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September 28, 2017, 05:46:52 PM
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Looks like there is still panic and uncertainty among Chinese traders and miners which suggest that we might hit another round of dump really soon. When government will announce official ban on crypto mining than all china based mining farm will shut down with huge loss and they might start to sell their mining rigs for really cheap prices and they might also dump all bitcoin they have just after the official announcement.

I am still expecting a huge dump before all this uncertainty settles down. 
I like this prospect. I'm happy to buy their cheap equipment. But I think that this will not happen. It seems to me that this is fake news to cause a panic and buy up cheap bitcoins. Even if we assume that China will ban the production of the Chinese take out this equipment to Russia. They have long been hosted in the far East.
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September 29, 2017, 04:22:18 AM
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I hope that they start to sell the mining rigs cheap before the baning. That way people could start mining in other countries before the ban.
But how they gonna send those huge machines outside china, shipping cost will be really high but if they do so than bitcoin mining will be more decentralized and market will be quite stable.

Right now china owns larger portion of mining, which country can still be suitable for mining considering low cost electricity and crypto friendly government?  Huh
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September 29, 2017, 08:43:24 AM
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I hope that they start to sell the mining rigs cheap before the baning. That way people could start mining in other countries before the ban.
But how they gonna send those huge machines outside china, shipping cost will be really high but if they do so than bitcoin mining will be more decentralized and market will be quite stable.

Shipping will happen as it does in any other business. If there is demand for it, the cost of shipping will be paid. Bitmain ships miners all over the world currently. You think it's difficult for Chinese companies to export products?

Anyway, there were rumors circulating that smaller miners were offloading their equipment, but the situation has calmed down. Jihan Wu seems unconcerned, and Bitmain is still offering miners for USD as well as various cryptocurrencies. They even just added some new crypto payment methods like BCH. Charlie Lee says the rumors about banning mining are BS.

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September 29, 2017, 01:42:31 PM
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The government in China has certain goals on why they do what they do.
First of all they want to keep money in the country and strengthen their economy.
Mining bitcoins contributes to that goal. The mined coins can be sold, even abroad, and the money flows back into the country.
I think as well that even if the mining power based in China breaks away, bitcoin might become a bit slower, but far away from not functional anymore.

Absolutely no way that China will ban mining.

As you point out, mining is not an effective way to move capital abroad (to subvert China’s capital controls), because for every $1 invested in mining, more many more dollars in value are returned which extracts value from abroad. Mining is net inflow of capital to China.

China mainly wanted to shut down rampant speculation and the ability for people to convert Yuan to BTC easily and take the capital out of China. ICOs were siphoning capital out of China and into the pockets of scammers. The elite in every country will not allow a bunch of script kiddies to take $billions of the domestic economies those elite control.

After China’s election in October, some are speculating that China will reinstate BTC exchanges with more stringent regulations on KYC, AML, and limits on volume for different levels of KYC compliance per user. The BTC trading ban was probably a “saving face” political show of force before the upcoming Communist Party congress. It’s to show the party hasn’t lost control (remember in Asia saving face is critical, even if the reality is different).

China will not let ICOs to come back, except in some registered form similar to what Overstock/TZero is proposing, which has the downsides documented at that link. The get-rich-quick, free-for-all, pumpy dumpy ICO era is ending. So this question is will this drag proof-of-work issued coins down also? PoW-issued are not securities, but the ICO craze has driven a lot of money into our ecosystem and especially by China last winter 2016 when markets often go on holiday in West.

I’m expecting BTC to rebound because everyone is so pessimistic. However, it appears that Australia, South Korea and others are banning ICOs also, so perhaps we’ve already topped out (see linked chart)? Yet looking at the price action since South Korea announced an intention to ban ICOs yesterday, appears the markets are shrugging it off, at least Bitcoin. If we have another move out of alts into BTC, that will then signal another move up for alts since they tend to lag BTC on the way up. Someone has said volume has been weak on this rise (I did not confirm it), so is this caution that will return to FOMO fever or are we in a deadcat bounce?

Seems the ICOs such as NEO are getting very strong recoveries, so perhaps the FOMO market is going to stick out their middle finger to the regulators and dare them to actually delist tokens in many major nations. Perhaps the party won’t be over until the fat lady sings?

Also I still ponder if we have the possibility of a massive theft of SegWit transactions event on the horizon with LTC and BCH being the potential benefactors. This theory says BTCSegWit will collapse in price and then BCH, LTC and Satoshi’s original BTC protocol will rise up. This would be massive chaos in addition to the ICO bans coming and the SegWit2X split.

Frankly this is very difficult to analyse but it appears very chaotic and very risky. Yet that is probably the time to buy. Has maximum fear of an ICO implosion already been priced in? Perhaps we need the SEC and Australia and others take enforcement actions against ICOs before we see the worst of the selloff? Or those enforcement actions could come gradually and the market transitions and shrugs it off?

