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September 18, 2017, 01:12:25 AM
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The Philippine Government has declared War on DRUGS since the election of a New President sometime last year.  Many have surrendered due to fear of death while others fought the government about it.  The result is blatantly bloody. Thousand has already lost their lives,  many were widowed and children orphaned.   Today, there is at least 3,000 plus killed from police operations and another of about 4,000 due to extrajudicial killings.  A warning has already sent to all, but only a few have listened or adhere to it... To you, is killing pushers and users alike a good way to stop the proliferation of Drugs... Are you in favor of the way to fight drugs???

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September 18, 2017, 01:53:53 AM
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First, let's take a look at the results. So far, I can see that the crime rate has been reduced by a significant amount. This means that most of the criminals are either dead, or behind the bars. And therefore it will be unfair to claim that Duterte's campaign against the drugs didn't had any impact at all.

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September 18, 2017, 04:59:28 AM
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First, let's take a look at the results. So far, I can see that the crime rate has been reduced by a significant amount. This means that most of the criminals are either dead, or behind the bars. And therefore it will be unfair to claim that Duterte's campaign against the drugs didn't had any impact at all.
War on Drugs isn't  a bad idea. The only problem is that those in power take advantage of it. In the Philippines, those who has position tends to kills those small time drugs pushers and users to protect their names and blame the government. It was devastating to know that even the youth are subjected to drugs. And extrajudicial killing must have reservations.

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September 18, 2017, 07:47:04 AM
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The Philippine Government has declared War on DRUGS since the election of a New President sometime last year.  Many have surrendered due to fear of death while others fought the government about it.  The result is blatantly bloody. Thousand has already lost their lives,  many were widowed and children orphaned.   Today, there is at least 3,000 plus killed from police operations and another of about 4,000 due to extrajudicial killings.  A warning has already sent to all, but only a few have listened or adhere to it... To you, is killing pushers and users alike a good way to stop the proliferation of Drugs... Are you in favor of the way to fight drugs???
For me I am ok with War on drugs to stop the crime in our nation , a lot of people destroy their future because of drugs, thats why i support our current president of the philippines because he is so pushy to stop it.
and I hope we will support him.
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September 18, 2017, 08:00:32 AM
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First, let's take a look at the results. So far, I can see that the crime rate has been reduced by a significant amount. This means that most of the criminals are either dead, or behind the bars. And therefore it will be unfair to claim that Duterte's campaign against the drugs didn't had any impact at all.

Indeed war on drugs are what the Philippines needed because in this country many people are addicted to drugs but that extrajudicial killing are made by the cops or police that are taking advantage of the scene. Some are killed because they have to protect themselves from being caught or shown to the public and some are killed to keep silent. There are advantage and disadvantage to this issue so I suggest the government should properly investigate those people who are protecting the syndicate.
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September 19, 2017, 08:40:51 PM
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I don't believe that all the killings are made by the presiden's order. You can't remove the fact that evem his enemies can conduct extra judicial killings and blame them in his war on drugs. If you look at the surveys being made, a lot of the regular masses see this war to be effective. The president's rstigs are still high. That means people are feeling the effects of this war differently from how it's being shown in mainstream media
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September 19, 2017, 08:42:46 PM
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To you, is killing pushers and users alike a good way to stop the proliferation of Drugs...

No, those addicts will just multiply and there's no way to stop them by killing them. Try to make a project that will enhance their way of living and they'll stop drugs.



Are you in favor of the way to fight drugs???

I'm in favor of the battle against drugs but I'm against extra judicial killings.


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September 20, 2017, 02:01:43 AM
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Is there really an extra judicial killings ? or theres bunch of planted crimes ? the philippines wants  a peaceful country with zero drugs at the streets and some politicians and druglords dont want it .. killings are made but not all by policemen if they killed some criminals let it be than they be kill.. some killings were the result of drug of war but not by police .. some of them are killed by other drug lords because they want them too shut and stay safe for themselves

   
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September 20, 2017, 02:05:57 AM
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I don't believe that all the killings are made by the presiden's order. You can't remove the fact that evem his enemies can conduct extra judicial killings and blame them in his war on drugs. If you look at the surveys being made, a lot of the regular masses see this war to be effective. The president's rstigs are still high. That means people are feeling the effects of this war differently from how it's being shown in mainstream media

From what I've understood, the crime rate has declined by a lot in the Philippines ever since Duterte came to power. In a third world nation such as Philippines, that is one of the most important priorities for the middle-class and lower-class people. Because poor people are disproportionately affected by violent crime. That is the reason why Duterte's ratings are remaining at high levels.

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September 20, 2017, 05:39:09 AM
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Killing drug user and pusher cant really change alot on this drug on war because they are just another victim of a bigger scale drug cartel or syndicate in the country. I think Pres. Duterte just need to targer these bigger people behind these drug trade. Theres alot of politicians behind it we juat need to find those and expose it on public.

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September 21, 2017, 06:45:28 PM
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In this situation are they going after the big drug dealers, or the more local distributors, or the actual users of the drugs?
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September 22, 2017, 02:07:50 AM
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Killing drug user and pusher cant really change alot on this drug on war because they are just another victim of a bigger scale drug cartel or syndicate in the country. I think Pres. Duterte just need to targer these bigger people behind these drug trade. Theres alot of politicians behind it we juat need to find those and expose it on public.

