safest bets longterm in crypto omg & tenx? others?

[Bitstackerslacker]

I would love your opinions on relatively safe long term holds, not saying these are two I selected going to be huge, but obviously has the capacity to be and is almost a 90% winner long term I believe if u get in now while the price is relatively low. Do you think I'm wrong would love for someone to call me full of shit and why, also other solid long-term investments welcome for scrutiny

cheeeeeeeers 

[burdeN]

I also made a bet on TenX as well as on:
1. KMD
2. NEO
3. ADX
4. Nexus

[Bitstackerslacker]

with the volatility of Chinese government can neo be really seen as a safe bet?

And komodo need to look at white paper seems interesting

[LeancyBTC]

I think that monaco is better than TENX. They have many things to do and many assets to grow. Right now, the only obstacle is the visa. If they get approved by VISA, the price of monaco will hit the moon. Mark my words. They have 1 month to ask for the permission. Remember to follow the news.

[Bitstackerslacker]

In terms of a better product i think Tenx has way more pluses (but so did betamax, the best doesn't always win)
if interested in-depth details seen really nice video comparison here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbObaQ60GPc

Socials are alot better, Ive never seen an ico engage the public aswell as tenx do, youtube vids nearly every day twitter etc.
and comit tech could also be integrated with visa/mastercard. TenX works with "WaveCrest" a 3rd party card issuer (WaveCrest is a partner of both Visa and MasterCard). "WaveCrest" issue the card on behalf of TenX. So they are not the issuer but are supported by both.

monaco however seems to have contacts with big players, not sure tenx does but vitalik eutherum founder backing and paypal backing it...pretty huge

[Regulater]

In terms of a better product i think Tenx has way more pluses (but so did betamax, the best doesn't always win)
if interested in-depth details seen really nice video comparison here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbObaQ60GPc

Socials are alot better, Ive never seen an ico engage the public aswell as tenx do, youtube vids nearly every day twitter etc.
and comit tech could also be integrated with visa/mastercard. TenX works with "WaveCrest" a 3rd party card issuer (WaveCrest is a partner of both Visa and MasterCard). "WaveCrest" issue the card on behalf of TenX. So they are not the issuer but are supported by both.

monaco however seems to have contacts with big players, not sure tenx does but vitalik eutherum founder backing and paypal backing it...pretty huge

TenX using Wavecrest is a bad thing. Wavecrest is stopping all cards outside of European territories October 15. So they are behind on that. Also TenX has some of the worst PR. You get banned in their Slack for asking questions about wavecrest before they publicly announced, questions about their rewards, etc. If you ask TenX any actual questions and ask for a real answer not a skip around you will get banned/blocked from their facebook, twitter, slack, etc. Also TenX doesnt even know the word marketing. As the CEO has stated, he does not care about he price of Pay (TenX) at all as they have already received their funding from it. They will not do any marketing as the price means nothing to them, which means the price will never truly increase much. Also Vitalik is not really backing them, he helped them but never was a backer, they just counted that little help as backing.

Monaco has the chance at being the better card. If they can finish their Visa problem, then they will be far ahead. They have a much better PR team, much better marketing, much better everything. The only thing they are not better on, is they do not have a working product yet.  

[Bitstackerslacker]

komodo I like think will wait for price drop before i get in, seems like it needs more time to fall to be a safe invest

[Bitstackerslacker]

In terms of a better product i think Tenx has way more pluses (but so did betamax, the best doesn't always win)
if interested in-depth details seen really nice video comparison here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbObaQ60GPc

Socials are alot better, Ive never seen an ico engage the public aswell as tenx do, youtube vids nearly every day twitter etc.
and comit tech could also be integrated with visa/mastercard. TenX works with "WaveCrest" a 3rd party card issuer (WaveCrest is a partner of both Visa and MasterCard). "WaveCrest" issue the card on behalf of TenX. So they are not the issuer but are supported by both.

monaco however seems to have contacts with big players, not sure tenx does but vitalik eutherum founder backing and paypal backing it...pretty huge

TenX using Wavecrest is a bad thing. Wavecrest is stopping all cards outside of European territories October 15. So they are behind on that. Also TenX has some of the worst PR. You get banned in their Slack for asking questions about wavecrest before they publicly announced, questions about their rewards, etc. If you ask TenX any actual questions and ask for a real answer not a skip around you will get banned/blocked from their facebook, twitter, slack, etc. Also TenX doesnt even know the word marketing. As the CEO has stated, he does not care about he price of Pay (TenX) at all as they have already received their funding from it. They will not do any marketing as the price means nothing to them, which means the price will never truly increase much. Also Vitalik is not really backing them, he helped them but never was a backer, they just counted that little help as backing.

