Bitcoin Town

[Prophet]

sorry for the misconception earlier, but I think you have something happening here.

Why do you need money? I figure if there are a lot of people interested you won't need money, they can build cob homes with
the help of the community, start building condensation filters to extract water from the air, create indoor grow rooms inveronmentally
designed for different temperatures to create viable crops year round.  There are over 5000 years of human history to generate
the best designs.
   In Peru they would build grow areas built in the form of steps that would have different temperatures and they would grow
all sorts of different plants in one season regardless of the plants native growth area.

[FinShaggy]

Seriously though, can I be the projects official documentary film maker. I would love to document this.

There will be no "official" documentarian. We ask that everyone document their own stories, unless they want privacy, then they have that freedom. Then we will have cameras out when projects are going on, and we will ask people that are involved in projects to record/take pictures as they do things, like building stuff, etc.

We will have websites and community YouTube channels

[FinShaggy]

sorry for the misconception earlier, but I think you have something happening here.

Why do you need money? I figure if there are a lot of people interested you won't need money, they can build cob homes with
the help of the community, start building condensation filters to extract water from the air, create indoor grow rooms inveronmentally
designed for different temperatures to create viable crops year round.  There are over 5000 years of human history to generate
the best designs.
   In Peru they would build grow areas built in the form of steps that would have different temperatures and they would grow
all sorts of different plants in one season regardless of the plants native growth area.

We need money to buy the land.

I'm not sure what a cob home is but I'll look into it. And I don't think you can get moisture from the air in New Mexico, unless you are WAY up north.

I was thinking of using geo-domes as grow houses outdoors and having them equipped with automatic sprinklers,  CO2, heaters and lights for winter growing. We will have rain water collectors, and wells.

We would be open to different growing methods, I think it would be cool to see plants growing on Earthships.

[Prophet]

a cob home is a home made out of clay and soil, extremely sturdy homes, insulate homes from the heat.

Water can be extracted from the air easily, the cob homes can create such a temperature difference that they will condense the moisture in the air and irrigate indoor plants easily, with effective construction you could make a geodome from the soil, even make ovens to make the glass panels.

[FinShaggy]

And, we are going to work together with the environment to create the ideal natural living conditions. There will be an eco-council that watches the flora and fauna each year, and they will release a decided number of certain animals and plants, then the next year they will see if anything new needs to be done to balance the eco system.

Ex:
Buy and eventually breed drangonfly eggs to be released into town ponds, to eat mosquitos and similar pests, while adding to the "enchantment" of New Mexico.

Breed and release free-range Guinea Chickens, for eggs. Also for their "watch dog" qualities, as in, Guinea chickens will alert you when someone that is not from the neighborhood, or a new animal is around. They also eat ants, TICKS & spiders. So they are pretty good animals to have around.

Put up bat houses to attract bats, as well as bird houses to attract birds. And fruit trees (and cactuses like "saguaro", which grow to be over 50 foot tall and live longer than humans) that grow well in New Mexico (like Pears, Apples & Peaches) to feed them, and so that public workers can collect food to be distributed. Bat guano can also be collected for many uses, including fertilizer. And both animals eat bugs that are pests.

We will have a rabbit farm to feed both humans and any pets, while providing fertilizer.

This is just a few of the ideas that will be presented in the videos soon, so that we can live in a near perfect eco-system. And we can sell the eggs from the dragonflies and chickens, as well as the guano from the bats and the fruit from the trees, on the internet and at market.

[FinShaggy]

a cob home is a home made out of clay and soil, extremely sturdy homes, insulate homes from the heat.

Water can be extracted from the air easily, the cob homes can create such a temperature difference that they will condense the moisture in the air and irrigate indoor plants easily, with effective construction you could make a geodome from the soil, even make ovens to make the glass panels.

Hell yeah, I'm definitely going to be looking into this stuff

[FinShaggy]

We will definitely be building cob homes

Cob, cobb or clom (in Wales) is a building material consisting of clay, sand, straw, water, and earth, similar to adobe. Cob is fireproof , resistant to seismic activity ,[1] and inexpensive. It can be used to create artistic, sculptural forms and has been revived in recent years by the natural building and sustainability movements.

