Wallet mixer possible?

[Zocadas]

Wouldn't that be great to have wallet with private keys and an anonymizer?
Is that possible?

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[bitbunnny]

So far I haven't heard of such combination but it sounds interesting to me. It would be very useful to have wallet with such characteristics and a lot of Bitcoin users would be interested in it, I'm sure. I don't know how this could be done in technical way but if someone has some more information or ideas, please share here.

[buwaytress]

Now that you mentioned it, I wonder what the developments have been with Samourai and Dark Wallet. Just checked both websites and Samourai seems still in Alpha, DW in public beta.

The former supposedly worked on some mixing features such as randomised outputs on each spend while DW would implement an extended CoinJoin. I've only seen the DarkSend/PrivateSend feature on an a rather poorly supported alt wallet (no, not Dash but Bitradio haha) but never used it. I don't currently have the means to test either, but now you know and can try!

[sachinunchwal02]

Properly mixing coins may seem like a daunting task to those who aren’t very familiar with Bitcoin, but it is actually a simple process that will only take a few minutes of your time for each deposit.

[TryNinja]

Now that you mentioned it, I wonder what the developments have been with Samourai and Dark Wallet. Just checked both websites and Samourai seems still in Alpha, DW in public beta.

The former supposedly worked on some mixing features such as randomised outputs on each spend while DW would implement an extended CoinJoin. I've only seen the DarkSend/PrivateSend feature on an a rather poorly supported alt wallet (no, not Dash but Bitradio haha) but never used it. I don't currently have the means to test either, but now you know and can try!

AFAIK Dark Wallet development is stalled since 2016 and I haven't seen any relevant progress since then. And since the project is still in beta, I wouldn't risk my coins with them. That's the problem with many of those projects. They never keep going.

[swogerino]

Until such wallet exists and if you don't want to pay fees in a mixer service you can use a gambling website to send your deposit there. Play a single bet with minimal value like 1 mBitcoin and wait a few hours, withdraw to another address from the one you send your deposit. Keep creating as many wallets as you like and you can use this simple yet effective way of mixing your coins and getting fresh coins, fresh for you only.

[Zocadas]

Until such wallet exists and if you don't want to pay fees in a mixer service you can use a gambling website to send your deposit there. Play a single bet with minimal value like 1 mBitcoin and wait a few hours, withdraw to another address from the one you send your deposit. Keep creating as many wallets as you like and you can use this simple yet effective way of mixing your coins and getting fresh coins, fresh for you only.

Awesome suggestion. That is a good solution until we have our mixer wallet.

[Lionel]

Until such wallet exists and if you don't want to pay fees in a mixer service you can use a gambling website to send your deposit there. Play a single bet with minimal value like 1 mBitcoin and wait a few hours, withdraw to another address from the one you send your deposit. Keep creating as many wallets as you like and you can use this simple yet effective way of mixing your coins and getting fresh coins, fresh for you only.

What if the betting site logs every movement? A trace would be left.

And also you have to be careful to split the withdrawal to multiple wallets or one can guess the path by observing the same amount being transfered  for the deposit on the betting site and the withdrawal.

At the end of the day you can forget about these tricks by connecting the wallet via TOR for peace of mind

[Zocadas]

Seems not so easy without a good mixer. Sounded so good with the gambling site.

[itod]

It is possible, already exists and is called Monero wallet. Problem is it is not Bitcoin wallet.

[Zocadas]

It is possible, already exists and is called Monero wallet. Problem is it is not Bitcoin wallet.

So it is the best to exchange to monero, xrp, ZCash and so on?

[itod]

It is possible, already exists and is called Monero wallet. Problem is it is not Bitcoin wallet.

So it is the best to exchange to monero, xrp, ZCash and so on?

Not necessarily so. Anonymity is a nice coin property, but obviously not the most important in the eyes of the majority of the users. Market dictates the price in it's mysterious ways.

[buwaytress]

Now that you mentioned it, I wonder what the developments have been with Samourai and Dark Wallet. Just checked both websites and Samourai seems still in Alpha, DW in public beta.

The former supposedly worked on some mixing features such as randomised outputs on each spend while DW would implement an extended CoinJoin. I've only seen the DarkSend/PrivateSend feature on an a rather poorly supported alt wallet (no, not Dash but Bitradio haha) but never used it. I don't currently have the means to test either, but now you know and can try!

AFAIK Dark Wallet development is stalled since 2016 and I haven't seen any relevant progress since then. And since the project is still in beta, I wouldn't risk my coins with them. That's the problem with many of those projects. They never keep going.