Monaco has the chance at being the better card. If they can finish their Visa problem, then they will be far ahead. They have a much better PR team, much better marketing, much better everything. The only thing they are not better on, is they do not have a working product yet.  

Intresting, however being first to market is huge, so I don't think wavecrest is a bad play even if they go through with what you said since adoption is huge, bitcoin is a shitcoin, but it was first so it been adopted heavily. I'm 100% certain if wavecrest goes away (and they dont make any deal,still seems unlikley)  tenx will have a backup to keep adoption rate. As for bad PR I find hard to believe, recently youtuber broke down the tenx reward scheme and was helped and encouraged to post video even after it was finished tenx pr posted in comments verifying and correcting aspects, really please show me bad pr here is the good pr i mentioned. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71XOXQH_l20

as for marketing what do you call daily socials across all platforms talking about your product? Marketing.

Youtube
Ten x channel 8721 subs 114 videos
Monaco channel 2260 subs 26 vids

Twitter
TenX 34.1k followers, 1130 Tweets
Monaco 18.9k followers, 189 tweets

whos marketing better/updating public better?


and please verify the claim that vitalik isn't backing them whats your source?

however in me trying to look as tenx rival as fair the big threat to it is a visa partnership, but there seems to be speculation and rumour its not happening but it may verywell happen there is alot of risk for monaco supporters right now they really need this to even compete with tenx otherwise its gunna plummet and people will loose confidence in company, it really could kill them

[alloy_token]

You can also have check on Alloy Tokens. Alloy bridges the gap between Virtual currencies and Real world Rewards (Merchandise & Services). You can link multiple reward point accounts (Loyalty, Games) & even cryptocurrencies to convert to a Local fiat and go on purchasing with that.

[Bitstackerslacker]

You can also have check on Alloy Tokens. Alloy bridges the gap between Virtual currencies and Real world Rewards (Merchandise & Services). You can link multiple reward point accounts (Loyalty, Games) & even cryptocurrencies to convert to a Local fiat and go on purchasing with that.

really like this, will checkout the tokensale for sure, not sure its a safe longterm obv before its launched tech you are literally buying an idea, but might gamble small amount just to get a foothold since i like the idea

[X-ray]

I would love your opinions on relatively safe long term holds, not saying these are two I selected going to be huge, but obviously has the capacity to be and is almost a 90% winner long term I believe if u get in now while the price is relatively low. Do you think I'm wrong would love for someone to call me full of shit and why, also other solid long-term investments welcome for scrutiny

cheeeeeeeers 

All of the platform token such as ethereum, lisk, nem or even waves token. But i was voting for the payment projects such as tenx to be the long term investment, the solidity of the team makes sense to say the tenx will have done all of the roadmap in the future.

[Regulater]

In terms of a better product i think Tenx has way more pluses (but so did betamax, the best doesn't always win)
if interested in-depth details seen really nice video comparison here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbObaQ60GPc

Socials are alot better, Ive never seen an ico engage the public aswell as tenx do, youtube vids nearly every day twitter etc.
and comit tech could also be integrated with visa/mastercard. TenX works with "WaveCrest" a 3rd party card issuer (WaveCrest is a partner of both Visa and MasterCard). "WaveCrest" issue the card on behalf of TenX. So they are not the issuer but are supported by both.

monaco however seems to have contacts with big players, not sure tenx does but vitalik eutherum founder backing and paypal backing it...pretty huge

TenX using Wavecrest is a bad thing. Wavecrest is stopping all cards outside of European territories October 15. So they are behind on that. Also TenX has some of the worst PR. You get banned in their Slack for asking questions about wavecrest before they publicly announced, questions about their rewards, etc. If you ask TenX any actual questions and ask for a real answer not a skip around you will get banned/blocked from their facebook, twitter, slack, etc. Also TenX doesnt even know the word marketing. As the CEO has stated, he does not care about he price of Pay (TenX) at all as they have already received their funding from it. They will not do any marketing as the price means nothing to them, which means the price will never truly increase much. Also Vitalik is not really backing them, he helped them but never was a backer, they just counted that little help as backing.

Monaco has the chance at being the better card. If they can finish their Visa problem, then they will be far ahead. They have a much better PR team, much better marketing, much better everything. The only thing they are not better on, is they do not have a working product yet.  