I have an awesome idea. Earthships are built east to west, with the glass facing the sun rise, and usually they try to use the dirt to make a small hill facing the sunset, which is where the rainwater collection chamber usually is. But reading about Cob material, I'm thinking we can just use the sandy ground in New Mexico, dig until we hit clay or buy some, then grow some canary reed to use as straw (grows very quickly). Then just add water and we can make an extension to each house, instead of a hill facing the sunset.

It will be practical, because we plan on getting trailers to bury and use as basements (so everyone has room for mining machines), so we will probably get a backhoe to dig holes, and will have plenty of raw dirt/sand.

People could also choose to have no Earthship, but it would be good to have at least one room designed like an Earthship, just because they are like massively insulative, so if there were ever a rare cold New Mexico day, a small fire could be made (or small heater plugged in) and heat the room effectively.

[WillMilk4Coin]

You have discarded your hippie style because you are the leader of a new society. You've also clearly taken to smoking a pipe. I can only imagine what's in it.

Seriously though, can I be the projects official documentary film maker. I would love to document this.

You beat me with the documentation rights dammit, then again, he ended up throwing us both a curve ball in the end. In any case, I'm intrigued by this. Whether this individual has already collected a great deal more information that he has yet to share, is really up to debate. It may also appear that he's simply spilling this idea out on these pages as it happens in his brain, but that's not entirely a bad thing either. A good idea, is a good idea; even if it's a highdea. At least that's what my grandma used to say.

There's some merit that can be found in this. Obviously, the enticing thought of a fully sustained bitcoin market, much less a society. I think exactly that, but on a global scale, is a reoccurring wet-dream of every member here, so why not start the first step to that by making one small, fully sustained example? For the people willing to take a larger risk, and especially the skilled with something to offer, this could work out handsomely in a few years after establishment. Of course, you must also be willing to live in such conditions with some very new kinds of challenges in your daily life. Probably not a move for a family type of setup; or for yours, maybe it is. Who the hell am I to say? Perhaps there's a single, rich-bitch libertarian in New Mexico that's just been looking for a reason to buy up the 1200 acres down the road?

That said, it does look a little haphazard with how you're going about unveiling this grand design. You almost make all of this sound as easy as mixing up some cold, delicious Cherry Koolaid. While it seems you've already established the delectable entree options at ye olde restaurant, I think there's some rather large things missing from your propositions that you've seemed to have tossed up to the community to figure out.

You say; "The mission of the town is: Freedom, as guaranteed by the constitution of America," but I have to say having witnessed what that's gotten the US, I think I need to know more about how that's going to be upheld. You talk about a purely democratic process with laws being formed spontaneously as situations arise in which a judge can't rule any way based on current law. How does it take place? ....How are these laws enforced? ...........How many people will be living here?
....Are you suggesting that if 100 couples move in with 100 singles, and those couples all happen to have children under the age of 5, law is absolutely in the hands of the %51 no matter what?
....What happens when laws passed for the %51 of the first 200 don't seem appropriate for the 51% of the 1000 you've expanded to in 3 years?
.....Governmental responsibilities seems shaky. They're actually to provide anything the citizens want? Hmm.. How is the going rate figured for these services? How do they go about obtaining these products/services themselves? What if %51 want state issued hookers?
.....Is anyone allowed to come in and settle anytime? Who says when?
.....Who distributes these plots?
.....How might a person obtain more property if the entire town is distributed?
.....Does a person own their plot from the core of the earth up to as high as they can reach their hands? Do they even "own" it?
.....Would someone be allowed to purchase a vast amount of property from the get-go?
.....Does everyone have to work?
.....Will products be sold outside the US for BTC only, or other currencies accepted?
.....Is it possible you've colored yourself a target for violence on any scale, for any reason, local or domestic?
.....Is pollution on any scale acceptable?
.....What about hookers? Public nudity? Public fornication? Bestiality? Public bestiality? Public bestiality with some scat mixed in?
.....How are all these products, services, trailers, plants, solar panels, tools, tanks, hookers just somehow being there?
.....You mention "We" a great deal, are you suggesting the collective 'We', or is there some kind of institution of entities you've got hidden away in a shoe box we don't yet know about?

Please know, this isn't a dig; but a plea for more info if you've got these kinds of answers. Don't be surprised to encounter some resistance when you arrive without those kinds of data, but already have the restaurant menu and the TV station all laid out. You've got a very intriguing idea, and it is worth it's own merit. The right kind of planning with some well informed, well endowed individuals could make this real. It could also corrupt it. There may be some other markets, such as a business for example, that might be interested for one reason or another. Could be a great mutual proposition, but what's the ramifications of an arrangement with a business instead of an individual? If you're serious about this, keep plugging away at this. There could be someone with the right set of circumstances, even if you don't want to orchestrate this. This would be a pretty damn big deal.

