[Poll] Moneypot owners did not cash in free BCC or yes they did?

[JackpotRacer]

this happened

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1737934.msg21700452#msg21700452

Quote from: RHavar on September 10, 2017, 03:51:42 PM
Quote from: Dogedigital on September 10, 2017, 02:48:44 PM
BCC was not collected or distributed.  We encouraged all users to withdraw ahead of the Aug 1st fork and a small number of people made previous arrangements to collect their BCC while still part of the house bankroll. 

We will not, nor ever, support BCC in any shape or form.

Hm? I don't mean to sounds like an ass, but I don't understand this. Didn't you guys have like have 500+ bitcoin or something? At current prices that's like $300k USD worth of BCC.  I don't understand how you could possibly justify not collecting so much free money, especially when you're still holding all that unpaid debt to investors. I might be a bit off base here, but the only logical reason I can think of is that it might exacerbate solvency issues?

as Dogedigital is not quoting RHavar's posting I will do it.

again a very interesting and good posting. even 320 BTC with the current price is a lot of money and why would you ignore free coins? or did the investors withdraw all the coins to be sure to get their BCCs?

and thx for the fairness to mention the debts towards the Investors. all in all again a very strange behavior of MP
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to be frank I dont believe that MP owners like Ranlo, Blacksheep (Moderator at Bit-Exo), Dogedigital did not cash in BCC for free! the Bank Roll was about 320 BTC and as Dogedigital mentioned a few times that MP owners have a nice share in their Bankl Roll.

another call from me to MP owners is to keep their promise and start to compensate their Investors! Dogedigital is losing with such postings and actions more and more trust and face IMO

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[poordeveloper]

It's easy to check it. Just check the Bitcoin Cash addresses' transactions.

[JackpotRacer]

It's easy to check it. Just check the Bitcoin Cash addresses' transactions.

sorry but for me it is not easy but I know that everywhere I had some BTC I received BCC without any problems. can you check please? I am sure that the owners cashed in their BCC from their Bank Roll BTC or if not that would mean that they were not invested! btw I dont see the MP Bank Roll and stats on their site.

cheers

[DarkDays]

Here's the thing about BCC...it's not an opt in/opt out situation.  If you have BTC at the time of the split, you have BCC after the split.  It's given to you no questions asked.  So for the major gambling sites like Moneypot and Nitrogen (I'm sure there are others, those are the two biggest ones I've been made aware of) to say "We don't recognize BCC"...that's lunacy.  Someone is literally handing you massive amounts of money (likely in the millions of dollars), to not distribute that money to the accounts that in essence created it is tantamount to stealing that money from the players/investors.

JPR is normally the kind of shitposts, but in this case I think he's right on the money.  Don't sleep on this disturbing situations just because of the person who brought it to your attention.  We have major companies who are trying to sell us on the fact that they are ignoring accounts worth millions of dollars.

(They aren't)

(And it's not their money)

[JackpotRacer]

Here's the thing about BCC...it's not an opt in/opt out situation.  If you have BTC at the time of the split, you have BCC after the split.  It's given to you no questions asked.  So for the major gambling sites like Moneypot and Nitrogen (I'm sure there are others, those are the two biggest ones I've been made aware of) to say "We don't recognize BCC"...that's lunacy.  Someone is literally handing you massive amounts of money (likely in the millions of dollars), to not distribute that money to the accounts that in essence created it is tantamount to stealing that money from the players/investors.

JPR is normally the kind of shitposts, but in this case I think he's right on the money.  Don't sleep on this disturbing situations just because of the person who brought it to your attention.  We have major companies who are trying to sell us on the fact that they are ignoring accounts worth millions of dollars.

(They aren't)

(And it's not their money)

thank you for this posting! spot on beside one point! namely that -
JPR is normally the kind of shitposts-

all my accusations are spot on as yours right now

thx again

[Wh0CaR3s]

Here's the thing about BCC...it's not an opt in/opt out situation.  If you have BTC at the time of the split, you have BCC after the split.  It's given to you no questions asked.  So for the major gambling sites like Moneypot and Nitrogen (I'm sure there are others, those are the two biggest ones I've been made aware of) to say "We don't recognize BCC"...that's lunacy.  Someone is literally handing you massive amounts of money (likely in the millions of dollars), to not distribute that money to the accounts that in essence created it is tantamount to stealing that money from the players/investors.

JPR is normally the kind of shitposts, but in this case I think he's right on the money.  Don't sleep on this disturbing situations just because of the person who brought it to your attention.  We have major companies who are trying to sell us on the fact that they are ignoring accounts worth millions of dollars.

