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September 25, 2017, 07:34:41 PM |
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EUV isn't an option for 10nm and smaller.
It is a REQUIREMENT and has been one of the major factors causing delays in the deployment of new smaller nodes of production.
There is no reason why smaller node chips will require anything more than air cooling.
Immersion cooling can be nice - but it's only practical on a HUGE SCALE for mining.
Even most of the MAJOR industrial-level mining farms have been air cooled due to the cost of setting up an immersion cooling setup.
Even for LARGE SCALE mines, the efficiency might not be worth the up-front costs, though the longer "cycle times" for equipment might change that some now that mining has caught up to semiconductor state-of-the-art.
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Sr.Urbanist
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September 25, 2017, 09:24:54 PM |
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I agree; it's probably expensive to setup liquid and would take maintenance.
Would you buy a 16/14 nm Bitcoin miner, at this point, or wait for the next gen to come out?
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QuintLeo
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September 26, 2017, 07:03:58 PM |
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I don't like the relatively low reliability of the S9, and nothing BitFury based showed up for a long time, so I've BEEN waiting.
If the S9 was RELIABLE, I'd probably have been accumulating them for a while now.
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AtraxPool
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September 26, 2017, 07:14:15 PM |
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I don't like the relatively low reliability of the S9, and nothing BitFury based showed up for a long time, so I've BEEN waiting.
If the S9 was RELIABLE, I'd probably have been accumulating them for a while now.
Same after some teaser videos the chip news from bitfury has dried up most of there videos now are to promote their data centers . |
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philipma1957
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September 26, 2017, 09:25:15 PM |
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I don't like the relatively low reliability of the S9, and nothing BitFury based showed up for a long time, so I've BEEN waiting.
If the S9 was RELIABLE, I'd probably have been accumulating them for a while now.
I would have at least 12 s-9's maybe 15 but they break a lot so I have 3 and ⅔ of them and still no reply for repair to one board. |
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QuintLeo
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September 27, 2017, 10:53:53 PM |
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I don't like the relatively low reliability of the S9, and nothing BitFury based showed up for a long time, so I've BEEN waiting.
If the S9 was RELIABLE, I'd probably have been accumulating them for a while now.
Same after some teaser videos the chip news from bitfury has dried up most of there videos now are to promote their data centers . There are a few folks using BitFury chips to make miners being sold to the public - the Hotmine X5/X6 comes immediately to mind. I do with Sidehack would get to his BitFury project - at the rate he's going, the chips he has access to might be OUTDATED because he keeps puttering around with old OUTDATED stuff first. |
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September 27, 2017, 11:27:46 PM |
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I don't like the relatively low reliability of the S9, and nothing BitFury based showed up for a long time, so I've BEEN waiting.
If the S9 was RELIABLE, I'd probably have been accumulating them for a while now.
Same after some teaser videos the chip news from bitfury has dried up most of there videos now are to promote their data centers . There are a few folks using BitFury chips to make miners being sold to the public - the Hotmine X5/X6 comes immediately to mind. I do with Sidehack would get to his BitFury project - at the rate he's going, the chips he has access to might be OUTDATED because he keeps puttering around with old OUTDATED stuff first. Unfortunately it's extremely difficult to get your hands on one of those miners and many have tried to no avail. Sidehack's going at his own speed and it'll probably be too late for the Bitfury chips to be profitable at all, but he always designed hardware for hobbyists anyways. Bitfury hardware is difficult to obtain and you'll probably pay a premium for it if you get anything from em. |
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promojo (OP)
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October 04, 2017, 05:51:01 PM |
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I don't like the relatively low reliability of the S9, and nothing BitFury based showed up for a long time, so I've BEEN waiting.
If the S9 was RELIABLE, I'd probably have been accumulating them for a while now.
Same after some teaser videos the chip news from bitfury has dried up most of there videos now are to promote their data centers . They actually DO sell chips and miners... You simply need to put in a MOQ of $1 Million USD. |
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fanatic26
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October 04, 2017, 11:44:32 PM |
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Spoke with some well respected crypto people based out of Japan, they confirmed this company is 100% full of shit. They will never bring a 7nm miner to the table.
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Stop buying industrial miners, running them at home, and then complaining about the noise.
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philipma1957
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October 05, 2017, 02:01:04 AM |
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Spoke with some well respected crypto people based out of Japan, they confirmed this company is 100% full of shit. They will never bring a 7nm miner to the table.
Well if you told me to make a guess I would guess they never sell it. |
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HagssFIN
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October 05, 2017, 07:25:20 PM |
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Spoke with some well respected crypto people based out of Japan, they confirmed this company is 100% full of shit. They will never bring a 7nm miner to the table.