[FinShaggy]

You have discarded your hippie style because you are the leader of a new society. You've also clearly taken to smoking a pipe. I can only imagine what's in it.

Seriously though, can I be the projects official documentary film maker. I would love to document this.

You beat me with the documentation rights dammit, then again, he ended up throwing us both a curve ball in the end. In any case, I'm intrigued by this. Whether this individual has already collected a great deal more information that he has yet to share, is really up to debate. It may also appear that he's simply spilling this idea out on these pages as it happens in his brain, but that's not entirely a bad thing either. A good idea, is a good idea; even if it's a highdea. At least that's what my grandma used to say.

Ohhhh no, don't worry. I have SO much shit written down. I have planned the perfect little society.

[FinShaggy]

You have discarded your hippie style because you are the leader of a new society. You've also clearly taken to smoking a pipe. I can only imagine what's in it.

Seriously though, can I be the projects official documentary film maker. I would love to document this.

1. That said, it does look a little haphazard with how you're going about unveiling this grand design. You almost make all of this sound as easy as mixing up some cold, delicious Cherry Koolaid. While it seems you've already established the delectable entree options at ye olde restaurant, I think there's some rather large things missing from your propositions that you've seemed to have tossed up to the community to figure out.

2.You say; "The mission of the town is: Freedom, as guaranteed by the constitution of America," but I have to say having witnessed what that's gotten the US, I think I need to know more about how that's going to be upheld. You talk about a purely democratic process with laws being formed spontaneously as situations arise in which a judge can't rule any way based on current law. How does it take place? ....How are these laws enforced? ...........How many people will be living here?

3....Are you suggesting that if 100 couples move in with 100 singles, and those couples all happen to have children under the age of 5

4. law is absolutely in the hands of the %51 no matter what?

5..What happens when laws passed for the %51 of the first 200 don't seem appropriate for the 51% of the 1000 you've expanded to in 3 years?
.....Governmental responsibilities seems shaky.

6. They're actually to provide anything the citizens want? Hmm.. How is the going rate figured for these services? How do they go about obtaining these products/services themselves? What if %51 want state issued hookers?

7.....Is anyone allowed to come in and settle anytime? Who says when?
..
8...Who distributes these plots?

9....How might a person obtain more property if the entire town is distributed?

10.....Does a person own their plot from the core of the earth up to as high as they can reach their hands? Do they even "own" it?

11.....Would someone be allowed to purchase a vast amount of property from the get-go?

12.....Does everyone have to work?

13.....Will products be sold outside the US for BTC only, or other currencies accepted?

14.....Is it possible you've colored yourself a target for violence on any scale, for any reason, local or domestic?

15.....Is pollution on any scale acceptable?

16.....What about hookers? Public nudity? Public fornication? Bestiality? Public bestiality? Public bestiality with some scat mixed in?

17.....How are all these products, services, trailers, plants, solar panels, tools, tanks, hookers just somehow being there?

18.....You mention "We" a great deal, are you suggesting the collective 'We', or is there some kind of institution of entities you've got hidden away in a shoe box we don't yet know about?

1. I have done more than figure out the restaurant, you have seen 30/100+ videos. So what you see is less than 1/3 of what I have to say over-all in the BEGINNING of this discussion, then we can get to deeper pieces of each topic. And I know it won't be as easy as "mixing Kool-Aid",

2. You misunderstood. Once a law is in place the judge can decide to rule in the same way as was voted in.

3. I am suggesting anyone move here. At first young people would be ideal, just because there will be no houses to live in when we first get there, so we will have to help each other build.

4. You should watch the videos that are already here before asking more questions, this question has been answered. We will decide what freedoms cannot be infringed on when we found the town.

5. Again, this has been discussed.

6. 1, they go about getting the stuff with public workers. The government will be a collection of "public servants". And no hookers, already said we will follow state and federal law. Please inform yourself about the project before asking more questions.