Can any one offer some sober and well reason points that don’t just attack me for fringe viewpoints when in fact I have routinely ended up being proven correct over time. Remember when I was shouting to buy LTC at 0.006 BTC (and less than $10) and then LTC did exactly what I said going to $50, correcting, then going to $75+.

Charting seems to indicate that LTC and BCH could triple, but we could have significant declines interim. Increasing volatility seems to be the only constant factor.

Thoughts? (please everyone be respectful of each other, this is not a boxing ring)

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If the DOW closes below Armstrong's number of 21431, I'll be selling more crypto.

Martin Armstrong is stating (to paid subscribers) that either DJIA solidifies above 21000, else we could have a SLINGSHOT correction, that initiates a blastoff to new ATHs above 27000+. Either way, the 27000+ level will be breached over the next year or two. I agree crypto has a related pattern, that we either bottom here above $3000, else we could see a SLINGSHOT correction much lower, but in either case crypto is headed much higher over the next year or two. However, the composition of which tokens gain and lose could change significantly with the banning (forced delisting on exchanges) of unregistered ICO issued tokens underway already in several nations and the uncertainty over which fork of BTC will win.

So MA is thinking maybe a peaking on DJIA at 22463 and decline in the week Oct. 2 or Oct. 16. If crypto is macroeconomically correlated (something about risk assets?), so perhaps BTC is going to reassault $5100 before a drawnout correction?



LTCBTC appears to me to be in a bullish triangle (wedge) preparing for a massive breakout to the upside over next months. 0.01 is the resistance of the triangle, which has been rock solid. We’d need to have seen lower lows on LTCBTC in order to be in a bearish mode, but we haven’t. Our minimum upside was 0.03 BTC which has not been achieved yet.

Also thus far this correction is less severe than the 2013/4 crash. That Mt.Gox driven flash crash caused BTCUSD to decline more than 60% and LTCUSD more than 80%. So far on this correction, BTCUSD only declined 40% and LTCUSD only 60%. So possibly we might have another leg up still or at least rising back to a double-top.

If we still have to see the original predictions of $1500 and $150 for LTC and BCH, then that would put BTC topping out at 0.03 - 0.05 w.r.t. to LTC so BTC reaching no higher than ~$5000. Perhaps BTC will double-top in the $5100s which was my original top price.

BCHUSD and BCHBTC have a similar bullish wedge pattern as LTCBTC (whereas LTCUSD has a similar blowoff topping pattern as BTC). This indicates a possibility that BTC and LTC are moving towards their tops, and then BCH will lag and rise magnificiently. Which coincides with the fanatical theory about BTCSegWit dying a fiery death. If BCH went to $1500 while BTC declined to $3000, that would a 5X gain in BCHBTC.
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September 29, 2017, 03:09:17 PM
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I hope that they start to sell the mining rigs cheap before the baning. That way people could start mining in other countries before the ban.
But how they gonna send those huge machines outside china, shipping cost will be really high but if they do so than bitcoin mining will be more decentralized and market will be quite stable.

Right now china owns larger portion of mining, which country can still be suitable for mining considering low cost electricity and crypto friendly government?  Huh
lol I agree, the rigs will be on sale offshore or it will just become a bunch of trash, I'm here ready to buy all those rigs for my mining purpose and it's good for the stability of blockchain network.
how many years china has the dominance in this field and now it will be gone soon.

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September 29, 2017, 09:52:32 PM
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Very bad for china if their goverment say mining is illegal, they wil be only loosers because it means saying goodbye forever to bitcoin and crypro. For me this means saying no to future development in one of the main part of virtual world.
I think they won't ban mining, theyvjust want to stop using of bitcoin in their country to avoid many illegal activities. (no pay = no job).
Think twice before you start business in china if you have such goverment.
When you have such an authoritative over you it is almost impossible to make long term plans that is what at the end makes those countries fall, then they begin to nationalize business, not realizing that these measures only hasten their own demise eventually no foreign investment comes to their countries and that is when they get paranoid that the world is out to get them, when they are the ones destroying their countries.
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September 29, 2017, 10:03:48 PM
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Haha, very eloquently put by mr Yang, such is Chinas dominance in bitcoin mining that there would be such a huge shock to the bitcoin economy if this happened  Shocked

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September 30, 2017, 02:07:52 AM
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Bitcoin is gonna be in trouble if crazy news like a mining ban happens
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September 30, 2017, 03:08:21 AM
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Bitcoin is gonna be in trouble if crazy news like a mining ban happens

I also see that it will just be a temporary dent in the market if the Chinese government really bans bitcoin mining. But rest assured that the market will recovered once again if such scenario's happen. Other countries would also take over the mining business like Japan. They would invest millions of dollars for sure, because they are the only country that legalizes it so far. Its also good to see the mining monopoly of the Chinese move to another country or nation. They have so far dominated it, and it would be really nice it another country in the Middle East and one in Asia will fill the void that the China would have left.









