTgox
That 80% figure has never been true!
Gox controls no more than 70% of major exchange trades now:
http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/volumepie/

That's not even counting Localbitcoins.com, Bitcoin-OTC markets, the new Buttonwood exchanges, meetups, and other private trades.

How much market share gox has nothing to do with the fees FYB charges or how much volume it does either. Exchanges are not religions, where one has to be converted from one to another. Pro traders trade on multiple exchanges at the same time, IF the cost structure is right.
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