7. Yes anyone, we will let you know when we buy the land, and we will invite everyone to come see it.

8. I'll distribute them.

9. You can sell pieces of your land to people if you want, or try to buy other people's

10. They own whatever a traditional deed allows them

11. Yes

12. Only if you want to earn money or food, if you already can afford it, no you don't have to work. But we will rent places to outsiders, so they can come in to work. Because some people will not want to move to the land they buy in town, or they will have enough land to rent space to new people.

13. Yes, we will sell things online to be shipped anywhere.

14. I have not painted myself as a target for violence, there may be some internet trolls that want to fight me, but that is only because they are lazy and aging, and I am young and idealistic and travel a lot.

15. Pollution laws will be whatever they would be for a private residence anywhere else in New Mexico, unless we elect stricter policy.

16. No hookers, but again, anything allowed on a private residence anywhere else in New Mexico will be allowed, until stricter policy is voted in. And everyone will be able to choose what happens on their property.

17. They won't just "be there" we will buy what we need, and get more as we can.

18. No, I already said, there are a number of people already involved on this project. Some even in New Mexico already

[FinShaggy]

I just counted, and there are still over 150 videos to be made (meaning there will be at least 180 total). Only 30 have been made. So there is A LOT more to be discussed.

[dennydotco]

This sounds interesting. I plan to build an earthship style home in the next 5 years. Maybe Bitcointown will be the location. ha! But honestly, I'll be buying property on a small lake, so I doubt New Mexico will be the place for me.

Love the idea. I'll be watching it.

[FinShaggy]

This sounds interesting. I plan to build an earthship style home in the next 5 years. Maybe Bitcointown will be the location. ha! But honestly, I'll be buying property on a small lake, so I doubt New Mexico will be the place for me.

Love the idea. I'll be watching it.

We will have a hatchery for fishing

[FinShaggy]

3D printing: Musical instruments
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LBDt3EnVtk

[WillMilk4Coin]

I just counted, and there are still over 150 videos to be made (meaning there will be at least 180 total). Only 30 have been made. So there is A LOT more to be discussed.

Lay it on us! Looking forward to hearing more about this, mate. I have to say that you mentioned some things having been already discussed regarding some of my questions, but unless it's on another thread, I didn't catch an answer to in your videos. Such as, the considerations for repeals in such cases as majority opinions on established law changing over time, or; will there be a purchase-time determination of a limit to the physical size and/or population of Bitcointon, or might it expand indefinitely as people move? Etc .. however, as you mention, there's much more to come. I will wait patiently for my answers in due time as you release those videos.

One thing you might want to be aware of if you're doing some forecasting, is LENR. Some will call it cold fusion, but Low Energy Nuclear Reaction is probably more appropriate considering we really don't know what the hell is happening in there yet. Quite a few years out from any retail units, but even so, it would be in conflict to a fully self-sustained society as it would require a special catalyst you'd need to purchase from outside the town, unless Andrea Rossi is interested in moving to Bitcointown!? Exciting to follow if nothing else.

There's much more to know, but this idea is something I would consider. Until then,...
<insert Michael Jackson eating popcorn>

[FinShaggy]

I just counted, and there are still over 150 videos to be made (meaning there will be at least 180 total). Only 30 have been made. So there is A LOT more to be discussed.

Lay it on us! Looking forward to hearing more about this, mate. I have to say that you mentioned some things having been already discussed regarding some of my questions, but unless it's on another thread, I didn't catch an answer to in your videos. Such as, the considerations for repeals in such cases as majority opinions on established law changing over time, or; will there be a purchase-time determination of a limit to the physical size and/or population of Bitcointon, or might it expand indefinitely as people move? Etc .. however, as you mention, there's much more to come. I will wait patiently for my answers in due time as you release those videos.

One thing you might want to be aware of if you're doing some forecasting, is LENR. Some will call it cold fusion, but Low Energy Nuclear Reaction is probably more appropriate considering we really don't know what the hell is happening in there yet. Quite a few years out from any retail units, but even so, it would be in conflict to a fully self-sustained society as it would require a special catalyst you'd need to purchase from outside the town, unless Andrea Rossi is interested in moving to Bitcointown!? Exciting to follow if nothing else.

There's much more to know, but this idea is something I would consider. Until then,...
<insert Michael Jackson eating popcorn>

Appeal would be based on vote. Law can change over time, but some freedoms will be protected. We don't have a planned limit of population, we hope to grow until towns around us start doing similar things

I wouldn't want to mess with nuclear energy when we have solar energy.