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September 12, 2017, 04:04:23 PM
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I've seen a lot of people get negative trusts for buying an account, I do not think this is a crime, but people getting caught buying accounts get negative trust, can you give a reason why purchased accounts earn negative trust?

Note: I just wanted to ask, and I never bought an account Wink

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September 12, 2017, 06:09:59 PM
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What reason would you have to buy an account apart from buying reputation (essentially this is what you are doing), joining signature campaigns on multiple accounts - usually ends up with both posting bullshit, or scamming?

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September 12, 2017, 06:18:58 PM
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Account dealing on bitcointalk promotes scamming, because you can buy an account with green trust and the victim would have no idea that the current owner of the account wasn't the one who earned the trust.

Account sales also encourage spam, because  knuckleheads who can't write English buy accounts to get into sig campaigns. 

And so on.  So there are a number of us who feel strongly that it's untrustworthy behavior and leave feedback accordingly.


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September 12, 2017, 07:36:41 PM
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It's self explanatory on the rating:

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Account sales encourage different types of shady behavior (scams, spam, account farming, et al.).
There is practically nothing good that can come out of this behavior as we've seen with scammers such as Quickseller. The forum policy is flawed for whatever reason.

Those doubting the validity of the assertion should look into bounty campaign abusers (most often sold/bought accounts that were farmed). Roll Eyes


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September 12, 2017, 10:36:31 PM
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Account dealing on bitcointalk promotes scamming, because you can buy an account with green trust and the victim would have no idea that the current owner of the account wasn't the one who earned the trust.

Account sales also encourage spam, because  knuckleheads who can't write English buy accounts to get into sig campaigns. 

And so on.  So there are a number of us who feel strongly that it's untrustworthy behavior and leave feedback accordingly.
Although your points are correct in relation to a lot of bought accounts on this forum, they don't relate to every bought account. Some have great English skills and provide a good service. I think that we can all agree a newbie account with 1 post wouldn't be getting hired over a legendary member. Also, many people don't have the time to build up an account.

To add, the buying and selling of accounts is allowed on this forum. Even if it is looked down upon.
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September 13, 2017, 06:26:41 AM
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Also, many people don't have the time to build up an account.
If you don't have time to invest in this community, then go somewhere else. Stop being self-entitled and spoiled brats. A simple rule change would solve most of this forum's problems, without killing its ad revenue.

To add, the buying and selling of accounts is allowed on this forum. Even if it is looked down upon.
Which is a fundamental flaw that is pushing genuine members away.


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September 13, 2017, 06:53:13 PM
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Thanks for all of your answers, I have understood them well.
Do not get me wrong, I've said I never bought an account, I asked with the desire to add experience in this forum

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September 13, 2017, 06:59:25 PM
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Account dealing on bitcointalk promotes scamming, because you can buy an account with green trust and the victim would have no idea that the current owner of the account wasn't the one who earned the trust.

Account sales also encourage spam, because  knuckleheads who can't write English buy accounts to get into sig campaigns. 

And so on.  So there are a number of us who feel strongly that it's untrustworthy behavior and leave feedback accordingly.
Although your points are correct in relation to a lot of bought accounts on this forum, they don't relate to every bought account. Some have great English skills and provide a good service. I think that we can all agree a newbie account with 1 post wouldn't be getting hired over a legendary member. Also, many people don't have the time to build up an account.

To add, the buying and selling of accounts is allowed on this forum. Even if it is looked down upon.
Nothing is ever 100%. Sure, there could be some outstanding posters who bought accounts, but I don't know who they are.  That's rare. Most common is the use of a bought account by some lazy third world scunt who only wants to shitpost or scam. Can't tell who's who ahead of time, so I neg 'em all.  I have removed negs in the past when someone turned out to be OK--my ratings don't mean much anyway as I'm not on DT.


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September 13, 2017, 08:18:18 PM
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Thanks for all of your answers, I have understood them well.
Do not get me wrong, I've said I never bought an account, I asked with the desire to add experience in this forum
Tl;dr: If you're honest, there is absolutely no reason to buy a second account, let alone more.

Nothing is ever 100%. Sure, there could be some outstanding posters who bought accounts, but I don't know who they are.  That's rare. Most common is the use of a bought account by some lazy third world scunt who only wants to shitpost or scam. Can't tell who's who ahead of time, so I neg 'em all.  I have removed negs in the past when someone turned out to be OK--my ratings don't mean much anyway as I'm not on DT.
The amount of outstanding posters that are actually bought accounts is so low that it shouldn't even be considered if a rule change (which is badly needed) regarding account sales were to be considered.


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September 14, 2017, 12:20:45 AM
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Negative trust isn't the be all end all. It just means that a certain user doesn't trust you. I don't know why people are using trust as a basis as reputation. They are totally different things and can be abused all the same.

Buying accounts isn't against the rules, but some people believe that it's morally wrong and it leads to scamming. Therefore they can do whatever they want to say that they don't trust bought accounts. I think we can all agree that if your account is bought and you start using your rank or reputation as leverage, these things aren't representative of your real experience with bitcoin and the bitcointalk community.