(They aren't)

(And it's not their money)

Coming from you, I am quite surprised that you missed that it is exactly what Betcoin.ag did (and as far as I know, Nitrogensports pledged to give back the BCHs to their customers but has yet to make good on their words).

Worse than that, at no point did they advise their customers to cash-out before the fork to split by themselves their BCHs. Betcoin.ag just said they will act in the best interests of their players and... kept all the BCHs for themselves.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2152902.0

On a side note, it seems to have very little to no backlash towards gambling BTC sites that pulled that move. Probably, because most of the people who got stolen from did not know better to start with (or else they would have cashed out before the fork) so they are not even aware that those BCHs are theirs.

Sadly I expect when/if a next hardfork occurs, more annon BTC gambling companies will try to get away with stealing since it seems - no uproar at all from the community - that there is no repercussion to their action (exchanges would never do that as they would get sued right off the bat).

[JackpotRacer]

Here's the thing about BCC...it's not an opt in/opt out situation.  If you have BTC at the time of the split, you have BCC after the split.  It's given to you no questions asked.  So for the major gambling sites like Moneypot and Nitrogen (I'm sure there are others, those are the two biggest ones I've been made aware of) to say "We don't recognize BCC"...that's lunacy.  Someone is literally handing you massive amounts of money (likely in the millions of dollars), to not distribute that money to the accounts that in essence created it is tantamount to stealing that money from the players/investors.

JPR is normally the kind of shitposts, but in this case I think he's right on the money.  Don't sleep on this disturbing situations just because of the person who brought it to your attention.  We have major companies who are trying to sell us on the fact that they are ignoring accounts worth millions of dollars.

(They aren't)

(And it's not their money)

Coming from you, I am quite surprised that you missed that it is exactly what Betcoin.ag did (and as far as I know, Nitrogensports pledged to give back the BCHs to their customers but has yet to make good on their words).

Worse than that, at no point did they advise their customers to cash-out before the fork to split by themselves their BCHs. Betcoin.ag just said they will act in the best interests of their players and... kept all the BCHs for themselves.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2152902.0

On a side note, it seems to have very little to no backlash towards gambling BTC sites that pulled that move. Probably, because most of the people who got stolen from did not know better to start with (or else they would have cashed out before the fork) so they are not even aware that those BCHs are theirs.

Sadly I expect when/if a next hardfork occurs, more annon BTC gambling companies will try to get away with stealing since it seems - no uproar at all from the community - that there is no repercussion to their action (exchanges would never do that as they would get sued right off the bat).

hey and thank you for that informative posting. all in all DarkDays is absolutely right when saying it was and is not their money and they stole it from their users and investors. yes it was easy money for them because no uproar happened

[DarkDays]

Coming from you, I am quite surprised that you missed that it is exactly what Betcoin.ag did (and as far as I know, Nitrogensports pledged to give back the BCHs to their customers but has yet to make good on their words).

Worse than that, at no point did they advise their customers to cash-out before the fork to split by themselves their BCHs. Betcoin.ag just said they will act in the best interests of their players and... kept all the BCHs for themselves.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2152902.0

Honestly, at this point, Betcoin has shown themselves to be such a criminal organization and I've warned people for so long about so many things that I have no sympathy for people who continue to give them their money.  It doesn't surprise me at all that Betcoin stole all of their player's BCC because they've stolen so much from so many for so long.

[andremd3]

Cant deny it doesn't look good that the thread was locked once this issue was brought up.

[JackpotRacer]

Cant deny it doesn't look good that the thread was locked once this issue was brought up.

exactly and it was not the first time that they locked the MP thread. check how many times pre owner RHavar locked his MP thread!

[SyGambler]

well since there is no opt in option and since all BCC were generated automatically for bitcoin addresses that mean that they have BCC and they can sell it , maybe they already sold it
it's not cool to not give users what they own in BCC , the site at least can take a fee of the money like 5% or something
at the end users shouldn't kept their money in a site that never stated that they will allow BCC withdrawals for users , that's the reason I transferred my bitcoins to cryptogames before the fork

[DarkDays]

it's not cool to not give users what they own in BCC , the site at least can take a fee of the money like 5% or something
at the end users shouldn't kept their money in a site that never stated that they will allow BCC withdrawals for users

Saying this while wearing a Betcoin avatar is high comedy. 

[SyGambler]

it's not cool to not give users what they own in BCC , the site at least can take a fee of the money like 5% or something
at the end users shouldn't kept their money in a site that never stated that they will allow BCC withdrawals for users

Saying this while wearing a Betcoin avatar is high comedy. 

nope it's not comedy , promoting a site doesn't mean that I agree 100% with what they do
in BCH case do you want to me count the sites that didn't pay their users ?? I bet you over 95% of what considered " legit and most trusted sites " didn't pay their users BCH
it's users fault not withdrawing before the fork when sites don't state what they will do , not saying it's a cool thing to do from the site but when you have money invested in sites you better know how to use it perfectly

[wellsontheja]

Just check at bch addresses transaction and you will knew about that.