Intresting, however being first to market is huge, so I don't think wavecrest is a bad play even if they go through with what you said since adoption is huge, bitcoin is a shitcoin, but it was first so it been adopted heavily. I'm 100% certain if wavecrest goes away (and they dont make any deal,still seems unlikley)  tenx will have a backup to keep adoption rate. As for bad PR I find hard to believe, recently youtuber broke down the tenx reward scheme and was helped and encouraged to post video even after it was finished tenx pr posted in comments verifying and correcting aspects, really please show me bad pr here is the good pr i mentioned. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71XOXQH_l20

as for marketing what do you call daily socials across all platforms talking about your product? Marketing.

Youtube
Ten x channel 8721 subs 114 videos
Monaco channel 2260 subs 26 vids

Twitter
TenX 34.1k followers, 1130 Tweets
Monaco 18.9k followers, 189 tweets

whos marketing better/updating public better?


and please verify the claim that vitalik isn't backing them whats your source?

however in me trying to look as tenx rival as fair the big threat to it is a visa partnership, but there seems to be speculation and rumour its not happening but it may verywell happen there is alot of risk for monaco supporters right now they really need this to even compete with tenx otherwise its gunna plummet and people will loose confidence in company, it really could kill them

I have reviewed the video and that does not state where the .5% comes from. The interchange fee, which is their profit from transactions, is limited to .3% in European countries. Which means they will only receive .3% from all transactions in European countries, which is lower than their .5% reward. The United States is the only country with a reward above 1%, which they will not have the United States until the end of Q4 2017, beginning Q1 2018, which would require a new credit card company as Wavecrest will not offer any other country outside of Europe past October 15. TenX will not receive anything else besides a portion of the Interchange fee from transactions (a small portion of the interchange fee is actually received by Wavecrest too, so the whole .3% doesnt go to TenX). If you ask TenX support, you will receive nothing but a run around, and statements from their PR team that they also receive the percentage that Visa receives, the percentage that goes to the accepting bank, etc. Their PR team will state they receive the entire amount from each transaction when thats incorrect. The aquiring bank (where you spend your money) receives a portion, Visa receives a portion, and the issueing bank (interchange fee TenX + Wavecrest) receives a portion. Try and ask them about this in their Slack you will get banned right away if you ask for a serious answer.

The best answer they give is that the .5% is just an estimate and used to make it easy to understand, and that the true number will not be decided until the first disbursement is done.  You could receive anything, the .5% is not an actual number, read the bottom of the picture where they state the .5%.

Review the tweets from TenX, they are mostly videos which not many will watch, and bad news. TenX hasnt even publicly announced their webapp, or even the iOS app. That means there is no PR or Marketing.

Monaco, without a product does more announcements and good news than TenX has ever done. Once Monaco releases a working product you can expect a large increase in their value and them surpassing TenX marketcap. Monaco, has had greater increases in value, already is going to offer the United States off the back, etc.

Monaco does not need a Visa partnership to pass TenX, they have a contract with Wirecard awaiting card design approval from Visa. Wirecard will not be affected on October 15, as Wavecrest will.

If you truly believe a post on Twitter about TenX members being hacked, delays, etc. marketing then you do not know what marketing is. The hacking should have stayed in the Slack where the phishing was occuring, not being posted across Social media seeming like they have low quality protection and support.

[Bitstackerslacker]

I find your explanation with your grievance with the 0.5 interesting and I will ask Tenx support about this and see what answer they give since it's
definitely interesting, and don't wanna speak about it if I don't know so will update on your point soon.

As for
"Review the tweets from TenX, they are mostly videos which not many will watch, and bad news. TenX hasn't even publicly announced their webapp, or even the iOS app. That means there is no PR or Marketing."

Well, the reason they never Announced the app, they stated it in their September 5th video listed here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqX7vqvcI8A&t=880s time of your question is 22:48 - 23:15)

because they have so much demand right now, they send 2 digits worth of cards out every-day! to people. they receive 3 digits to waitlist more to their waitlist every-day! they have a backlog.  so far they have sent out a 5digits in cards to active holders and there is currently still 5 digits on wait-list at the moment.

Also in the video the big announcements, of many different card issuers, joining Tenx to increase supply and output also country out-reach so the European ban won't affect anybody because these companies are signed up and working with Tenx before Wavecrest implements the euro only rule. They also sneak peaked an announcement coming up soon that they will have the worlds first crypto credit card VERY SOON, this will be talked about on TV news and newspapers, free pr to Tenx. And that's only a piece of their next big announcement at the end of this month or beginning of next (so even if you're not a Tenx fan, money wise you should buy now and sell off later announcement will make price skyrocket)  Monaco has alot of catching up to do even before Tenx starts advertising.