Do you have any specific info to back this allegation? This is interesting because GMO Internet is actually quite big company and has been around making IT product for a while. |
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fanatic26
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October 05, 2017, 10:14:46 PM |
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Do you have any specific info to back this allegation?
This is interesting because GMO Internet is actually quite big company and has been around making IT product for a while.
No I dont ever reveal sources. You are more than welcome to be skeptical, it matters not to me. I know what I know. |
Stop buying industrial miners, running them at home, and then complaining about the noise.
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Sr.Urbanist
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October 18, 2017, 05:34:35 PM |
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Spoke with some well respected crypto people based out of Japan, they confirmed this company is 100% full of shit. They will never bring a 7nm miner to the table.
Interesting. It does seem far fetched for an unknown company to come from the sidelines and punt beyond a company who has been making them for years without anybody surpassing their price point per hash. Although ... that's exactly what does happen from time to time in tech Any thoughts on a faster ASIC than the S9 14 TH/s in the next 6 months? |
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October 18, 2017, 09:55:10 PM |
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Spoke with some well respected crypto people based out of Japan, they confirmed this company is 100% full of shit. They will never bring a 7nm miner to the table.
Interesting. It does seem far fetched for an unknown company to come from the sidelines and punt beyond a company who has been making them for years without anybody surpassing their price point per hash. Although ... that's exactly what does happen from time to time in tech Any thoughts on a faster ASIC than the S9 14 TH/s in the next 6 months? Probability very close to zero - Bitman seems to have decided the S5+ form factor was a mistake and is not interested in buillding rack miners since it's current "small" miner is already pushing power supply limits for a lot of it's market, and Bitfury seems to be getting out of miners entirely except for "container" sized stuff. I can see a SMALL possibility of Bitmain moving to one of the newer "enhanced" 14/16nm process node upgrades for better efficiency, but even that is iffy when they have so little competition and NONE of it has demonstrated a LOT higher efficiency or performance. I strongly suspect the next "much bigger performance" miner models will have to wait for a non-Intel 10nm or 7nm process to reach full production (Intel rarely shares their production lines, and when they do it's with someone BIG like Apple). |
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fanatic26
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October 18, 2017, 11:45:27 PM |
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I am pretty sure we will all be riding our S9s for a good while. Id love a little competition but it just doesnt seem to be going that direction. Bitmain is still the big dog and everyone else is putting out hardware that cant even come close to touching it.
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Stop buying industrial miners, running them at home, and then complaining about the noise.
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Sr.Urbanist
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October 22, 2017, 11:42:36 PM |
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Id love a little competition but it just doesnt seem to be going that direction.
This miner is for sale and is advertised at 13.5 TH/s with only 1050W. It's liquid cooled. $1895.   https://syanmining.com/hardware/Does this seem legit? I've heard of some mining companies in the past scamming people. It's 14nm |
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October 23, 2017, 03:49:48 AM |
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Id love a little competition but it just doesnt seem to be going that direction.
This miner is for sale and is advertised at 13.5 TH/s with only 1050W. It's liquid cooled. $1895. Does this seem legit? I've heard of some mining companies in the past scamming people. It's 14nm Been living under a rock eh? ref the existing Is Sayan Miner Real thread in Hardware... |
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philipma1957
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October 23, 2017, 03:51:35 AM |
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Id love a little competition but it just doesnt seem to be going that direction.
This miner is for sale and is advertised at 13.5 TH/s with only 1050W. It's liquid cooled. $1895. https://sya...... Does this seem legit? I've heard of some mining companies in the past scamming people. It's 14nm please delete this. they are very likely a scam |
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promojo (OP)
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October 23, 2017, 03:41:29 PM |
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I don't like the relatively low reliability of the S9, and nothing BitFury based showed up for a long time, so I've BEEN waiting.
If the S9 was RELIABLE, I'd probably have been accumulating them for a while now.
How are they not reliable? Please explain..... These machines are pretty rugged as far as temps go and RH. |
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October 23, 2017, 03:47:56 PM |
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I don't like the relatively low reliability of the S9, and nothing BitFury based showed up for a long time, so I've BEEN waiting.
If the S9 was RELIABLE, I'd probably have been accumulating them for a while now.
How are they not reliable? Please explain..... These machines are pretty rugged as far as temps go and RH. This is NOT the place to discuss the s9! This thread is about the (so far) vaporware 7nm node. PERIOD. Just check the Antminer s9 thread in Hardware and ask your questions about them there. All the good and bad points of the s9 are already explained there. |
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