Do you think that he is not targeting the kingpins? From what I have heard, a number of major drug lords have been arrested and put behind bars. Some have been murdered, including a few with good political connections. And a third group is said to have escaped to the neighboring nations such as Thailand and Cambodia to escape from the war.

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September 22, 2017, 02:19:41 AM
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Eversince the election for president in the philippines , duterte said that if wins in presidential election philippines will be bloody. And when president duterte won , the drugs lords , pushers and users of illegal drugs continues to die because of what the president wants to. Even if he kills all the pushers and users of illegal drugs that won't stop the illegal drugs in the country. He only reduces the pushers and users of it. And i think even if he finishes his term as president of the republic of the philppines. Illegal drugs will be still to continue.

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September 22, 2017, 02:41:54 AM
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The Philippine Government has declared War on DRUGS since the election of a New President sometime last year.  Many have surrendered due to fear of death while others fought the government about it.  The result is blatantly bloody. Thousand has already lost their lives,  many were widowed and children orphaned.   Today, there is at least 3,000 plus killed from police operations and another of about 4,000 due to extrajudicial killings.  A warning has already sent to all, but only a few have listened or adhere to it... To you, is killing pushers and users alike a good way to stop the proliferation of Drugs... Are you in favor of the way to fight drugs???

If given a serious thought about it, there can be an argument or a world wherein we can have a war on drugs but not have the same number of casualties. However, with the prodding of the President the one who is tasked to protect us is the one doing the killinngs and it is scary to think about.

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September 22, 2017, 07:57:24 AM
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First, let's take a look at the results. So far, I can see that the crime rate has been reduced by a significant amount. This means that most of the criminals are either dead, or behind the bars. And therefore it will be unfair to claim that Duterte's campaign against the drugs didn't had any impact at all.
Did you even consider the moral implications of what you said?
Long term implications? Its not like criminality is genetic, and will get wiped out.
Civilisation is made on due process, and will collapse without it.

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September 22, 2017, 09:16:50 PM
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First, let's take a look at the results. So far, I can see that the crime rate has been reduced by a significant amount. This means that most of the criminals are either dead, or behind the bars. And therefore it will be unfair to claim that Duterte's campaign against the drugs didn't had any impact at all.
Did you even consider the moral implications of what you said?
Long term implications? Its not like criminality is genetic, and will get wiped out.
Civilisation is made on due process, and will collapse without it.
I agree. Though due process sometimes becomes a benefit for wealthy people. The small ones in society almost always gets trodden over. I think what's better is to have a solid justice system with strong, honest people to reinforce it.

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September 23, 2017, 09:01:24 AM
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The Philippine Government has declared War on DRUGS since the election of a New President sometime last year.  Many have surrendered due to fear of death while others fought the government about it.  The result is blatantly bloody. Thousand has already lost their lives,  many were widowed and children orphaned.   Today, there is at least 3,000 plus killed from police operations and another of about 4,000 due to extrajudicial killings.  A warning has already sent to all, but only a few have listened or adhere to it... To you, is killing pushers and users alike a good way to stop the proliferation of Drugs... Are you in favor of the way to fight drugs???

How can you say that the 4,000 cases are extrajudicial killings if those are still on investigation? Haven't it occurred to you that most of those deaths are caused by bigger drug lords trying to eliminate competition and getting rid of rats? Significant drop on crime rates means the war on drugs is effective, collateral damages will always be there but the ends justifies the means. You mentioned 3000+ killed on police operations, they had it long coming.
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November 18, 2017, 04:38:20 AM
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First, let's take a look at the results. So far, I can see that the crime rate has been reduced by a significant amount. This means that most of the criminals are either dead, or behind the bars. And therefore it will be unfair to claim that Duterte's campaign against the drugs didn't had any impact at all.
Did you even consider the moral implications of what you said?
Long term implications? Its not like criminality is genetic, and will get wiped out.
Civilisation is made on due process, and will collapse without it.

What I said was that crime rate has been reduced.

And there are two reasons for that. The first reason is that many of the criminals have been put behind the bars. The second reason is that some of the criminals (who refused to surrender) were shot dead by the police. Now I am also concerned with the second point. Obviously, some of the killings were not justified, given the state of affairs of the Philippines police. But desperate times need desperate measures and I don't think that Duterte had any other option. 

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November 18, 2017, 04:41:17 AM
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The Philippine Government has declared War on DRUGS since the election of a New President sometime last year.  Many have surrendered due to fear of death while others fought the government about it.  The result is blatantly bloody. Thousand has already lost their lives,  many were widowed and children orphaned.   Today, there is at least 3,000 plus killed from police operations and another of about 4,000 due to extrajudicial killings.  A warning has already sent to all, but only a few have listened or adhere to it... To you, is killing pushers and users alike a good way to stop the proliferation of Drugs... Are you in favor of the way to fight drugs???
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November 18, 2017, 04:55:26 AM
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About the war on drugs don't blame the Pres.or the govenrment about it blame your self if you are a drug user or drug pusher. You will not kill if you follow the simple rule of the new government.
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