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Author Topic: Clarkmoody, bitcoincharts, etc: we need new ways to watch the market, post-mtgox  (Read 1872 times)
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May 24, 2013, 09:06:40 AM
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(I should probably post this in Service Discussion as well, but since those who speculate are also those who make the heaviest use of charts and other data platforms, it seemed right to post here first.)

Alright, it's official now: in the past few days, mtgox volume (in USD) has fallen below 50%, 2.8M USD vs. >1.7M USD, past 24 h (source: bitcoincharts market overview).

As a result, many of our tools to observe the market, clarkmoody first and foremost, are simply not appropriate anymore to really see what's going on.

Other sites, like bitcoincharts, already allow you to look at the data of other exchanges, but the problem is that you can only look at individual exchanges like that, while ideally you would also be able to look at an aggregate of various/all exchanges.

What's your take on it? Agreement, or: doesn't matter, saw charts.

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May 24, 2013, 09:41:56 AM
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Ideally I would want a graph with toggle options for each major exchange in its own color for both price and order book depth, along with a average and sum respectively. But I don't look gift horses in the mouth, so bitcoinity works for me.

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May 24, 2013, 10:32:40 AM
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May 24, 2013, 01:01:10 PM
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Maybe this http://bitcoin.stoto.net/ is a bit helpful.

But I agree. I would like to have a tool, which combines them all.

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May 24, 2013, 01:18:23 PM
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Maybe this http://bitcoin.stoto.net/ is a bit helpful.

But I agree. I would like to have a tool, which combines them all.

Very useful, thanks. Didn't know it.

My point is not so much that there are absolutely no ways to look at the various markets, I know they exist, but that some of the best (free) tools are still very much centered around the idea that mtgox is the defining market.

I'm sure some here use proprietary tools and don't care about any of this, but a lot of us are using the free tools, e.g. clarkmoody (which is altogether just a brilliant design), and unless those sites adapt to the new market situation, they are less useful than they were before.

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May 24, 2013, 01:35:10 PM
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It should be pretty straight forward to display the different exchanges in one wall chart.

mtgox isn't under 50% -yet so celebration is probably early... I also think there is some sort of "support" at these levels - it will be hard to keep mtgox out of majority permanently.
But at least that is something the vocal majority seems to agree on, you people just have to act on it.

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they keep laughing, then they start choking on their laughter, and then they go and catch their breath. Then they start laughing even more.
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May 24, 2013, 01:49:42 PM
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Hi,
I am currently working on a new charting website. I'll probably announce it this week-end.
It's a follow-up of this thread : http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=210202.0
For now, I only have Mt Gox data, but others should come soon Smiley
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May 24, 2013, 01:50:22 PM
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Maybe this http://bitcoin.stoto.net/ is a bit helpful.

But I agree. I would like to have a tool, which combines them all.

Very useful, thanks. Didn't know it.

My point is not so much that there are absolutely no ways to look at the various markets, I know they exist, but that some of the best (free) tools are still very much centered around the idea that mtgox is the defining market.

I'm sure some here use proprietary tools and don't care about any of this, but a lot of us are using the free tools, e.g. clarkmoody (which is altogether just a brilliant design), and unless those sites adapt to the new market situation, they are less useful than they were before.

Why not make the case directly to the owners of those free websites?

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May 24, 2013, 02:17:06 PM
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We're adding as many exchanges as we can, with the full intent of modeling across exchanges. Perhaps it is not exactly what you are referring to. But be sure, plenty of us are diversifying our toolkits.

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May 24, 2013, 02:25:55 PM
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My point is not so much that there are absolutely no ways to look at the various markets, I know they exist, but that some of the best (free) tools are still very much centered around the idea that mtgox is the defining market.

This!

And combining exchanges should just be the beginning. I mean.. we don't even have a trading plattform with indicators, fibonacci etc. besides SierraChart afaik.

I'd like to see one tool which combines blockchained.com, clark moody as real time chart and bitcoincharts.com for indicators. Oh and bitcoinity of course for nice wall visualization.

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May 24, 2013, 09:14:41 PM
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And combining exchanges should just be the beginning. I mean.. we don't even have a trading plattform with indicators, fibonacci etc. besides SierraChart afaik.

Have you checked out RTBTC? https://rtbtc.com/

In private beta now. Public release Coming SoonTM

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May 25, 2013, 10:30:57 AM
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It should be pretty straight forward to display the different exchanges in one wall chart.

mtgox isn't under 50% -yet so celebration is probably early... I also think there is some sort of "support" at these levels - it will be hard to keep mtgox out of majority permanently.
But at least that is something the vocal majority seems to agree on, you people just have to act on it.

Did you look at the numbers yourself? I didn't say they are permanently below 50%, but during a 48h or so period, they sure were. Now they're back to above 50%, so the point you make is valid in principle.

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May 25, 2013, 10:40:49 AM
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And combining exchanges should just be the beginning. I mean.. we don't even have a trading plattform with indicators, fibonacci etc. besides SierraChart afaik.

Have you checked out RTBTC? https://rtbtc.com/

In private beta now. Public release Coming SoonTM

Nice!

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May 25, 2013, 11:35:21 AM
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And combining exchanges should just be the beginning. I mean.. we don't even have a trading plattform with indicators, fibonacci etc. besides SierraChart afaik.

Have you checked out RTBTC? https://rtbtc.com/

In private beta now. Public release Coming SoonTM

Wow! Looks very promissing. Hope you include Bitstamp.. :p

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May 26, 2013, 05:01:04 AM
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You guys try this yet? http://www.cryptocoincharts.info/
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June 05, 2013, 05:55:16 PM
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*self-thread necromancy* Arise!

Fucking finally! This is what I've been looking for.... order books of mtgox and bitstamp combined, among other things:

http://www.coinorama.net/

Still a bit rough around the edges, but already very, very useful, in my opinion. Bookmarked.

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July 01, 2013, 06:02:58 PM
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RTBTC is now live and open for signups!

We've launched with Mt. Gox trading and charting support, but adding new exchanges is one of our first priorities.

Check it out at https://rtbtc.com/

Note: the service is not free, but you can get 15 days of service for less than 0.05 BTC.

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July 01, 2013, 09:49:15 PM
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RTBTC is now live and open for signups!

We've launched with Mt. Gox trading and charting support, but adding new exchanges is one of our first priorities.

Check it out at https://rtbtc.com/

Note: the service is not free, but you can get 15 days of service for less than 0.05 BTC.

Looks fantastic.

And the pricing algorithm is pretty neat as well :D

Not sure which Bitcoin wallet to use? I suggest to take a look at Electrum.
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