Monaco needs the visa partnership to remotely compete otherwise there is no way they can regain footing in the market imo, Tenx already has a vice grip on contacts multiple card issuers and adoption,  with the plan to get their own licensed debit card and banking licence, within the year, lowering their fees even lower and having more control, whilst at the same time during the appeal process having multiple card issuers. Would be very hard for Monaco to compete with such domination, they need visa or they are fighting a hard battle.

by the way the wavecrest problem they told their fans and investors the solution  on their youtube (I was literally able to find any question I had in there youtube videos, other than the 0.5% which I will look up in future at next weekly q&a) But wavecrest was answered very well in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8gNu69AXo0&t=21s

Really the transparency and community engagement is just impressive.

[Cryptomania13]

MTL is much better than TenX or Monaco. MTL is a whole banking system not just a debit/prepaid niche.

[Bitstackerslacker]

I think it's nice, but I don't think non crypto geeks would want to adopt it, masses (mother and fathers) need to be slowly walked and drip fed crypto as a future and useable cards is a nice gateway for average people to get into crypto,  metal I think is before its time yet.

[Regulater]

I find your explanation with your grievance with the 0.5 interesting and I will ask Tenx support about this and see what answer they give since it's
definitely interesting, and don't wanna speak about it if I don't know so will update on your point soon.

As for
"Review the tweets from TenX, they are mostly videos which not many will watch, and bad news. TenX hasn't even publicly announced their webapp, or even the iOS app. That means there is no PR or Marketing."

Well, the reason they never Announced the app, they stated it in their September 5th video listed here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqX7vqvcI8A&t=880s time of your question is 22:48 - 23:15)

because they have so much demand right now, they send 2 digits worth of cards out every-day! to people. they receive 3 digits to waitlist more to their waitlist every-day! they have a backlog.  so far they have sent out a 5digits in cards to active holders and there is currently still 5 digits on wait-list at the moment.

Also in the video the big announcements, of many different card issuers, joining Tenx to increase supply and output also country out-reach so the European ban won't affect anybody because these companies are signed up and working with Tenx before Wavecrest implements the euro only rule. They also sneak peaked an announcement coming up soon that they will have the worlds first crypto credit card VERY SOON, this will be talked about on TV news and newspapers, free pr to Tenx. And that's only a piece of their next big announcement at the end of this month or beginning of next (so even if you're not a Tenx fan, money wise you should buy now and sell off later announcement will make price skyrocket)  Monaco has alot of catching up to do even before Tenx starts advertising.

Monaco needs the visa partnership to remotely compete otherwise there is no way they can regain footing in the market imo, Tenx already has a vice grip on contacts multiple card issuers and adoption,  with the plan to get their own licensed debit card and banking licence, within the year, lowering their fees even lower and having more control, whilst at the same time during the appeal process having multiple card issuers. Would be very hard for Monaco to compete with such domination, they need visa or they are fighting a hard battle.

by the way the wavecrest problem they told their fans and investors the solution  on their youtube (I was literally able to find any question I had in there youtube videos, other than the 0.5% which I will look up in future at next weekly q&a) But wavecrest was answered very well in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8gNu69AXo0&t=21s

Really the transparency and community engagement is just impressive.

If you think that youtube video is an answer to the Wavecrest issue, then you are dillusional. All that is stated is that they supposedly have another wonderful issuer that they cannot state because its so secret that many other companies want it. That is not an answer, they planned on having a new card issuer in 2018, not 2017 so i doubt they already have a new issuer. Until a name is given, they dont have an actual issuer.

[hous26]

I would love your opinions on relatively safe long term holds, not saying these are two I selected going to be huge, but obviously has the capacity to be and is almost a 90% winner long term I believe if u get in now while the price is relatively low. Do you think I'm wrong would love for someone to call me full of shit and why, also other solid long-term investments welcome for scrutiny

cheeeeeeeers 

I think they are great coins but I would look to a coin that isn't quite so pumped.  I'm not saying I would advise against buying OMG or TenX but I would diversify and not go "all-in" on them.  SC is a great coin that is cheap right now and will probably increase greatly.

[Bitstackerslacker]

After today im pretty much allin on tenx, still happy with my omisego, but tenx rn its at a price where its a steal to hodl at