Ah, right, thanks for that. Amir Taaki had a very recent interview about Bitcoin (extreme libertarian Bitcoinist, believes in core but also believes Bitcoin needs to return to its ideological roots) and he was still referred to as the "co-organiser" (whatever that means) of Dark Wallet. Maybe I misheard or read too much, but it seemed a lot like DW was very much alive. All the same, I wouldn't mind testing a bit of coin on stuff like that - just more concerned with screwing my computer up is all

[Samarkand]

Until such wallet exists and if you don't want to pay fees in a mixer service you can use a gambling website to send your deposit there. Play a single bet with minimal value like 1 mBitcoin and wait a few hours, withdraw to another address from the one you send your deposit. Keep creating as many wallets as you like and you can use this simple yet effective way of mixing your coins and getting fresh coins, fresh for you only.

Many gambling websites would not tolerate this behavior for long. They want you to actually gamble there
and lose your funds in the process and not become a partner in crime for crypto laundering.

Some operators even explicitly prohibit this kind of behavior in their terms of service.

[Lionel]

Until such wallet exists and if you don't want to pay fees in a mixer service you can use a gambling website to send your deposit there. Play a single bet with minimal value like 1 mBitcoin and wait a few hours, withdraw to another address from the one you send your deposit. Keep creating as many wallets as you like and you can use this simple yet effective way of mixing your coins and getting fresh coins, fresh for you only.

Many gambling websites would not tolerate this behavior for long. They want you to actually gamble there
and lose your funds in the process and not become a partner in crime for crypto laundering.

Some operators even explicitly prohibit this kind of behavior in their terms of service.

That is not a problem.
You can bet all your coins on bets with high probability (and lowest odds), so they cannot say you are not betting all your money.
Then after you win you withdraw everything.
It's not against their TOS, you actually are betting every single coin you have deposited and they can't find out you did it just for other reasons.

But the problem with this approach is the same as VPNs, they log everything so all your money movements are not untraceable as they claim.
When you withdraw , authorities know you are the same person who deposited/bet those coins.

And Monero/ZCash/ZCoin claim to be untraceable but often new researches come out that find privacy vulnerabilities in those currencies, so i would think twice before using Monero if i were doing shady stuff, it would be too risky not having the guarantee it's untraceable .

Many voices here on this forum say that the only solution is still a wallet over TOR (whatever crypto you want, even Bitcoin)

[Zocadas]

How should they track the IP and then the coins? We just could use VPN and that would it be, wouldn't it?

[Lionel]

How should they track the IP and then the coins? We just could use VPN and that would it be, wouldn't it?

If they know the IP and if it belongs to a VPN , they can ask the VPN provider who used that IP that day, and they find you.

So you better use TOR instead of a VPN.
Maybe using TOR alone is better than VPN together with TOR (See also the first response and comments to this question: https://tor.stackexchange.com/questions/1945/tor-via-vpn-good-extra-level-of-security-or-unnecessary )

About the path of the coins, it's simple:
BTC address A (your address) => deposit to B (your BTC account on betting site) => withdraw to address C
Imagine the betting site logs these movements, so they know there's this path from address A to C. They can tell the authorities

About how they find out which IP sent coins from BTC address A... well, i think there's plenty of information about BTC being "pseudoanonymous" and not anonymous.

Example:

How is anonymity defeated?

There are basically three ways to de-anonymize Bitcoin users.

First of all, even though Bitcoin transactions are randomly transmitted over the peer-to-peer network, this system is not airtight. If an attacker, for instance, has the means to connect multiple nodes to the Bitcoin network, the combined data collected from these different nodes might be enough to determine where a transaction originated.

Source: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/is-bitcoin-anonymous-a-complete-beginner-s-guide-1447875283/

[swogerino]

Until such wallet exists and if you don't want to pay fees in a mixer service you can use a gambling website to send your deposit there. Play a single bet with minimal value like 1 mBitcoin and wait a few hours, withdraw to another address from the one you send your deposit. Keep creating as many wallets as you like and you can use this simple yet effective way of mixing your coins and getting fresh coins, fresh for you only.

Many gambling websites would not tolerate this behavior for long. They want you to actually gamble there
and lose your funds in the process and not become a partner in crime for crypto laundering.

Some operators even explicitly prohibit this kind of behavior in their terms of service.

I have done that a few times with different sport books and not one has complained. I gamble 0.0005 btc to 0.001 btc before I withdraw my money. That is the only requirement in order for me to withdraw, to place at least one minimal bet before asking to withdraw funds. I play two bets always before asking for withdrawal, if bets are wins I continue to play with my winnings.

[susila_bai]

I dont think that their is any wallet with mixer facility. but their is a coin which will clear the details and that is monero coin, which means functions is to clear the details from the wallet and enjoy it

[john2231]

I heard some wallet before but in tor network but i heard that it is not safe because your bitcoin will be gone if you clear your wallet..
Much better if you wanted to be anonymous make your new wallet and use the chipmixer to mixing your bitcoin and no one can trace your transaction..
This is the best for now that i think safe than a none safeway to become anonymous..