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September 30, 2017, 03:57:45 AM
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This looks like a public, self-criticism, which is what China wants to hear, that they are in control, even if technically they are not. Smart move, Smart move

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September 30, 2017, 03:59:49 AM
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This looks like a public, self-criticism, which is what China wants to hear, that they are in control, even if technically they are not. Smart move, Smart move

technically, they can't control. That is the best part. =)
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October 01, 2017, 04:56:34 PM
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Governments are powerless in trying to stop any activity which is profitable.   As fast as they lock someone up another will continue the task.   This cat is out of the bag and it's not going back in.


If bitcoin activity takes on higher risk that will only mean the rewards will be higher.   Drugs, firearms, gold, software, oil, fiat cash, try to make the movement of any of them illegal and you guarantee higher demand and profit until the markets reaches a new equilibrium.
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October 02, 2017, 02:01:20 AM
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That will surely result into huge fall and would take time for us to recover again. If country like Japan will takeover the mining, it will take long before everything goes back to normal not unless they will move quickly. Hope China government won't do such thing as we are near to holiday season where we really need fiat.
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October 04, 2017, 03:41:02 AM
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Looks like there is still panic and uncertainty among Chinese traders and miners which suggest that we might hit another round of dump really soon. When government will announce official ban on crypto mining than all china based mining farm will shut down with huge loss and they might start to sell their mining rigs for really cheap prices and they might also dump all bitcoin they have just after the official announcement.

I am still expecting a huge dump before all this uncertainty settles down. 

I hope that they start to sell the mining rigs cheap before the baning. That way people could start mining in other countries before the ban.
Japan is beginning to manufacture their own mining rigs and another country that I do not remember at the moment, so if China bans bitcoin mining after that then it is not going to be such a big deal, besides they could sell their mining rigs but not use it themselves if China gets to that point, but I do not think they are going to do that since they will make a great disservice to themselves with that policy.
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October 04, 2017, 03:51:40 AM
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Why would we be fucked?

The fun thing about Bitcoin is that lives beyond borders. Mining can be conducted anywhere. Chinese mining operations will pick up and move across the border. You'll barely notice...seriously.

Seriously, why are you worried? Why are we fucked?
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October 04, 2017, 05:32:38 AM
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Why would we be fucked?

The fun thing about Bitcoin is that lives beyond borders. Mining can be conducted anywhere. Chinese mining operations will pick up and move across the border. You'll barely notice...seriously.

Seriously, why are you worried? Why are we fucked?

exactly. ViaBTC has already plans to relocate their exchange overseas. I'm sure that pools are simply going to be relocate to another city if China does ban mining, which is completely unconfirmed news right now. There is really nothing to talk about.

It's actually better for bitcoin, as it makes bitcoin mining a bit more decentralized in a way.

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October 04, 2017, 05:37:20 AM
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Despite the fact that its dumb for China to look into that direction and ban mining, its is even more dumber for ViaBTC CEO to have come out and announce such important weakness to the whole world because even if the Chinese authority are not looking into that direction, it then means there is a place to be exploited and he shown them the route to make that a possibility.  Any country can go extreme length in an extreme situation and when the pressure in high, banning mining might be the least action they would consider.
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October 04, 2017, 06:04:30 AM
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Why would we be fucked?

The fun thing about Bitcoin is that lives beyond borders. Mining can be conducted anywhere. Chinese mining operations will pick up and move across the border. You'll barely notice...seriously.

Seriously, why are you worried? Why are we fucked?

yes, but not without costs. viabtc was a front for bitmain, and bitmain has invested massively into mining farm infrastructure in china. mining operations will move across the border, but the cost is a matter of scale. a casual miner that needs to sell a few rigs is nothing. bitmain is another matter entirely. i think his comment was aimed at chinese miners -- and particularly industrial miners -- not bitcoiners in general.

i think there was also some fear about a huge drop in hashrate (and subsequent escalation in block time/congestion on the network) if the government followed through with the ban. naturally, it takes time to move and or/sell equipment; it wouldn't be an overnight process. and i'm sure that bitmain profits from cheap, skilled chinese labor. that also can't be replaced overnight, and accordingly, there could be a vacuum left in the chip manufacturing industry.

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October 04, 2017, 10:40:32 AM
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Is there any confirmation with this news? First of all, china doesn't own all mining companies in the world, and we are now used to this situation, that is, china is out of the picture, if they really do not have any trust in bitcoin, let us just, let them live with it, if they would illegalize mining, it will just be on their country, not around the world, and this time, there will be no effect on the price bitcoin if they do so, since the chinese investors already sold out there bitcoins, this is because of the banning of exchange and bannin of bitcoin. I think we should also recognize other countries that have miners, they are still mining and earning profit, we should just not mainly focus on china, they do not control bitcoin.
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October 04, 2017, 05:00:59 PM
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Here,the word we means only the miners and not all of us.If china bans bitcoin mining,then it is only the miners who have to worry about their future and not us since it will not affect us in any way.Even it would have an effect over the confirmation time of bitcoins only temporarily and as bitcoin mining starts to spread world wide,then it would soon get solved.

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