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September 14, 2017, 05:30:23 AM
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There was a talk regarding mixing bitcoins at Breaking Bitcoin conference in Paris last weekend.

You should find some answers and ideas there.

The presentation starts at about minute 11:00.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY-QQOjycgI

You meight also want to watch the other 2 videos with very interesting topics.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCP7NPTxVrt01-FlSiWYSzQ/videos
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September 15, 2017, 02:07:14 AM
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This is actually a good idea. I'm sure theres a way to have something like this implimented directly onto a wallet.  Smiley

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I found a few wallets like Pay Treat Bitcoin , that promise privacy in not tracking transactions, IPs and more. Could those be the solution?

   

 
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September 15, 2017, 07:14:44 PM
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I found a few wallets like Pay Treat Bitcoin , that promise privacy in not tracking transactions, IPs and more. Could those be the solution?
Looks exactly like Coinomi but with fewer coins. I wouldn't trust them. Also, a wallet not tracking transactions and IP has nothing to do with mixing coins.

OP: I just remembered that ChipMixer build an Electrum app that allows you to do all the mixing proccess inside your wallet and import the private keys automatically. Electrum didn't accepted the merge for the plugin because they were afraid of any complications with the legal system. But IIRC, they did accepted a merge that allows you to manually install the ChipMixer plugin.

Link to the plugin repo: https://github.com/chipmixer/electrum/tree/plugin/plugins/chipmixer



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October 04, 2017, 07:14:29 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1c8yb3/a_stepbystep_guide_to_creating_an_anonymous/
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October 05, 2017, 07:45:02 AM
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I found a few wallets like Pay Treat Bitcoin , that promise privacy in not tracking transactions, IPs and more. Could those be the solution?
Bitcoin, its default state, should never be considered an anonymous (or even reasonably private) monetary system. Bitcoin’s pseudonymity is tenuous at best, easily compromised by basic net surveillance. Now although Bitcoin wallets with coin control features allow you to make payments from select addresses, the way that Bitcoin wallets handles change often results in various addresses within the wallet becoming provably linked. As a result,- one identity-associated address under your control can “leak” information about your other - “unknown” addresses.
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October 05, 2017, 07:53:14 AM
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I found a few wallets like Pay Treat Bitcoin , that promise privacy in not tracking transactions, IPs and more. Could those be the solution?
Here's a good enough way for someone who wants to be anonymous and use bitcoin! https://www.expressvpn.com/internet-privacy/bitcoin-anonymity/step-by-step-guide/
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October 05, 2017, 03:29:43 PM
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A 100% anonymous Bitcoin wallet with a built in mixer services will get closed down and hunted down by governments. It

will have to be a decentralized service or operating in a country where nobody can get to it. {where it will be legal} I think

most countries still tolerate pseudo-anonymity because cash gives people the same level of anonymity.... but 100%

anonymity will never be tolerated by governments. {They will seriously start banning Bitcoin, if this is standard practice}  Huh

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It is possible, already exists and is called Monero wallet. Problem is it is not Bitcoin wallet.

Soo sad, but i wish bitcoin wallet mixer would exist someday.

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October 05, 2017, 04:05:15 PM
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It is possible, already exists and is called Monero wallet. Problem is it is not Bitcoin wallet.

Soo sad, but i wish bitcoin wallet mixer would exist someday.
Just convert bitcoin to monero and that's all, there is no need of something different. Monero is good for that as far as I know (also bitmixer.io's owner mentioned that) but I still read some posts where people say that monero isn't safe and other coins are more anonymouse than monero.
But there is no need of mixers if anything you do is ok.
I think what chipmixer offers customers is high anonimity because you have more options than other mixers but there will be still more works on anonimity and as time goes everything will redevelope.

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October 07, 2017, 12:53:30 AM
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It is possible, already exists and is called Monero wallet. Problem is it is not Bitcoin wallet.

Soo sad, but i wish bitcoin wallet mixer would exist someday.
Just convert bitcoin to monero and that's all, there is no need of something different. Monero is good for that as far as I know (also bitmixer.io's owner mentioned that) but I still read some posts where people say that monero isn't safe and other coins are more anonymouse than monero.
But there is no need of mixers if anything you do is ok.
I think what chipmixer offers customers is high anonimity because you have more options than other mixers but there will be still more works on anonimity and as time goes everything will redevelope.
Monero transactions is not anonymous ( http://www.trustnodes.com/2017/04/15/monero-transactions-usually-not-anonymous-says-new-study ) Zcash is the only one among these currencies that provides strong anonymity. For an explanation of why bitcoin is not anonymous, take a look at the recent keybase post on adopting zcash: https://keybase.io/blog/keybase-and-zcash
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I found a few wallets like Pay Treat Bitcoin , that promise privacy in not tracking transactions, IPs and more. Could those be the solution?
Looks exactly like Coinomi but with fewer coins. I wouldn't trust them. Also, a wallet not tracking transactions and IP has nothing to do with mixing coins.

OP: I just remembered that ChipMixer build an Electrum app that allows you to do all the mixing proccess inside your wallet and import the private keys automatically. Electrum didn't accepted the merge for the plugin because they were afraid of any complications with the legal system. But IIRC, they did accepted a merge that allows you to manually install the ChipMixer plugin.

Link to the plugin repo: https://github.com/chipmixer/electrum/tree/plugin/plugins/chipmixer




Thank you for the plugin link. I have to take a lot at it later. I still used mixing services like Chipmixer and Cryptomixer and "obfuscate transactions" because I really want privacy. Another option that I can only see is either Monero and Zcash. Though I haven't try to convert bitcoin to Monero though. I just used the old and reliable method of tumbling service.

I found a few wallets like Pay Treat Bitcoin , that promise privacy in not tracking transactions, IPs and more. Could those be the solution?

Looks interesting but will check it out later. I browsed around the forum and I found this link:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1761144.0

Its there ANN thread but looks like its not much update on the development of this wallet.

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October 08, 2017, 07:52:32 AM
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I found a few wallets like Pay Treat Bitcoin , that promise privacy in not tracking transactions, IPs and more. Could those be the solution?
Looks exactly like Coinomi but with fewer coins. I wouldn't trust them. Also, a wallet not tracking transactions and IP has nothing to do with mixing coins.

OP: I just remembered that ChipMixer build an Electrum app that allows you to do all the mixing proccess inside your wallet and import the private keys automatically. Electrum didn't accepted the merge for the plugin because they were afraid of any complications with the legal system. But IIRC, they did accepted a merge that allows you to manually install the ChipMixer plugin.

Link to the plugin repo: https://github.com/chipmixer/electrum/tree/plugin/plugins/chipmixer



Thank you for sharing. That would be a smarter as to import manually all keys to somewhere. I imported keys of chipmixer into mycellium. Would be great, if Electrum would go with its awesome services mobile. Also the feature with USB stick instead of hardware wallets s great.

   

 
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October 13, 2017, 07:05:56 AM
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Lol, impossible, without breaking the code. A mixer needs the TX's of other users to mix, and there is no getting that from your wallet.

A coder can make it happen pretty easy, but that is not part of the bitcoin daemon/client and is a second layer of coding over that, maybe light scripting, and that means trusting yet another total stranger, this time with your Bitcoin key pairs.
 


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