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I mark them when found but since buying/selling of accounts is allowed, I give a Neutral. Others give what they feel is appropriate. 

When the subject of buying BTC with Paypal comes up, I often remember this: 

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

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September 14, 2017, 06:26:06 PM
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Thanks for all of your answers, I have understood them well.
Do not get me wrong, I've said I never bought an account, I asked with the desire to add experience in this forum
Tl;dr: If you're honest, there is absolutely no reason to buy a second account, let alone more.
Thank you for your answers and suggestions

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I mark them when found but since buying/selling of accounts is allowed, I give a Neutral. Others give what they feel is appropriate. 
i like youre mind  neutral are ok but not negative like lauda give me
i hope him understand me not scammers and removed to neutral

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September 14, 2017, 08:35:28 PM
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i like youre mind  neutral are ok but not negative like lauda give me
You are in no position to determine what is *ok* and what is not.

i hope him understand me not scammers and removed to neutral
Ditch the account, register a new one and start building it from scratch. That's the only honest way of moving forward. Your rating will likely never be voided, as I've seen with a recent case where I had previously changed it to neutral only for the situation to end up with an attempted bribe and harassment from said user. Moving forth, I'm taking an even stricter stance on all of this and anyone who supports it.1

[1] - I'm expectancy of high retaliation from Quickseller's shills & co, as this hurts their scams et. al. the most.


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September 15, 2017, 11:38:01 PM
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Bought accounts are a precursor for scams. It's as simple as that. There is always a motive for and behind buying an account. You don't simply buy an account to admire it's user name or for your "account collection". There is no collector item here.

The accounts are either used to scam and steal coins or to defraud signature campaigns. Scammers know the value of a well-aged and post-rich account. It misleads the slow-thinking and naive ones into feeling an artificial sense of trust and to conclude trades in favor of the scammer.

It is unquestionably correct to award negative trust to these bought accounts. Negative or red trust has a deterrent effect since it renders the purchased account useless and kills the very motive behind purchasing it.

DTs should please continue this practice of red-branding these shady accounts.




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September 26, 2017, 02:44:39 AM
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I've seen a lot of people get negative trusts for buying an account, I do not think this is a crime, but people getting caught buying accounts get negative trust, can you give a reason why purchased accounts earn negative trust?

Note: I just wanted to ask, and I never bought an account Wink

I was in favor to put negative trust on all accounts that are caught and proven bought because there are hidden agendas behind it on why they are buying those accounts. Mostly they will use it to scam or to cheat someone specially the newbies. This should be stop in fairness of those righteous members in this forum.

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September 26, 2017, 03:09:29 AM
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Because it can lead to scams. This might not be the reason for every person that wants to buy an account, but whatever the reason, it is also not fair to those members who have actually contributed for years to earn their ranking.

I am still new to Bitcointalk (joined less than a month ago), and I was not familiar with how rank was achieved. I thought that being a "full member" with no negative trust gave someone credibility, and because of my lack of research I was scammed. I wouldn't call myself slow-thinking, but naive ... yes.

So I agree that it is correct to give negative trust to bought accounts, and I also think people should take the time to file scam reports and give negative trust if an issue occurs. Yes, this might not deter others from doing transactions with that member, but, the warning was there.

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October 03, 2017, 11:29:49 AM
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I've seen a lot of people get negative trusts for buying an account, I do not think this is a crime, but people getting caught buying accounts get negative trust, can you give a reason why purchased accounts earn negative trust?

Note: I just wanted to ask, and I never bought an account Wink

I do not condone anybody buying or selling accounts, but can understand some people would like a better place in signature campaigns. However, far too many scammers have taken advantage of bought accounts and disappeared with vast amounts of money so it is viewed as very untrustworthy here. "Crimes" are defined by laws, bitcointalk does not define laws - they just set rules that you must abide by to use this service and you are free to go elsewhere if you do not agree with them.

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Biggest drawback for allowing buying/selling account is it encourage other people to farm accounts in order to earn decent btc amount. When we're saying farming , it's already equal to spamming since they handle a lot of accounts and they tend to post low quality contents just to gain activity points. Thanks to few DT's that managed to put red tags on account farmers, they have at least helped the forum from avoiding total spam chaos.

I would put scamming as a second reason (why buying/selling can't be supported) considering it can be avoided if you just roam/transact on the forum intelligently.
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October 04, 2017, 03:04:14 PM
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Biggest drawback for allowing buying/selling account is it encourage other people to farm accounts in order to earn decent btc amount. When we're saying farming , it's already equal to spamming since they handle a lot of accounts and they tend to post low quality contents just to gain activity points. Thanks to few DT's that managed to put red tags on account farmers, they have at least helped the forum from avoiding total spam chaos.
True.However,I feel it's also upto the campaign managers to an certain extent to accept only great quality posters so those farmed accounts wouldn't stand a chance to get accepted in any campaigns.Once they realised bought accounts have no chance,the account sell business will reduce drastically.

I would put scamming as a second reason (why buying/selling can't be supported) considering it can be avoided if you just roam/transact on the forum intelligently.
Yes account sellers often sell accounts to negative trusted members.

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