[JackpotRacer]

Just check at bch addresses transaction and you will knew about that.

we will know about what? if I understood it right then the BCC were given auto so there is need to check it out beside if we want to know the amount though I dont know if it is possible. anyway it was a lie and a theft by Dogedigital and MP owners

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or the other possibility is as RHavar suspected it
........................but the only logical reason I can think of is that it might exacerbate solvency issues?

that would mean the Bank Roll that was published was not existent. even worse for the MP owners

[gapjustin]

this happened

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1737934.msg21700452#msg21700452

Quote from: RHavar on September 10, 2017, 03:51:42 PM
Quote from: Dogedigital on September 10, 2017, 02:48:44 PM
BCC was not collected or distributed.  We encouraged all users to withdraw ahead of the Aug 1st fork and a small number of people made previous arrangements to collect their BCC while still part of the house bankroll. 

We will not, nor ever, support BCC in any shape or form.

Hm? I don't mean to sounds like an ass, but I don't understand this. Didn't you guys have like have 500+ bitcoin or something? At current prices that's like $300k USD worth of BCC.  I don't understand how you could possibly justify not collecting so much free money, especially when you're still holding all that unpaid debt to investors. I might be a bit off base here, but the only logical reason I can think of is that it might exacerbate solvency issues?

as Dogedigital is not quoting RHavar's posting I will do it.

again a very interesting and good posting. even 320 BTC with the current price is a lot of money and why would you ignore free coins? or did the investors withdraw all the coins to be sure to get their BCCs?

and thx for the fairness to mention the debts towards the Investors. all in all again a very strange behavior of MP
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to be frank I dont believe that MP owners like Ranlo, Blacksheep (Moderator at Bit-Exo), Dogedigital did not cash in BCC for free! the Bank Roll was about 320 BTC and as Dogedigital mentioned a few times that MP owners have a nice share in their Bankl Roll.

another call from me to MP owners is to keep their promise and start to compensate their Investors! Dogedigital is losing with such postings and actions more and more trust and face IMO

*Sighs* just read the damn thread.
They clearly state that all big investors have gotten their bcc from MP, the no support was for all the dust balances on their site. If you weren't able to withdraw your btc for any reason whatsoever, then you could get your bcc (if you have a reasonable amount of btc probably)

[JackpotRacer]

this happened

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1737934.msg21700452#msg21700452

Quote from: RHavar on September 10, 2017, 03:51:42 PM
Quote from: Dogedigital on September 10, 2017, 02:48:44 PM
BCC was not collected or distributed.  We encouraged all users to withdraw ahead of the Aug 1st fork and a small number of people made previous arrangements to collect their BCC while still part of the house bankroll. 

We will not, nor ever, support BCC in any shape or form.

Hm? I don't mean to sounds like an ass, but I don't understand this. Didn't you guys have like have 500+ bitcoin or something? At current prices that's like $300k USD worth of BCC.  I don't understand how you could possibly justify not collecting so much free money, especially when you're still holding all that unpaid debt to investors. I might be a bit off base here, but the only logical reason I can think of is that it might exacerbate solvency issues?

as Dogedigital is not quoting RHavar's posting I will do it.

again a very interesting and good posting. even 320 BTC with the current price is a lot of money and why would you ignore free coins? or did the investors withdraw all the coins to be sure to get their BCCs?

and thx for the fairness to mention the debts towards the Investors. all in all again a very strange behavior of MP
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

to be frank I dont believe that MP owners like Ranlo, Blacksheep (Moderator at Bit-Exo), Dogedigital did not cash in BCC for free! the Bank Roll was about 320 BTC and as Dogedigital mentioned a few times that MP owners have a nice share in their Bankl Roll.

another call from me to MP owners is to keep their promise and start to compensate their Investors! Dogedigital is losing with such postings and actions more and more trust and face IMO

*Sighs* just read the damn thread.
They clearly state that all big investors have gotten their bcc from MP, the no support was for all the dust balances on their site. If you weren't able to withdraw your btc for any reason whatsoever, then you could get your bcc (if you have a reasonable amount of btc probably)

hey brown nosed boy please show us the statement and show us their cold wallet or whatever to see that they still have the Bank Roll

read Doge's message regarding the BCC or would you say RHavar is such a clown or idiot? or didnt you read RHavar's posting?

come over to the scam accusation thread

[JackpotRacer]

scam accusation open

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2176574.0